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Thanks for agreeing that my last post is correct. Here is the last sentence of it:
Jesus is not the Father which doesn't prove He isn't YHWH.
It doesn't prove he isn't YHWH--YHWH said to my Lord( Jesus) proves it. As well-John 20:17, Rev 3:12, 2Cor 1:3, Col 1:3, Eph 1:3, 1Pet 1:3 proves he is not YHWH as well-YHWH is the only true God--God does not have a God. Jesus does.
e v e
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this world and its important folk are not of Him..this world is not His...
I didn't know this and it hurts very much to hear it..
what a horror... and so many horrors there are today..
the depravity of the soulless satanic realm is beyond horrific....
the jab injuries, children trafficked, and many horrible things...
the best seems to be to do the things one has to do but on automate
and only if forced, then render to caesar -
since a prisoner cannot be blamed
You haven't proved how.
John 20:17--Jesus has a God--God does not have a God-YHWH(Jehovah) is God, thus is not Jesus.
e v e
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Further,
though I do not know the full story on JW (which I think you are?) the hesitance to enter medical treatments
has now hit me hard after seeing the lying Big Pharma collusion with govt. over the poison jab.
and now, hopefully I would never ever need a transfusion..
because the blood supply will be, if it is not already, tainted by mRNA= modified RNA blood.
I feel so horrible for the vaccine injured... which I did not add to the previous list
of satanic crimes going on....
Thomas properly referred to the Lord Jesus as "my God" in just 11 verses later.
By the way, this shows that Thomas was a worshiper of Jesus.
John 20:28
In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” (NWT)
The Watchtower: Only an inferior, a worshiper, can refer to another as "my God." (The Trinity—Should You Believe It?, February 1, 1984, page 5).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984081
Jesus taught-The one who sent him=Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--Who do you follow? Jesus or Thomas. And since Thomas statement contradicts Jesus' truth, then there is an alternate meaning with Thomas' statement. Not to even mention Thomas was confused to start with. I believe Thomas looked to heaven saying-My God. That he was accepting the true God. I know trinitarians will not believe that. But then they have no explanation Why Thomas statement contradicted Jesus' truth. Truth does not contradict itself. hidden meaning or one twisting what is said causes the real contradiction. Best to believe Jesus.
approved of what Thomas referred to Him as..."my God."
Rockson
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Except let's look at what Thomas said. The scripture doesn't say he looked up to heaven when he said this. You're making that up and adding it in the text. The bible would not have been quite on this matter. There are times with Jesus it's actually recorded he looked up to heaven and prayed or addressed God the Father in Heaven. Here they are,
And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all. Mark 6:41
And another time,
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: John 17:1
Do you see anywhere where Thomas did this? No. You've willfully chosen to inject it into the text though. It's clearly not there. And not only this......he did not just say MY God. In your statement I put in the quote box up above I notice you didn't put down the full statement. What he said was, "My Lord and My God!" Are we to believe he kept his eyes on Jesus as his Lord, and said "My Lord" and he swung his neck to look upwards and said, My God meaning to the Father in Heaven? I think we need to get real and KNOW it was one statement made directly to Jesus. Again no reference to his looking up to heaven to say anything and I've shown in the verses above when Jesus did this it's recorded he did so. Mk 6:41....John 17: 1 Thomas didn't. We must conclude therefore He was calling Jesus, God.
Here is Paul warning all other Gods are false then names only the Father as God-1Cor 8:5-6--Jesus does the same-warns the other Gods are False then names only the Father as the God to be worshipped by the true followers.-John 4:22-24--Reality.
Jesus was 100% clear-( John 17:3)The one who sent him = Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.) Who do you follow? Jesus or Thomas. He was wrong if he called Jesus God otherwise Jesus lied, and we know Jesus didnt lie. You have 1 witness, Here is another witness who backs Jesus= Paul at 1 Cor 8:5-6--Starts by warning other gods are false then names only the Father as God.
The same Greek word for "worship" above is properly used in reference to the Lord Jesus in John 9:38--Biblical Reality.
Rockson
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So why didn't Jesus reproof him and rebuke him? That would have been a pretty big correction Jesus would have had to make. Not only that Jesus must have known what the future Bible would look like. That would have been the absolute perfect place to make it clear that he wasn't God by correcting Thomas. He didn't. Tell us then that Thomas was right.
That Greek word has 5 different meanings. Error is worship to one who has a God like Jesus does. Obeisance to a king is the appropriate usage of that Greek word for Jesus.
I believe Thomas either looked to heaven saying My God, or was accepting Jesus as Lord, and accepting the true God as his God.
Rockson
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Well I have shown you in my post # 31 that Mark 6:41 , John 17:1 records when Jesus looked up to heaven and prayed it's put down that way. and we don't see Thomas do that.....but now you're saying OR.....he was accepting Jesus as Lord but not really as the true God? Well I suppose I could keep saying to you it all seems like one clear statement to Jesus it's only 5 words, My Lord and my God, and there's not even the slightest indication it's anything different than directly spoken to him but I guess if you're not going to accept it you're not going to accept it. I consider that most unfortunate. I don't believe however your position is valid and seems nonsensical to me.
civic
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yep
