Ephesians 2:8 salvation is the gift

Ephesians 2:4-10 (NKJV) 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
God loves us so much… He tells us so in John 3:16. It is by His all-sufficient grace and mercy that we are saved when we faithfully believe in Christ Jesus.

John 3:16 (NKJV) “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

— selah
 
@JLB
The faith we receive when we hear the Gospel is the faith that comes from God, as a gift.

When we hear the faith from God comes to us, and is now our faith; His faith we received as a gift.
Your first statement truly makes little to no biblical sense, and you provided no source to drawn from to help us see exactly what you are attempting to convey with your statement. How does one receive from God faith, and that faith not come through grace alone? Does this faith you are speaking about come to all equally, and through the same means and method equally, after all men of God are not equally gifted to proclaim truth, as Paul, and Apollos and other were, not even close.

Acts 18:27​

“And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:”

The power to believe comes through grace alone, and not by the flesh, but by the new man within each child of God that had first been quickened to life by the Spirit of God on the behalf of their surety, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ by his perfect life of obedience and faith, secured their gift of eternal life, which the new birth is the occasion of vitally imparting that free gift secured by two immutable acts of God...his holy oath (his faithfulness) and his promises of grace to the seed of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 6:14-18~"For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:"
When we act in obedience to what we hear, then our faith we received from Him is activated to produce the intended divine result, whether healing, salvation, justification, the constructing of an Ark….
While I can find sources in the scriptures supporting some of what you are saying,(healing building an Ark, etc.,) but none to support this is a regenerating sense, or, salvation from sin and condemnation. For the flesh on its own has no power to do spiritual acts pleasing to God, that's impossible. This is not my personal opinion, but God's testimony of a biblical truth.

Romans 8:7,8​

“Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 7:18​

“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.”

If we act in obedience, then it is because one are already in the Spirit and have the power to do so. which was freely given by God's grace on the behalf of Jesus Christ per Ephesians 2:8.
If it is the Gospel we hear, then we must obey the word repent. This is called obeying the gospel.
Sir, only a regenerate child of God's grace can do so, our flesh, which is all one has before being regenerated by God's Spirit, is without spiritual strength with power to do spiritual acts pleasing to God ~ and after we are born again and began to grow in grace and knowledge of teh truth, we then even clearer we see another law working in our flesh, keeping us from doing the will of God as our new nature desires to do, this war fare will never ends until we are free from this body of sin and death.
 
And THIS not of yourselves does not point to faith, as correctly stated above.
(or it would be in the feminine).

So it could either point to SALVATION,,,,
BUT
salvation is ALSO in the feminine.

Or it could point to the GROUP, which would be in the masculine....l
The group consists of all that is mentioned:
GRACE
FAITH
SALVATION

To say nothing of the fact that FAITH is part of SALVATION,,,,

AT Robertson has HIS opinion.
Other Greek scholars do not agree with him...
nor does the actual language used.
It's funny when I called Robertson out on his misuse of Greek grammar concrrning James 2:14, all the Calvinists were stunned and aghast that I would do such a thing. Their idol was toppled and overthrown before their very eyes.
 
It's funny when I called Robertson out on his misuse of Greek grammar concrrning James 2:14, all the Calvinists were stunned and aghast that I would do such a thing. Their idol was toppled and overthrown before their very eyes.
Yes sir.
Members tend to pick and choose which verses they like....
Robertson will be accepted for SOME verses,,,but not for others!
 
How is it possible that a man can receive a letter from someone, take one sentence from the middle of the letter, separate it from the rest of the letter, and then expect to understand the message of the letter? It is not possible to do so. Even in nature it is known that a child cannot understand the message of it's mother, unless he considers "ALL" of her message. A person can not make a cake unless they abide be by all of the instruction teaching how to make the cake. A man cannot know the rules of the roads they drive on, unless they consider "ALL" of the instructions.

And yet, when it comes to theology or the differing religious philosophies of this world, like Armenian vs Calvinism or Pharisees vs. Sadducees, etc., etc., etc., this is the very foundation of their tradition. Each religious sect or business selecting certain parts of the message of God, separating it from, even omitting, the rest of the message, then breaking it down word for word with the Greek and Hebrew definitions, and then creating entire doctrines and philosophies based on their understanding of this one sentence.

Christ, The Holy One of Israel, knowing the deceiver would use this tactic to deceive, pointed this out in the very first 3 books of His Inspired Word, AKA "The Holy Scriptures".

Here we have an example of "another voice", other than Christ, who existed in the garden the Christ placed Adam and Eve in, who professed to know God, and even quoted "some" of God's Word.

"Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?".

And of a truth, if I went back to Gen. 2, I would find the Christ's very Words, "16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat".

Now I could engage in the same tactic performed by the promoters of various religious sects and businesses of this world, and break this sentence down word by word, and conclude therefore, that Adam and Eve were free to eat of whatever tree they desired, and I could promote a degree or certificate in language arts and Hebrew and Greek Studies I paid for from the Wesley Theological Seminary or any of the dozens and dozens of schools in the world where competing religious sects and businesses create schools to teach me how to know their version of God, the same as Paul who grew up at the feet of that great theologian Gamaliel.

But I would be wrong, deceived, and guilty of promoting a false teaching just the same.

However, If I simply believed in the Jesus of the Bible, and Paul's teaching, and considered the entire written message that the Christ gave to Adam and Eve, or as Jesus said, "Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God", I would find this truth.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

In this way a common man can know the Holy One of Israel. They don't need money to be trained by this world's religious system who are clearly partial concerning God's Word. They don't need to pick through the smorgasbord of religious sects, they can simply place their trust in Every Word of God.

In like manner, the message of Paul's Letter to the Ephesians is corrupted by various sects, by failing to follow the simple rule even shown to us in nature, that in order to understand anyone, one must consider all of the message.

That is not being done on this thread at all. If it were, then men would be more concerned about "Who" Paul was speaking to, "WHO" received the gift of Salvation, "WHY" they didn't receive it "In times Past", and "What" was the purpose of the gift in the first place. "Who" had relegated them as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world". All of which are explained in the letter from Paul, but not in Ephesians 2:8.

Jesus accused the mainstream preachers of His time of "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel".

Let's be careful not to get caught up in the centuries old foolish debate concerning whether Faith or Salvation in the free Gift, and perhaps consider that it's the walkers of the "course of this world", which started this debate in the first place. Imagine if the Pharisees had stopped the popular practice of being "partial" in God's Word, and had Lived by" Every Word of God, as the Holy One of Israel instructed, both as a Spirit with them in the wilderness, and as the Prophesied mortal human that HE became. They would have been with the Church of God under HIS New High Priest on Pentecost.
 
Your first statement truly makes little to no biblical sense, and you provided no source to drawn from to help us see exactly what you are attempting to convey with your statement.

I apologize for not being more clear.

The faith we receive when we hear the Gospel is the faith that comes from God, as a gift.

Faith comes to us from God, by hearing Him speak (communicate) to us.

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17


Example:

By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7


God spoke to (warned) Noah about the coming flood upon the earth.

Noah responded in obedience.



So far do you agree with what I am saying?
 
How is it possible that a man can receive a letter from someone, take one sentence from the middle of the letter, separate it from the rest of the letter, and then expect to understand the message of the letter? It is not possible to do so. Even in nature it is known that a child cannot understand the message of it's mother, unless he considers "ALL" of her message. A person can not make a cake unless they abide be by all of the instruction teaching how to make the cake. A man cannot know the rules of the roads they drive on, unless they consider "ALL" of the instructions.

And yet, when it comes to theology or the differing religious philosophies of this world, like Armenian vs Calvinism or Pharisees vs. Sadducees, etc., etc., etc., this is the very foundation of their tradition. Each religious sect or business selecting certain parts of the message of God, separating it from, even omitting, the rest of the message, then breaking it down word for word with the Greek and Hebrew definitions, and then creating entire doctrines and philosophies based on their understanding of this one sentence.

Christ, The Holy One of Israel, knowing the deceiver would use this tactic to deceive, pointed this out in the very first 3 books of His Inspired Word, AKA "The Holy Scriptures".

Here we have an example of "another voice", other than Christ, who existed in the garden the Christ placed Adam and Eve in, who professed to know God, and even quoted "some" of God's Word.

"Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?".

And of a truth, if I went back to Gen. 2, I would find the Christ's very Words, "16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat".

Now I could engage in the same tactic performed by the promoters of various religious sects and businesses of this world, and break this sentence down word by word, and conclude therefore, that Adam and Eve were free to eat of whatever tree they desired, and I could promote a degree or certificate in language arts and Hebrew and Greek Studies I paid for from the Wesley Theological Seminary or any of the dozens and dozens of schools in the world where competing religious sects and businesses create schools to teach me how to know their version of God, the same as Paul who grew up at the feet of that great theologian Gamaliel.

But I would be wrong, deceived, and guilty of promoting a false teaching just the same.

However, If I simply believed in the Jesus of the Bible, and Paul's teaching, and considered the entire written message that the Christ gave to Adam and Eve, or as Jesus said, "Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God", I would find this truth.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

In this way a common man can know the Holy One of Israel. They don't need money to be trained by this world's religious system who are clearly partial concerning God's Word. They don't need to pick through the smorgasbord of religious sects, they can simply place their trust in Every Word of God.

In like manner, the message of Paul's Letter to the Ephesians is corrupted by various sects, by failing to follow the simple rule even shown to us in nature, that in order to understand anyone, one must consider all of the message.

That is not being done on this thread at all. If it were, then men would be more concerned about "Who" Paul was speaking to, "WHO" received the gift of Salvation, "WHY" they didn't receive it "In times Past", and "What" was the purpose of the gift in the first place. "Who" had relegated them as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world". All of which are explained in the letter from Paul, but not in Ephesians 2:8.

Jesus accused the mainstream preachers of His time of "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel".

Let's be careful not to get caught up in the centuries old foolish debate concerning whether Faith or Salvation in the free Gift, and perhaps consider that it's the walkers of the "course of this world", which started this debate in the first place. Imagine if the Pharisees had stopped the popular practice of being "partial" in God's Word, and had Lived by" Every Word of God, as the Holy One of Israel instructed, both as a Spirit with them in the wilderness, and as the Prophesied mortal human that HE became. They would have been with the Church of God under HIS New High Priest on Pentecost.
Welcome aboard = "man shall live by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

SEE Post #13 for the CLEAR understanding and conclusion of "every word of God" pertaining to Salvation contained in Ephesians ch2
 
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How is it possible that a man can receive a letter from someone, take one sentence from the middle of the letter, separate it from the rest of the letter, and then expect to understand the message of the letter? It is not possible to do so. Even in nature it is known that a child cannot understand the message of it's mother, unless he considers "ALL" of her message. A person can not make a cake unless they abide be by all of the instruction teaching how to make the cake. A man cannot know the rules of the roads they drive on, unless they consider "ALL" of the instructions.

And yet, when it comes to theology or the differing religious philosophies of this world, like Armenian vs Calvinism or Pharisees vs. Sadducees, etc., etc., etc., this is the very foundation of their tradition. Each religious sect or business selecting certain parts of the message of God, separating it from, even omitting, the rest of the message, then breaking it down word for word with the Greek and Hebrew definitions, and then creating entire doctrines and philosophies based on their understanding of this one sentence.

Christ, The Holy One of Israel, knowing the deceiver would use this tactic to deceive, pointed this out in the very first 3 books of His Inspired Word, AKA "The Holy Scriptures".

Here we have an example of "another voice", other than Christ, who existed in the garden the Christ placed Adam and Eve in, who professed to know God, and even quoted "some" of God's Word.

"Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?".

And of a truth, if I went back to Gen. 2, I would find the Christ's very Words, "16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat".

Now I could engage in the same tactic performed by the promoters of various religious sects and businesses of this world, and break this sentence down word by word, and conclude therefore, that Adam and Eve were free to eat of whatever tree they desired, and I could promote a degree or certificate in language arts and Hebrew and Greek Studies I paid for from the Wesley Theological Seminary or any of the dozens and dozens of schools in the world where competing religious sects and businesses create schools to teach me how to know their version of God, the same as Paul who grew up at the feet of that great theologian Gamaliel.

But I would be wrong, deceived, and guilty of promoting a false teaching just the same.

However, If I simply believed in the Jesus of the Bible, and Paul's teaching, and considered the entire written message that the Christ gave to Adam and Eve, or as Jesus said, "Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God", I would find this truth.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

In this way a common man can know the Holy One of Israel. They don't need money to be trained by this world's religious system who are clearly partial concerning God's Word. They don't need to pick through the smorgasbord of religious sects, they can simply place their trust in Every Word of God.

In like manner, the message of Paul's Letter to the Ephesians is corrupted by various sects, by failing to follow the simple rule even shown to us in nature, that in order to understand anyone, one must consider all of the message.

That is not being done on this thread at all. If it were, then men would be more concerned about "Who" Paul was speaking to, "WHO" received the gift of Salvation, "WHY" they didn't receive it "In times Past", and "What" was the purpose of the gift in the first place. "Who" had relegated them as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world". All of which are explained in the letter from Paul, but not in Ephesians 2:8.

Jesus accused the mainstream preachers of His time of "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel".

Let's be careful not to get caught up in the centuries old foolish debate concerning whether Faith or Salvation in the free Gift, and perhaps consider that it's the walkers of the "course of this world", which started this debate in the first place. Imagine if the Pharisees had stopped the popular practice of being "partial" in God's Word, and had Lived by" Every Word of God, as the Holy One of Israel instructed, both as a Spirit with them in the wilderness, and as the Prophesied mortal human that HE became. They would have been with the Church of God under HIS New High Priest on Pentecost.
You keep mentioning the " Holy One " of Israel.

Is the Holy One of Israel YHWH- the Christ ? yes or no
 
Thanks brother :)
a great gift has been given unto the world . JESUS THE CHRIST .
yet many seem to reject the free gift given BY GOD THROUGH CHRIST JESUS .
Yes my friend i thinks many forget the BY FAITH part , Kept BY FAITH .
Lets say we had us ten thousand men gathered as one
Every man was on death row
The loud speaker says
TO ALL who go and receive this gift , YE ARE PARDONED of your death sentence .
Now lets say six thousand men said , OH YES , I Believe and embrace this gift
and four thousand said , NOPE ,
Four thousand GONNA DIE THE SECOND DEATH .
OH there is a CHOOSE YE THIS DAY all right .
but many have chosen dead wrong and due to the power of the all inclusive
lie of interfaith and co exist , THEY get told , HEY YOU DONT NEED to RECIEVE this gift
ITS GIVEN TO ALL , JUST DO as thou wilt , hug a tree and feed some poor you gonna be just fine .
ONLY NO SIR they WONT be just fine . ANd i dont go with the flow of anti christ either
who leads the blind by FALSE HOPE into a mindset SO DEEP in the black
that to see the light ONE would have to PUMP IT TO THEM and EVEN THEN they could not see it .
 
@Studyman

But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. - Jeremiah 10:10

Who is This???
Well it says who it is
HE IS the TRUE GOD , THE LIVING GOD .
And now a real necessary word of reminder .
AND HE , as IN JESUS , shall TREAD THE WINEPRESS of THE WRATH of GOD .
At whose wrath will the earth tremble . Exactly . GOD IS HIS WORD and HIS WORD
will not be DENIED . all who do so will BE DENIED .
Thomas did not commit great blasphemy when HE kneeled before the RISEN CHRIST
and said MY LORD and MY GOD . ANd it is about darn high time
folks quit casting HIS WORDS behind them in favor of the lie of anti christ they THINK is the LOVE OF GOD
which has DARN SURE TROD CHRIST UNDER FOOT . so , IT WONT be saving squat .
TO DENY JESUS IS TO DENY GOD . TO DENY HIS WORDS , IS TO DENY HIM .
 
Well it says who it is
HE IS the TRUE GOD , THE LIVING GOD .
And now a real necessary word of reminder .
AND HE , as IN JESUS , shall TREAD THE WINEPRESS of THE WRATH of GOD .
At whose wrath will the earth tremble . Exactly . GOD IS HIS WORD and HIS WORD
will not be DENIED . all who do so will BE DENIED .
Thomas did not commit great blasphemy when HE kneeled before the RISEN CHRIST
and said MY LORD and MY GOD . ANd it is about darn high time
folks quit casting HIS WORDS behind them in favor of the lie of anti christ they THINK is the LOVE OF GOD
which has DARN SURE TROD CHRIST UNDER FOOT . so , IT WONT be saving squat .
TO DENY JESUS IS TO DENY GOD . TO DENY HIS WORDS , IS TO DENY HIM .
Same King as this KING = Revelation chapter 19

He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
And the armies in heaven, clothed in ine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.
 
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Same King as this KING = Revelation chapter 19

He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
And the armies in heaven, clothed in [f]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.
And now ED wants to sign his full name to this .
ED ZACH LEE . Say that three times real fast . sounds just like exactly .
People have zero idea , or most dont even within christendom ,
THAT TO DENY JESUS , ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS TO DENY GOD ALL MIGHTY .
not looking good david at all within a lot of christendom .
many had rather beleive a piper who pipes a song about love all day
BUT KNOWS NOT GOD OR HIS LOVE and in fact their love has led them into GREATER and ONLY GREATER
rebellion against GOD , HIS CHRIST and the saints . THEY , in favor of this false love , CAST the words of GOD
far behind them and any who dares use such words they cast OUT of their churches .
IT WILL GET WORSE . Prepare O church , for in this world YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION .
 
Same King as this KING = Revelation chapter 19

He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
And the armies in heaven, clothed in ine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.
For every word used satan can twist that word .
AND HE DO twist it .
Many have NOT the LOVE OF GOD IN THEM
for HE who GOD did send
THEY BELEIVE NOT HIS WORDS . and WELL , lets face it
THE CHARITY , LOVE OF GOD , rejoices IN TRUTH , not a lie .
MANY who claim to have the love of GOD , have only the love of the world
that does so build the greatest many many many lane highway
it claims leadeth to GOD . But at the end of that mulit massive road
IS TOTAL and SUDDEN destruction .
Too many done put they lips to the wacky tabbacky pipe of the WELL favored HARLOT
and they so high they simply cannot come back down . BUT WILL ON THE DAY OF THE LORD
ANY NATION that turns its back on GOD shall be made into hell .
 
You keep mentioning the " Holy One " of Israel.

Is the Holy One of Israel YHWH- the Christ ? yes or no

WOW!,

Out of my entire post, you pick 4 words, separate them from the rest of my post, and use them to cleverly deflect and divert attention away from your own thread, and to turn attention away from the popular tradition that I pointed out in my reply. This is the very tradition I spoke to in the post you ignored. What spirit would promote such a tactic?

As for your diversion tactic, I already answered your question in post #34 on your "the difference between knowing God and knowing about God" thread. Remember Civic, I asked you like 4 or 5 questions, posted scriptures for your review and discussion, but you ignored everything I posted, except for a question that I didn't even ask?

At this rate you will be accusing me of saying Jesus is still suffering for my sins, because I posted HIS Words prophesying of a time after His Death and resurrection, where HE promised to go and prepare a place for men in His Father's Mansion, who "Yield themselves" servants to Obey the Holy One of Israel, and believing His unfulfilled Prophesy to return at some point to gather them unto Himself.

Why not stop walking in the course of this world and live by Every Word of the Holy One of Israel, who God, His Father, sent into this world.
 
Ephesians 2:4-10 (NKJV) 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
God loves us so much… He tells us so in John 3:16. It is by His all-sufficient grace and mercy that we are saved when we faithfully believe in Christ Jesus.

John 3:16 (NKJV) “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

— selah
Lets examine something . notice it says that all who DO BELIEVE in HIM should not perish but have everlasting life .
What occurs to those who as the prophets warned would fail to beleive .
WELL lets see it from the mouth of an apostel in acts WHO QUOATED it .
BEWARE , wonder AND PERISH . okay so we see it says PERISH
FOR i will work a work in your day that though a man declare it unto you , ye will NOT beleive .
OOPSY .
OR here is another place another one spoke .
Quaoting i beleive it was moses .
And HE who will NOT HEAR that PROPHET
shall be DESTROYED from among the people . THAT PROPHET Like unto me
HIM shall ye hear , MOSES SPOKE OF JESUS THE CHRIST.
SO why come i see me a big ol fat broad all inclusive road they CLIAM leads to GOD
and on that big ol fat road of SIN and UNBELIEF they holler IT matters not what ye beleive what religoin ye are
WE IS ALL coming to GOD , just lovey do . ANTI CHRIST IS AT WORK and many anti christs DO this will
of the worker of the mystery of inquity
AND WORSE MANY even within CHRISTENDOM sure seem to love to have this ever incluisive ever broading
LIE they think is love to be preached and taught . THIS SHEEP dont find common ground with anti christ
with darkness , with men and women of belial . WE have no common ground with darkness
you silly people , we expose it and preach JESUS . the latter of which THEY DARN SURE see no need for at all .
GETTING real bad in these very late hours my friend .
 
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