Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".

[TibiasDad]

Yes, which Grace makes them alive, a new living spiritual entity. Thats what I have been saying. When Jesus said, the dead shall hear His voice and live Jn 5 25

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. So at that point they are saved, and now can hear His voice and believe

1) Do you not see the order of events? They “hear” and the result is they “shall live”. It is not “they shall be made alive” and “then they shall hear.”

2) “Hearing” is not salvation, it is understanding the meaning of what you’re being told, as in “Do you hear me?”

3) It can also be a metaphor for the act of believing. That is the meaning of Jesus.

4) The context of the whole, is about Jesus going about his Father’s work, doing what his Father does. But the focus is on Jesus having authority over both physical and spiritual life, ie, being equal with God!


Doug