No, that is your false assertion.
You are dodging the fact that the Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit before their water baptism.
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No, that is your false assertion.
You are dodging the fact that the Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit before their water baptism.
Truther
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Well, why did the 120 in the upper room have to obey Acts 2:38 as part of the 3000 that were baptized that day?
The 120 had the Holy Ghost prior to Acts 2:38 command too.
Good for the goose but not good for the gander in Acts 2?
Truther
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So the 120 1st century Jews didn’t have to obey Peter’s command but the rest of the 3000 did?
Was there a modernist revolt starting on the 1st day?
Show me where they did.
You are very confused concerning the above.
Truther
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So, you admit that you think the 120 separated themselves from the rest of the 3000 at Pentecost per having to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins?
Truther
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48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Would you obey Peter's command if you were Cornelius?
Yes or no?
If the 120 needed to be water baptized in order to be saved along with whom they preached to then you had the 120 being dead in their sins.
Yes, and as with Cornelius I did so after I was already saved.
Truther
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You are segregating the 120 from the rest. You do realize the situation you’re creating?
Truther
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Then, obey Peter as Cornelius did, and be baptized, in the name of Jesus, Christ, whether you believe it is for the remission of sins or not. You are still disobeying the command, no matter what you think. You would be considered an outcast if you were in Cornelius‘s group.
The 120 were already baptized with the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:4.
They didn't need to be baptized with the Holy Spirit again in Acts 2:38.
And yes, to be given the Holy Spirit is to be baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4; cf. Acts 15:8)
I did.
I entered the NT church first, and then I was water baptized.
That si what yoyu o0ught to do as well.
Doug Brents
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Sure I can. Saul in Acts 22:16. The Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts 8. Everyone in John 3:5, Rom 6:1-4, Col 2:11-14, Eph 5:26, 1 Pet 3:21 and others.
While it is true that the Holy Spirit is mentioned in both places, the gift is different. That received by the disciples in Acts 2:1-4 is not the same as that promised in Acts 2:38. Acts 2:1-4 and Acts 10 depict the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit, but Acts 2:38 is talking about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. You can have the miraculous power without the indwelling, (Moses, Elijah, Elisha, the other prophets, etc.). And you can have the indwelling without the miraculous power (look at every true Christian alive today).
Doug Brents
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Not possible. You cannot enter into the Church (ie: enter into Christ) except THROUGH baptism (Gal 3:27).
Correct - the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
A Jew of that time period.
A proselyte of that time period
Thanks for proving my point.
Stop there and go ahead and prove that "water" must refer to water baptism.
I've mentioned this to you before, but not surprisingly you dodged it.
