Doctrines of Demons

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Hello JLB,

Thank you for the verse you have quoted.

'A true witness delivereth souls:
but a deceitful witness speaketh lies.
In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence:
and His children shall have a place of refuge.
The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life,
to depart from the snares of death.'
(Pro 14:25-27)

in Christ Jesus
Chris

a true witness does just that .
Anyone mind telling me why even a high number
of christendom now speaks lies
and heads right into interfaith interreligious dialgoue , WHICH I KNOW is of anti christ . NO DOUBT ABOUT IT .

 

[Complete]

a true witness does just that .
Anyone mind telling me why even a high number
of christendom now speaks lies
and heads right into interfaith interreligious dialgoue , WHICH I KNOW is of anti christ . NO DOUBT ABOUT IT .

'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.
And for this cause
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness.'
(2Th 2:8-12)

Hello @Tothalordbeallglory,

It is possible that, like in the parable of the tares, it can be said that, 'an enemy hath done this' (Matthew 13:28). Yet it is also true that God Himself will also allow a great delusion to descend upon the unbelieving in the end times.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Quintus5]

Still it does not say THEY will not die.

A long time ago I began to notice that in all the parables, the chaff is burned up. It is destroyed. That is a picture of hell. And no where does it say that an unbelievers dead spirit and soul become immortal in hell as you said before. Don't forget, the Tree of Life is in heaven not hell.


Outer darkness is different than the lake of fire. When do you think that is. Of course, after death, but remember Abraham's bosom could be seen by the rich man looking across the great gulf when he saw Lazarus. These are just things I spend time pondering.




That is definitely the second coming. But what you underlined still doesn't say how long... And gnashing of teeth is possible for the dead before and after the second coming.

(two posts - first post)

Yep. There is a second death. Not a second eternally dying.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.
And for this cause
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness.'
(2Th 2:8-12)

Hello @Tothalordbeallglory,

It is possible that, like in the parable of the tares, it can be said that, 'an enemy hath done this' (Matthew 13:28). Yet it is also true that God Himself will also allow a great delusion to descend upon the unbelieving in the end times.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I would like to address your question now before all who are present .
Not only is this possible , BUT IT IS what now occurs .
You my friend are correct on this .
The false prophets of the denominations of protestant land
have merged this people together as one with the false prophets of the RCC
who has also merged this people with the false religoins .
AND GUESS what all those prophets who prophesy have in common .
THIS IS THE SOLUTION FROM GOD HIMSELF , COME TO , AND LET US BE ONE MIND and ONE PEOPLES
for we shall attain peace n safety .
BUT THIS IS THE WORKING of a lying spirit that has been sent
to merge ALL of the decieved within Christendom WITH the false religoins
to build in this all inclusive , strange and diverse stone adding TOWER they all believe is the way to heaven
AND JESUS HAS BEEN OMITTED . And they beleive come to this is the way to attain
utopai and world peace n safety . AND many now follow their pernscious ways by WHOM
the PURE and HOLY TRUE GOSPEL , that CHRIST , THAT JESUS is EVIL SPOKEN OF .......
But as the prophets prophesied to Ahab , it was not for his good
but rather so he would be convinced and go up and meet HIS OWN destruction .
SO too will all who bought into this lie
believing it was the love of GOD and its broad inclusive love was HIS LOVE .
FOR when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON THEM ALL .
And the hour does draw nigh .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.
And for this cause
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness.'
(2Th 2:8-12)

Hello @Tothalordbeallglory,

It is possible that, like in the parable of the tares, it can be said that, 'an enemy hath done this' (Matthew 13:28). Yet it is also true that God Himself will also allow a great delusion to descend upon the unbelieving in the end times.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

They believe it is the will of GOD to bring world peace .
THINK that i have come to bring peace on earth , i tell you NAY but rather divisoins .
But i sure do know of another who cometh and by PEACE shall destroy many .
And he shall divide the land for gain .
He shall make a covenent with the peoples .

 

[Marvelloustime]

I would like to address your question now before all who are present .
Not only is this possible , BUT IT IS what now occurs .
You my friend are correct on this .
The false prophets of the denominations of protestant land
have merged this people together as one with the false prophets of the RCC
who has also merged this people with the false religoins .
AND GUESS what all those prophets who prophesy have in common .
THIS IS THE SOLUTION FROM GOD HIMSELF , COME TO , AND LET US BE ONE MIND and ONE PEOPLES
for we shall attain peace n safety .
BUT THIS IS THE WORKING of a lying spirit that has been sent
to merge ALL of the decieved within Christendom WITH the false religoins
to build in this all inclusive , strange and diverse stone adding TOWER they all believe is the way to heaven
AND JESUS HAS BEEN OMITTED . And they beleive come to this is the way to attain
utopai and world peace n safety . AND many now follow their pernscious ways by WHOM
the PURE and HOLY TRUE GOSPEL , that CHRIST , THAT JESUS is EVIL SPOKEN OF .......
But as the prophets prophesied to Ahab , it was not for his good
but rather so he would be convinced and go up and meet HIS OWN destruction .
SO too will all who bought into this lie
believing it was the love of GOD and its broad inclusive love was HIS LOVE .
FOR when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON THEM ALL .
And the hour does draw nigh .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭10‬-‭12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

I would like to address your question now before all who are present .
Not only is this possible , BUT IT IS what now occurs .
You my friend are correct on this .
The false prophets of the denominations of protestant land
have merged this people together as one with the false prophets of the RCC
who has also merged this people with the false religoins .
AND GUESS what all those prophets who prophesy have in common .
THIS IS THE SOLUTION FROM GOD HIMSELF , COME TO , AND LET US BE ONE MIND and ONE PEOPLES
for we shall attain peace n safety .
BUT THIS IS THE WORKING of a lying spirit that has been sent
to merge ALL of the decieved within Christendom WITH the false religoins
to build in this all inclusive , strange and diverse stone adding TOWER they all believe is the way to heaven
AND JESUS HAS BEEN OMITTED . And they beleive come to this is the way to attain
utopai and world peace n safety . AND many now follow their pernscious ways by WHOM
the PURE and HOLY TRUE GOSPEL , that CHRIST , THAT JESUS is EVIL SPOKEN OF .......
But as the prophets prophesied to Ahab , it was not for his good
but rather so he would be convinced and go up and meet HIS OWN destruction .
SO too will all who bought into this lie
believing it was the love of GOD and its broad inclusive love was HIS LOVE .
FOR when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON THEM ALL .
And the hour does draw nigh .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

I would like to address your question now before all who are present .
Not only is this possible , BUT IT IS what now occurs .
You my friend are correct on this .
The false prophets of the denominations of protestant land
have merged this people together as one with the false prophets of the RCC
who has also merged this people with the false religoins .
AND GUESS what all those prophets who prophesy have in common .
THIS IS THE SOLUTION FROM GOD HIMSELF , COME TO , AND LET US BE ONE MIND and ONE PEOPLES
for we shall attain peace n safety .
BUT THIS IS THE WORKING of a lying spirit that has been sent
to merge ALL of the decieved within Christendom WITH the false religoins
to build in this all inclusive , strange and diverse stone adding TOWER they all believe is the way to heaven
AND JESUS HAS BEEN OMITTED . And they beleive come to this is the way to attain
utopai and world peace n safety . AND many now follow their pernscious ways by WHOM
the PURE and HOLY TRUE GOSPEL , that CHRIST , THAT JESUS is EVIL SPOKEN OF .......
But as the prophets prophesied to Ahab , it was not for his good
but rather so he would be convinced and go up and meet HIS OWN destruction .
SO too will all who bought into this lie
believing it was the love of GOD and its broad inclusive love was HIS LOVE .
FOR when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON THEM ALL .
And the hour does draw nigh .

@Tothalordbeallglory

 

[charismaticlady]

Yep. There is a second death. Not a second eternally dying.

I'll be very thankful to not be there to find out the actual truth.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I'll be very thankful to not be there to find out the actual truth.

To the LORD we owe all . In all that we do and say may it honor the LORD .

 

[armylngst]

I know for believers there is gain and loss of rewards. are there degrees to torment ? I'm not sure one way or the other. But the scripture does imply there will be some whos punishment is more severe than others.

“Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town” (Matt. 10:15).

“But I tell you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you … But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you” (Matt. 11:22, 24).

“I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned” (Matt. 12:36–37).

“And that servant who knew his master’s will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more” (Luke 12:47–48).

“But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed” (Rom. 2:5).

“How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?” (Heb. 10:29)

The way I have understood this is that the more knowledge someone has of God and Christ, the greater the torment of separation from that. The greater the punishment the more someone knows of Christ, and the greatest torment for the "sons of the kingdom" who are tossed into the outer darkness where there is crying and gnashing of teeth (speaking to the greatest level of torment of knowing all God has for them as "sons of the kingdom", and missing it).

As for gradations of torment for sin, I have not reached any kind of consensus. Just on how much someone knows of God's presence through knowledge of God, ending with total separation. The smoke of torment can be literal, or just a graphic depiction of the suffering that the dead are going through. One person I know believed that the torment would be conscious non-existence, and that the torment would be severe.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

The way I have understood this is that the more knowledge someone has of God and Christ, the greater the torment of separation from that. The greater the punishment the more someone knows of Christ, and the greatest torment for the "sons of the kingdom" who are tossed into the outer darkness where there is crying and gnashing of teeth (speaking to the greatest level of torment of knowing all God has for them as "sons of the kingdom", and missing it).

As for gradations of torment for sin, I have not reached any kind of consensus. Just on how much someone knows of God's presence through knowledge of God, ending with total separation. The smoke of torment can be literal, or just a graphic depiction of the suffering that the dead are going through. One person I know believed that the torment would be conscious non-existence, and that the torment would be severe.

Beware for the heart of man is highly wicked and will find a means to justify what it desires to beleive .
Probably wondering what on earth is this man talking about .
This .
While in part what you did write is true
MANY will use this as a means to sit idle .
Well the less we knew the better off we might be concering such punishment .
But reader and all that has ears to hear
ANYONE whose heart thinks like that , IS already embracing its own deadly destruction .
In other words , WHERE is the love FOR GOD in any of that mindset .
You would be amazed at what people tell themselves in order to feel safer and better .
mark my words it is not gonna bode well at all for them either.
Guess what GOD desires . AND i sure hope we have that desire in us .
FOR US TO SEEK HIM with the WHOLE HEART . and GUESS what desire GOD puts into the sheep
TO DO THAT . Keep that in mind . now lets all bible up and get busy seeking and learning
and let us stir one another up to have one mind . And
this is the mind i speak about my friend . OH LORD YOU spared a thing like me
I WANT TO SERVE YOU . You are not here to serve me , BUT I TO SERVE YOU .
I am but a wee thing , saved soley by grace who hates my own evil
And i desire to justify NO EVIL of men , nor the evil in my own flesh .
SO i will not justify anyones sins
I will not holler at men who come to correct my sin or anyone elses sin .
But rather if i be found in sin and they do correct me , MAY I REPENT OF MY SIN and not rather call them
a judgmental legalistic hater .
Just saying . sorry about the length of this post . But i am so wore out with what i am seeing in christendom
I do hope that encouraged you greatly .

 

[Affinity]

As we all know undermining the authority of God’s Word is where Satan has gained a major foothold, starting of course with this in the Garden of Eden.

Remember the classic questioning of the authority and veracity and interpretation of God’s prohibition to Adam and Eve?

“Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” Gen. 3:1

The subtle deception had begun, encouraging Eve to use her own intellect to determine what God meant.

Then comes the direct denial of the Word of the Lord: “You shall not surely die!” (Gen. 3:1, NASB).

And then the coup de grace, the enticing possibilities of going away from the Lord’s command: “… You will be like God …”Gen. 3:5

And ever since, Satan has in a lot of mankind a ready audience for his deceptions regarding God’s Word.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

As we all know undermining the authority of God’s Word is where Satan has gained a major foothold, starting of course with this in the Garden of Eden.

Remember the classic questioning of the authority and veracity and interpretation of God’s prohibition to Adam and Eve?

“Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” Gen. 3:1

The subtle deception had begun, encouraging Eve to use her own intellect to determine what God meant.

Then comes the direct denial of the Word of the Lord: “You shall not surely die!” (Gen. 3:1, NASB).

And then the coup de grace, the enticing possibilities of going away from the Lord’s command: “… You will be like God …”Gen. 3:5

And ever since, Satan has in a lot of mankind a ready audience for his deceptions regarding God’s Word.

That is what the dark one does my friend .
He always uses a truth taken out of text to support a lie .
he uses scriptures , but does so to support a lie .
Lets look at the garden of eden again.
Has God said ye cannot eat of the trees in the garden .
The woman then says , we may eat of them but not the tree in the midst of it for in the day we do we shall surely die .
Nay ye shall not die , then he uses a truth twisted in order to make her believe that is ALL that is going to happen .
For in the day ye eat thereof ye shall become as gods to know good and evil . That too did happen but THEY DID die .
Now watch the lie of the all merging we are one .
As it does all to lie to christendom and the false religoins to bring them as one .
Enter the serpent .
And he says TO THE CHURCH , HAS GOD really said YE must BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
And the church says , YES , we in order to be saved one must beleive on CHRIST or perish .
NAY nay says the serpent , surely if one believes not they shall not perish , FOR GOD IS LOVE .
Yeah he is using a line of GOD IS LOVE to PROMOTE A FAT LIE .
them other religions already serve satan and he desires christendom to believe they okay
they serving the same God we do , all will be well . BUT HE IS A LIAR .

 

[armylngst]

Beware for the heart of man is highly wicked and will find a means to justify what it desires to beleive .
Probably wondering what on earth is this man talking about .
This .
While in part what you did write is true
MANY will use this as a means to sit idle .

They will pay for it, so let them. (Actually, we aren't supposed to simply do that.)

Well the less we knew the better off we might be concering such punishment .

The torment is still there, it just isn't to the level that the truly rebelious, those who reject with full knowledge of the truth, will face.

But reader and all that has ears to hear
ANYONE whose heart thinks like that , IS already embracing its own deadly destruction .
In other words , WHERE is the love FOR GOD in any of that mindset .
You would be amazed at what people tell themselves in order to feel safer and better .
mark my words it is not gonna bode well at all for them either.
Guess what GOD desires . AND i sure hope we have that desire in us .
FOR US TO SEEK HIM with the WHOLE HEART . and GUESS what desire GOD puts into the sheep
TO DO THAT . Keep that in mind . now lets all bible up and get busy seeking and learning
and let us stir one another up to have one mind . And
this is the mind i speak about my friend . OH LORD YOU spared a thing like me
I WANT TO SERVE YOU . You are not here to serve me , BUT I TO SERVE YOU .
I am but a wee thing , saved soley by grace who hates my own evil
And i desire to justify NO EVIL of men , nor the evil in my own flesh .
SO i will not justify anyones sins
I will not holler at men who come to correct my sin or anyone elses sin .
But rather if i be found in sin and they do correct me , MAY I REPENT OF MY SIN and not rather call them
a judgmental legalistic hater .
Just saying . sorry about the length of this post . But i am so wore out with what i am seeing in christendom
I do hope that encouraged you greatly .

The point is that all will suffer, however, there are gradations to the suffering. In what I wrote it was based on how much knowledge of the truth a person had and rejected. It doesn't go from no torment, to unbearable. There is torment, however, the worst is reserved for those who reviled Christ with full knowledge of the truth. Especially those the Bible calls "sons of the Kingdom". They have NO EXCUSE for rejecting the truth. There are those who don't know anything, and never get the opportunity to hear the truth. However, scripture says that signs of God are all throughout nature, so no man is without excuse. No one will get out of it. The question is, will everyone face the same torment, or will the torment vary, in this case based on how much of the truth a person had, and rejected.