That's still prayer.
It can be done so speaking only within one's heart and it is expected she 'hears' these prayers. Thus the RC attributes to her what applies to God alone (1 Kings 8:39).
See the last sentence in post 53.
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That's still prayer.
It can be done so speaking only within one's heart and it is expected she 'hears' these prayers. Thus the RC attributes to her what applies to God alone (1 Kings 8:39).
See the last sentence in post 53.
MTMattie
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And Eastern Orthodox originally split off from the RCC church and only now has some minimal agreement with the doctrine.
As do other branches of Orthodox... so cut it out about the Protestants.
- Oriental Orthodox Churches
- Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria[44]
- Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch[47]
- Malankara Jacobite Syrian Church[48]
- Armenian Orthodox Church[49]
- Titular Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople
- Titular Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem
- Titular Catholicossate of the Great House of Cilicia[50]
- Indian (Malankara) Orthodox Church[51]
- Ethiopian Orthodox Church[52]
- Eritrean Orthodox Church
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, contains 81 books, making it the largest biblical canon in traditional Christianity.
So what did your guys not include int the RCC bible?
A brief synopsis on some...
Orthodox Christianity: Embracing Denominational Diversity
Orthodox Christianity is a rich and diverse tradition with various denominations that have evolved over centuries. Each Orthodox Church has its unique history, theology, liturgical practices, and cultural influences. Let’s take a closer look at some of the different Orthodox Churches:
- Greek Orthodox Church: The Greek Orthodox Church is one of the most well-known and influential Orthodox Churches worldwide. It traces its roots back to the Apostolic times and is deeply rooted in Greek culture. Greek Orthodox worship emphasizes the use of iconography, incense, and beautiful chanting.
- Russian Orthodox Church: The Russian Orthodox Church has played a significant role in shaping the religious and cultural identity of Russia. Known for its stunning architecture, such as the iconic onion-shaped domes, the Russian Orthodox Church places great importance on liturgical music and the veneration of saints.
- Coptic Orthodox Church: The Coptic Orthodox Church has its origins in Egypt, tracing its lineage back to the teachings of St. Mark the Evangelist. It has a distinct liturgical tradition and a rich heritage of monasticism. The Coptic Orthodox Church places a strong emphasis on fasting and asceticism as a means of spiritual growth.
- Armenian Apostolic Church: The Armenian Apostolic Church is one of the oldest Orthodox Churches in the world. It has its own unique liturgical language and practices. Armenians have a strong sense of cultural identity and their Church has played a vital role in preserving their heritage and spirituality.
These are just a few examples of the diverse Orthodox Churches that exist around the world. Each one brings its own rich traditions and spiritual practices, but they are united in their commitment to Orthodox theology and the preservation of apostolic faith. Despite their denominational diversity, the Orthodox Churches share a common belief in the Holy Trinity, the sacraments, and the importance of the Holy Scriptures.
No matter how you want to slice it.... these found fault and ended up apart from the RCC. You should research that as to why.
As to the protestants... Well, the basic founding fathers like Luther, and self appointed prophets like Calvin came out ot the RCC
... so there is that
Johann
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Tothalordbeallglory
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The HOLY FATHER of OUR LORD and SAVOIR CHRIST JESUS is WHO is and always has been right .
And my friend HE sure has many words of truth in the scripture .
May a sheep be fat happy and filled by reading those lovely pages of truth in the bible for themselves .
Far too many decievers have rushed the field to teach
and specially in these very late and last hours . Feasting time for one and feasting time for all
in the bible .
Johann
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Yeah, I’m being labeled as overly grammatical and accused of harboring a false gospel. It feels like every time I try to do something good for my fellow brothers and sisters “in Christ,” I end up getting criticized or misunderstood.
At this point, I’ve decided to pay more attention to @Studyman because I really appreciate the way he lays out the Scriptures...it’s clear, powerful, and straightforward.
Shalom brother.
J.
Jay
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I woke up thinking those very words. The bible is where it's at. The Holy Spirit opens it up for me.
Spiritual Wisdom
…17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him. 18I ask that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you may know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and the surpassing greatness of His power to us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of His mighty strength,…Ephesians 1:17-19
The impact of having our spiritual eyes opened is immeasurable. There are the profound changes that take place when God opens your spiritual eyes and blesses us with divine revelation.
Tothalordbeallglory
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To the trenches johann . the hour is late .
Tothalordbeallglory
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TO the trenches one and all the hour is late . Let us stay refreshed in prayer and reading of the scrips daily .
He who inspired them words in scripture is surely able to give one understanding by HIS SPIRIT .
We need but trust IN HIM and be learning of HIM . Testing all men
and edifying one another with the truth . The hour is late and grows later it does
MTMattie
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Yes sir. But there still remains the problem of reading those lovely pages of truth in the bible because there still is the element of understanding that may be due in part to translation confusions or the actual bible one choses to read.I know there are many on here that are KJO believers. But I just cant unless it is the only one out there.
But there is still the problem that no matter who... there is always disagreement.
Some things that are clear to one get turned upsidedown to another.
And it is not just us, but the authors too for when you read certain accounts.. lets say... arriving at the tomb.
There are not even two in agreement of who went and what happened after.
Four people who are supposedly inspired to write say differently.
- Matthew 28:1-8 says that when the two women, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, went to visit the tomb, there was an earthquake and an angel came down from heaven, rolled back the stone and sat on it. He told them Jesus was risen, so they left quickly and apparently without entering the tomb, so that they could tell the disciples.
- Mark 16:1-8 says that when the three women, Mary Magdalene, the other Mary and Salome, went to visit the tomb, they saw the stone already rolled away. They entered the tomb and saw a young man, who told them Jesus was risen and that they should go and tell the disciples and Peter. They left and told no one of this, for they were afraid. Verse 16:9 is generally believed to be an interpolation that begins a separate tradition.
- Luke 24:1-12 says that when a group of women, including Mary Magdalene, another Mary and Joanna, went to visit the tomb, they saw the stone already rolled away. They entered the tomb and saw two men in shining garments, who explained that Jesus was risen. When they went to tell the apostles, Peter ran to the sepulchre and looked inside, seeing only the linen cloths laid by themselves.
- John 20:1-14 says that Mary Magdalene went alone to visit the tomb but as she approached, she saw the stone rolled away. She ran back, apparently without entering the tomb, and told of this to Peter and the disciple who Jesus loved. The two disciples both ran to the tomb and looked inside, but it was the beloved disciple who understood and believed. Mary Magdalene must have returned to the tomb, because she looked inside and saw two angels, then saw Jesus standing outside next to her.
So how are we to agree?
I am open to suggestion but remember I also have my own firmly planted in my brain ideas of meanings.
Predestined V Free will.
Trininty V all in one V only God.... period.
144 literal hours for creation V non consecutive days V young earthers V an age of about 4.54 billion years for the Earth and about 13.8 billion years for the Universe ( although that is rarely talked about here)
And on and on and on and on....
And you want to know something...... NO DONT SHOOT ME
... I could be convinced that we all are right.That within his infinite wisdom our Heavenly Father chose different belief routes for those who believe in His Son...
That to each He gave the measure of understanding to find our way as He wants us to.
Is that a crazy idea?
Perhaps... but then that would allow the predestineds to be predestined while the Father put the free will in those who could handle it. etc.......
IDK.
After all... the end is all that matters. We have the four corners of the Holy Bible and everyone here knows that without Jesus and our belief and faith in him we would be toast.
Well, I am off for a bit....
Blessings to one and all.
MTMattie
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You do not harbor a false gospel, IMO.
I may not always agree, but I love ya anyway.
Blessings
As you said , they split off from the true church and much of orthodox too.
The true church still does it , believes it and has evidence of it.
The orthodox was the first protester against authority. Now they have no place to resolve disputes even amongst themselves . So they drift apart on doctrine. That alone is a sign they are not the true church,
They do not get to choose. Those appointed do that.
Meanwhile the Protestants invented their own man made tradition in the Middle Ages.
Calvin Zwingli and Luther didn’t agree on most doctrine , and their offshoots don’t agree with them
They can’t agree on any major aspect of faith , and they split every time they disagree ,
So who cares what they think about intercession ?
They can’t even agree on baptism .
Btw.
I AM ex CofE then ex evangelical. I saw first hand how shallow and contradicting all their doctrine was.
They could not even agree on Eucharist! Let alone anything else.
It’s why I left.
Go back to the view of the Catholic Church appointed to bind and loose disputes. The ones who chose the Bible and creed were vociferous about intercession too. Ask Ephraim. They were given the job of handing down and protecting the deposit of faith.
Every time Protestants attack Catholics , which is pretty much all they agree on, I answer by showing how they themselves have no platform or agreement on which to attack catholicism!
Tell me - where in the Bible does it say it has to be in the Bible?
Even the solas are false.
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civic
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if you know any catholics who might enjoy this forum please invite them. thanks !
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DavidTree
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The Holy Scriptures are the Written Authority from God to His People/those whom HE has Called.
The Holy Scriptures are Sacred.
The Bible says that the Lord Jesus Christ is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE.
The Bible says that no one comes to the FATHER but thru Jesus Christ.
The Bible says the church of the Lord Jesus Christ is made up of "Living Stones" = which are Blood Washed Saints
The RCC contests the Holy Scriptures = as i FACTUALLY pointed out already = Post #50
i have my Heavenly FATHER's Word = the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE
AND
HE has given me His Holy Spirit = the Spirit of TRUTH
AND
HE has given me the Holy Scriptures by which we come to God and know God
2 Timothy 3:14-16
But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
MTMattie
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An ancestor of mine was a Vicar in the Church of England.
He left because of a disagreement over baptism.
However he went to Scotland and got involved with the Presbyterians.... which just seems odd cause they too share
in the same baptism ideas.
After emigrating to America, he made his was southward and started a Presbyterian church in Maryland. And that set the course for many a generation in the family. Until.... I started to read and study the Holy Words....
You ask "Tell me - where in the Bible does it say it has to be in the Bible?"
What other piece of literature have you read that has the history, commandments, and all about Jesus so concisely written?
In the 1960s people from our local Roman Catholic Church were discouraged from reading the bible.
Even my one RC aunt, who died at the age of 94, never owned a bible. An avid Mass goer, for some reason could not even get a priest to do last rites or a funeral service. She also mocked my own dad when he said he was glad he had Jesus.
You say,
Even the solas are false.
Which are
1. Sola scriptura: “Scripture alone”
2. Sola fide: “faith alone”
3. Sola gratia: “grace alone”
4. Solo Christo: “Christ alone”
5. Soli Deo gloria: “to the glory of God alone”
You seem clear you do not believe in scripture..... but YOU DONT BELIEVE IN
FAITH ALONE?
GRACE ALONE?
CHRIST ALONE?
And oh my ... YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THE GLORY OF GOD ALONE....
do you even believe in God or is it all Mary and the Saints?
And to my shame, I too, may have partook of the accusations and misunderstood the intents. But what can I say Johann? Only that I am truly sorry, and for the rest, I defer to Paul's words.
Phil. 3: 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things "which are before", (Another Today, that when I hear His Voice, I don't harden my heart, like I did yesterday)
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God (Which is) in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
I am so grateful for the Mercy of God, to give me another Day to choose HIM, over my wicked flesh. And I am grateful for the others in this world seeking His Truth, who are "thus minded".
Thank you for the kind, though perhaps undeserved, words Johann.
In His Love, Greg.
DavidTree
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The One who said: "IAM"
Johann
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Greg, your heart is in the right place, where it should be—in Messiah Jesus Christ. Just look at my signature, brother. I’m still a work in progress, called sanctification, with no pride. I meant what I said: if you find any errors in my posts, you have my full permission to correct them. I say this publicly because I sense and discern the Holy Spirit in you, my dear brother, and I see your deep love for the pure, unadulterated Word of God.
There is no need to apologize. I welcome correction and truly appreciate your work. You are doing a sterling job for the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Stay strong, @Studyman.
Yours in Christ.
Johann.
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The same here Johann.
Ecc. 4: 9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.
10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.
11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?
12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
13 Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished.
With His Love
Greg
