Do Catholics Pray to Mary?

[Tothalordbeallglory]

View attachment 1908 Yes sir. But there still remains the problem of reading those lovely pages of truth in the bible because there still is the element of understanding that may be due in part to translation confusions or the actual bible one choses to read.

I know there are many on here that are KJO believers. But I just cant unless it is the only one out there.

But there is still the problem that no matter who... there is always disagreement.


Some things that are clear to one get turned upsidedown to another.

And it is not just us, but the authors too for when you read certain accounts.. lets say... arriving at the tomb.

There are not even two in agreement of who went and what happened after.

Four people who are supposedly inspired to write say differently.

1. Matthew 28:1-8 says that when the two women, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, went to visit the tomb, there was an earthquake and an angel came down from heaven, rolled back the stone and sat on it. He told them Jesus was risen, so they left quickly and apparently without entering the tomb, so that they could tell the disciples.
2. Mark 16:1-8 says that when the three women, Mary Magdalene, the other Mary and Salome, went to visit the tomb, they saw the stone already rolled away. They entered the tomb and saw a young man, who told them Jesus was risen and that they should go and tell the disciples and Peter. They left and told no one of this, for they were afraid. Verse 16:9 is generally believed to be an interpolation that begins a separate tradition.
3. Luke 24:1-12 says that when a group of women, including Mary Magdalene, another Mary and Joanna, went to visit the tomb, they saw the stone already rolled away. They entered the tomb and saw two men in shining garments, who explained that Jesus was risen. When they went to tell the apostles, Peter ran to the sepulchre and looked inside, seeing only the linen cloths laid by themselves.
4. John 20:1-14 says that Mary Magdalene went alone to visit the tomb but as she approached, she saw the stone rolled away. She ran back, apparently without entering the tomb, and told of this to Peter and the disciple who Jesus loved. The two disciples both ran to the tomb and looked inside, but it was the beloved disciple who understood and believed. Mary Magdalene must have returned to the tomb, because she looked inside and saw two angels, then saw Jesus standing outside next to her.

Surely people who were close enough in time should match....

So how are we to agree?

I am open to suggestion but remember I also have my own firmly planted in my brain ideas of meanings.
Predestined V Free will.

Trininty V all in one V only God.... period.

144 literal hours for creation V non consecutive days V young earthers V an age of about 4.54 billion years for the Earth and about 13.8 billion years for the Universe ( although that is rarely talked about here)

And on and on and on and on....

And you want to know something...... NO DONT SHOOT ME View attachment 1909... I could be convinced that we all are right.

That within his infinite wisdom our Heavenly Father chose different belief routes for those who believe in His Son...
That to each He gave the measure of understanding to find our way as He wants us to.

Is that a crazy idea? View attachment 1910

Perhaps... but then that would allow the predestineds to be predestined while the Father put the free will in those who could handle it. etc.......

IDK.

After all... the end is all that matters. We have the four corners of the Holy Bible and everyone here knows that without Jesus and our belief and faith in him we would be toast.

Well, I am off for a bit....

Blessings to one and all. View attachment 1911

Then how come by grace i can . And have you ever noticed how simple i have kept things .
Dont let men fool ya like we cannot learn that bible for ourselves .
Now i have read quite a few versions myself .
Might i say beware some of the newer ones .
You would be amazed at how SIMPLE this is my friend . MEN COMPLICATED
it , NOT GOD . MAN DID THIS .
I am telling you , that you would marvel at how simple this truly is my friend .
So do be encouraged , but as for me , i am staying glued RIGHT in that bible .
Again everyone here would have been so shocked to see how simple this always was and could have been .
So allow me a quick reminder . Lets just start fresh in the bible again
and enjoy it . YOU SEE what happens . Oh its gonna be of upmost pure beauty
if folks had done this for themselves . Man this walk was so simple , IN CHRIST , BUT MAN JACKED IT ALL UP my friend .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

The One who said: "IAM"

SPOT ON RIGHT my friend .
And now allow me a reminder , THAT I KNOW you know my friend ,
LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar
so that you may be JUSTIFIED in your sayings and overcome when thou art judged .
EVERY WORD OF GOD IS MEAT FOR THE SOUL OF A LAMB .
See how simple that is my friend . How simple this walk could have been
IF ONLY . if only folks had not desired to hear men who twisted scrips to fit thier ears and hearts desires .
You see what i next write
is a very simple fact to any born again lamb .
SHEEP LOVE EVERY WORD OF THE LORD . TRUTH to them is a honey to the taste
AND EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH . That is very simple indeed .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Tru dat !!!

every WORD OF GOD is as honey to the taste of a sheep .
The moment GOD drew me
and put me into that bible , DID YOU KNOW that no matter what i read
I was SO EDIFIED so joy filled , so hungry for the truth .
So why do many often twist such lovely scrips . TRUTH EDIFIES THIS SHEEP .
So do feel free to answer the question i left you the other day .
WHY did this wee little sheep never remarry . AND WHY DOES IT HAVE SUCH GREAT JOY .
BECAUSE HAPPY IS THE ONE WHO KEEPS MY SAYINGS .
You see i didnt go running to pastors
to try and find a way around things . In fact when i even heard them try and twist things
IT made me feel so dead , so empty . YET IT SURE SEEMS TO BE what many desire to hear
TWISTED THINGS that omit HIS WORDS .
Dont think for a second i boast in me . YOU would be so dead wrong if you think that .
THIS WAS GODS DOING . AND HE DID truly save one of the worst and CHANGED MY HEART
SEEING GOD saved me and changed my heart
HE COULD HAVE DONE THIS FOR ANYONE . Seeing i darn sure aint better than anyone
AND was worst than most .
I SAY ITS BIBLE TIME again . TO learn for ourselves what men no longer rightly divide , TRUTH .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

To sie trenches one and all . The hour is late .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Schwester its hier . TO THE TRENCHES SISTER , the HOUR IS QUITE LATE
and do enjoy the cockadoodle doo reminder on another post .

 

[Marvelloustime]

every WORD OF GOD is as honey to the taste of a sheep .
The moment GOD drew me
and put me into that bible , DID YOU KNOW that no matter what i read
I was SO EDIFIED so joy filled , so hungry for the truth .
So why do many often twist such lovely scrips . TRUTH EDIFIES THIS SHEEP .
So do feel free to answer the question i left you the other day .
WHY did this wee little sheep never remarry . AND WHY DOES IT HAVE SUCH GREAT JOY .
BECAUSE HAPPY IS THE ONE WHO KEEPS MY SAYINGS .
You see i didnt go running to pastors
to try and find a way around things . In fact when i even heard them try and twist things
IT made me feel so dead , so empty . YET IT SURE SEEMS TO BE what many desire to hear
TWISTED THINGS that omit HIS WORDS .
Dont think for a second i boast in me . YOU would be so dead wrong if you think that .
THIS WAS GODS DOING . AND HE DID truly save one of the worst and CHANGED MY HEART
SEEING GOD saved me and changed my heart
HE COULD HAVE DONE THIS FOR ANYONE . Seeing i darn sure aint better than anyone
AND was worst than most .
I SAY ITS BIBLE TIME again . TO learn for ourselves what men no longer rightly divide , TRUTH .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Marvelloustime]

Schwester its hier . TO THE TRENCHES SISTER , the HOUR IS QUITE LATE
and do enjoy the cockadoodle doo reminder on another post .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY I shall go and peek.

 

[Administrator]

Lets slow it way down with the photos please. They only give us a certain amount space.

 

[GodsGrace]

That’s good because we don’t.
We ask Mary to pray for us.
Just because you don’t understand the words used or true faith, doesn’t give you the right to attack RCC

I can only urge you to return to the true faith.
All the following are quotes

So “ Lean not on your own understanding”
Stay “ true to tradition we taught you”
They can only teach who are “ sent” - who are you listening to? Or only the sound of your own voice?
The apostles and successors only have the power to “ bind and loose” meaning, you don’t. The Catholic Church does.
Which is why the “ pillar of truth is the church “ ( church physical - household of God)


Those who chose your Bible and nicene creed were vociferous about the intercession of Mary.
If it’s good enough for them, it’s good enough for you.

THE Catholic Church has the true faith as handed down by the bishops in succession.

Listen to it.

The reformers have no opinion, they were not sent, and proof of that is all the reformers and their cults
that descended from them, can’t even agree on basics of doctrine, let alone detailed stuff. Lutherans don’t even agree with luther. Calvinists don’t even agree with Calvin. You couldn't make it up!
On every aspect of doctrine you all disagree! That’s because you were not sent.

So listen to the true church speak as it has for 2000 years.

Well, at least till about 2014 or so.
But we shall soon see how it goes from now on in.
Although unity MUST supersede everything else for now.

As to praying to Mary or the saints....
I believe the CC is trying to warn against praying to the saints....
which is good, although Catholics don't listen much to what their church teaches,
because it doesn't really teach much. I'm sorry to say. Many wander off into the JWs cult.

I have to agree with the other member...
HOW could the saints hear us if only God is omnipresent?

Not sure about Mary.
She's special IMHO.

 

[GodsGrace]

Lets slow it way down with the photos please. They only give us a certain amount space.

Does the size of the images make a difference?
Maybe @Marvelloustime could make them smaller??

 

[MTMattie]

That’s good because we don’t.
We ask Mary to pray for us.
Just because you don’t understand the words used or true faith, doesn’t give you the right to attack RCC

I can only urge you to return to the true faith.
All the following are quotes

So “ Lean not on your own understanding”
Stay “ true to tradition we taught you”
They can only teach who are “ sent” - who are you listening to? Or only the sound of your own voice?
The apostles and successors only have the power to “ bind and loose” meaning, you don’t. The Catholic Church does.
Which is why the “ pillar of truth is the church “ ( church physical - household of God)


Those who chose your Bible and nicene creed were vociferous about the intercession of Mary.
If it’s good enough for them, it’s good enough for you.

THE Catholic Church has the true faith as handed down by the bishops in succession.

Listen to it.

The reformers have no opinion, they were not sent, and proof of that is all the reformers and their cults
that descended from them, can’t even agree on basics of doctrine, let alone detailed stuff. Lutherans don’t even agree with luther. Calvinists don’t even agree with Calvin. You couldn't make it up!
On every aspect of doctrine you all disagree! That’s because you were not sent.

So listen to the true church speak as it has for 2000 years.

Yep.... I will avoid any bashing at this point other then to ask why you do not petition the Father directly and even Jesus.

The Catholic Church has the true faith. That belief certainly is ingrained in you all.

But as having been passed down.... be careful for there are those who are not so honorable in your church either.

 

[MTMattie]

That’s good because we don’t.
We ask Mary to pray for us.
Just because you don’t understand the words used or true faith, doesn’t give you the right to attack RCC

I can only urge you to return to the true faith.
All the following are quotes

So “ Lean not on your own understanding”
Stay “ true to tradition we taught you”
They can only teach who are “ sent” - who are you listening to? Or only the sound of your own voice?
The apostles and successors only have the power to “ bind and loose” meaning, you don’t. The Catholic Church does.
Which is why the “ pillar of truth is the church “ ( church physical - household of God)


Those who chose your Bible and nicene creed were vociferous about the intercession of Mary.
If it’s good enough for them, it’s good enough for you.

THE Catholic Church has the true faith as handed down by the bishops in succession.

Listen to it.

The reformers have no opinion, they were not sent, and proof of that is all the reformers and their cults
that descended from them, can’t even agree on basics of doctrine, let alone detailed stuff. Lutherans don’t even agree with luther. Calvinists don’t even agree with Calvin. You couldn't make it up!
On every aspect of doctrine you all disagree! That’s because you were not sent.

So listen to the true church speak as it has for 2000 years.

But none of us has ever said having a personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous.

And none of us has ever said.
"
The crux of the matter, ahem, is the question of whether there is more than one path that actually leads to God. The answer to that is—or may be—a simple “No.” Still, the issue behind the question is the relationship of Christianity to other religions, and that’s … complicated.


Basically, Christianity is true: All salvation is through Christ, alone, and the Church that Christ founded teaches everything necessary for salvation; other religions attain at best a partial and distorted understanding of God and the universe.

What Francis said was: Tutte le religioni sono un cammino per arrivare a Dio. “All religions are path[way]s to reach God.” Msgr. Christopher Washington of the Secretariat of State’s English Section did an admirable job rendering the off-the-cuff remark in the moment, offering: “Every religion is a way to arrive at God.”

Both of these have multiple sources plus additional things the Pontiff said. (I'll cut him a break for his age and likely mind slipping... but still)

So lay off the condemnation of reformers because your one true church has its own list of problems... and Ill let that one be

 

[GodsGrace]

That’s good because we don’t.
We ask Mary to pray for us.
Just because you don’t understand the words used or true faith, doesn’t give you the right to attack RCC

I can only urge you to return to the true faith.
All the following are quotes

So “ Lean not on your own understanding”
Stay “ true to tradition we taught you”
They can only teach who are “ sent” - who are you listening to? Or only the sound of your own voice?
The apostles and successors only have the power to “ bind and loose” meaning, you don’t. The Catholic Church does.
Which is why the “ pillar of truth is the church “ ( church physical - household of God)


Those who chose your Bible and nicene creed were vociferous about the intercession of Mary.

Mike...where does the Nicene Creed mention the intercession of Mary??

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

(USCCB)

If it’s good enough for them, it’s good enough for you.

THE Catholic Church has the true faith as handed down by the bishops in succession.

Listen to it.

The reformers have no opinion, they were not sent, and proof of that is all the reformers and their cults
that descended from them, can’t even agree on basics of doctrine, let alone detailed stuff. Lutherans don’t even agree with luther. Calvinists don’t even agree with Calvin. You couldn't make it up!
On every aspect of doctrine you all disagree! That’s because you were not sent.

So listen to the true church speak as it has for 2000 years.

 

[DavidTree]

I woke up thinking those very words. The bible is where it's at. The Holy Spirit opens it up for me.


Spiritual Wisdom
…17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him. 18I ask that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you may know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and the surpassing greatness of His power to us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of His mighty strength,…Ephesians 1:17-19

The impact of having our spiritual eyes opened is immeasurable. There are the profound changes that take place when God opens your spiritual eyes and blesses us with divine revelation.

Thank you Jay for these encouraging words of truth you shared with us today.

 

[DavidTree]

Greg, your heart is in the right place, where it should be—in Messiah Jesus Christ. Just look at my signature, brother. I’m still a work in progress, called sanctification, with no pride. I meant what I said: if you find any errors in my posts, you have my full permission to correct them. I say this publicly because I sense and discern the Holy Spirit in you, my dear brother, and I see your deep love for the pure, unadulterated Word of God.

There is no need to apologize. I welcome correction and truly appreciate your work. You are doing a sterling job for the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Stay strong, @Studyman.

Yours in Christ.

Johann.

if you find any errors in my posts, you have my full permission to correct them.

OK - Where do i begin - so much to choose from............only kidding with ya my Brother!!!

Shalom

 

[Johann]

OK - Where do i begin - so much to choose from............only kidding with ya my Brother!!!

Shalom

Shalom achi, lecha u'lemishpachtcha.

Shalom my brother-to you and family.

Johann.

 

[Donald]

The Catholic Church has been devoted to spreading truth since she was founded by Christ 2,000 years ago. The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, “It is easy to find truth; it is hard to face it, and harder still to follow it.” Pray that Christ will lead you to find truth, and that your heart will be open to the truth wherever you may find it.

Catholics believe that worship is due to God alone. Catholics do, however, venerate Mary. In other words, we honor our Blessed Mother with great reverence and devotion because she is the Mother of God. Mary is the model of perfect love and obedience to Christ.

God preserved Mary from sin, and she conceived our Lord by the power of the Holy Spirit, bringing Christ into our world. Catholics can’t help but honor the Blessed Virgin Mary, who is full of grace, the Mother of God and our Mother, for her “yes” to God that made the Incarnation possible. And without the Incarnation, we would not have salvation. Mary is the most beautiful model of total submission to the will of God. Catholics do not view Mary as equal to Christ, but rather venerate Mary because of her relationship to Christ. The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains, “Mary’s role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it.”

As Catholics, we pray that we can respond to God’s call to holiness for our lives in the way that Mary did. Mother Theresa prayed to emulate Mary’s devotion to Christ:

“Mary, Mother of Jesus, give me your heart so beautiful, so pure, so immaculate, 
so full of love and humility that I may be able to receive Jesus in the Bread of Life, 
love Him as You loved Him, and serve Him as You served Him….”

 

[mikepec]

And to my shame, I too, may have partook of the accusations and misunderstood the intents. But what can I say Johann? Only that I am truly sorry, and for the rest, I defer to Paul's words.

Phil. 3: 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things "which are before", (Another Today, that when I hear His Voice, I don't harden my heart, like I did yesterday)

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God (Which is) in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

I am so grateful for the Mercy of God, to give me another Day to choose HIM, over my wicked flesh. And I am grateful for the others in this world seeking His Truth, who are "thus minded".

Thank you for the kind, though perhaps undeserved, words Johann.

In His Love, Greg.

An ancestor of mine was a Vicar in the Church of England.

He left because of a disagreement over baptism.

However he went to Scotland and got involved with the Presbyterians.... which just seems odd cause they too share
in the same baptism ideas.

After emigrating to America, he made his was southward and started a Presbyterian church in Maryland. And that set the course for many a generation in the family. Until.... I started to read and study the Holy Words....

You ask "Tell me - where in the Bible does it say it has to be in the Bible?"

What other piece of literature have you read that has the history, commandments, and all about Jesus so concisely written?

In the 1960s people from our local Roman Catholic Church were discouraged from reading the bible.
Even my one RC aunt, who died at the age of 94, never owned a bible. An avid Mass goer, for some reason could not even get a priest to do last rites or a funeral service. She also mocked my own dad when he said he was glad he had Jesus.

You say,

Even the solas are false.

Which are

1. Sola scriptura: “Scripture alone”
2. Sola fide: “faith alone”
3. Sola gratia: “grace alone”
4. Solo Christo: “Christ alone”
5. Soli Deo gloria: “to the glory of God alone”

You seem clear you do not believe in scripture..... but YOU DONT BELIEVE IN

FAITH ALONE?
GRACE ALONE?
CHRIST ALONE?

And oh my ... YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THE GLORY OF GOD ALONE....

do you even believe in God or is it all Mary and the Saints?

The New Testament was chosen by the authority granted to the Catholic Church to bind and Loose on doctrine and specifically the succession to “ hand down “ the true faith to which you are told to stay true . You are also warned to listen only to those sent, that scripture is not obvious and not to lean on your own understanding. Which is why the church is the pillar of truth.

Jesus anticipated the need to interpret and resolve disputes so he appointed a succession with power to do it.

Catholics revere scripture , but in the context of the need for tradition. and authority to clarify what it means .
Tradition , the handing down of faith came long before the book.

I notice your straw man . The Bible nowhere says scripture alone so the reformers based their divergence and schism on a falsehood.

The other solas are not as simple as you think.
It depends what you mean . The opposite of believe is disobey,( and you are asked do a lot of works) . John 3:36
So faith is not alone either. But here is not the place, one section ot Lutheranism agreed a joint accord with the see on “ formed faith” but Lutherans don’t agree with each other or luther for that matter!


That does not alter the importance of scripture only the context of it. And that to have the word of God you need the right meaning . The words are not enough to have the word of God.
. That’s why Protestants have mutually contradictory flavours of baptism , Eucharist , priesthood, end times, soteriology , moral issues like abortion, contraception etc . You name it Protestants disagree on it. So most of them believe in falsehoods .

Yet they have the temerity like Fred , to redefine even what Catholics believe and criticise them for their own misunderstanding of it , and so repeat the anti catholic myths . We will define what we believe thanks.
You can do the same on a forum of whatever it is you believe.

It is important to read early fathers and understand what the true church believed. Belief in intercession preceded creed and New Testament finalisation.

The one issue I ask all Protestants to consider is if scripture and asking the spirit to clarify scripture for them was enough, why do they, like reformers believe in mutually exclusive opposites?!, so it didn’t work!
@civic ! That answers a point you agreed with.

They don’t agree on basics even.
But There is only one spirit and truth, and like the Ethiopian Eunuch you need guidance by Jesus appointed succession . guides who are sent to teach and resolve disputes.

If the church says intercession is valid, you do not have the basis to dispute it .
You don’t have to do it of course , nor are we compelled to.

We are certainly asked to , at such as Fatima validated by a prophecy miracle beyond reasonable dispute .
God is angry . And part of what he is angry about is how Mary is treated !!

 

[Marvelloustime]

Lets slow it way down with the photos please. They only give us a certain amount space.

@Administrator
It’s ok, I will type the scriptures out instead.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

@Administrator
It’s ok, I will type the scriptures out instead.

TRENCH ON SISTER .