Do Catholics Pray to Mary?

[mikepec]

You're absolutely right here, @Donald--and it's encouraging to see your acknowledgment that anything, including Rome, can be subject to error.

As believers, we are all called to “speak the truth in love” and to strive together “until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God” (Ephesians 4:13).

May we continue to contend earnestly for the faith (Jude 1:3) and fight the good fight with grace and integrity.

God bless.

Johann.

It depends what you mean.
If you mean that individual Catholics including the pope can err. Nobody disputes it.
There are a lot of Catholics so a lot of sinners and sadly too many who got to high places.

But If you mean dogmatic decisions taken in council or by the pope ex cathedra can be in error.
No , Rome is always right.

Just as when it chose the New Testament.
It outlawed many heresies on such as the nature of Christ ( Arianism)

The power to bind and loose, the right to teach and hand down doctrine to which you must stay true.
It’s also why the church IS the pillar of truth .

That’s the way Jesus made it , and wanted it, and put it in scripture.

But then the pope only ever makes ex cathedra decisions to resolve disputes in wide consultation with the bishops of succession. He does not create new doctrine, he only chooses between existing paths. Just as pre Christ there was Moses seat.

Sadly Protestants have no way to resolve disputes so they live in endless division and schism which is very sad to see.

 

[Fred]

Jesus initially forbids Mary from touching Him but later invites Thomas to do so. What's up with that?

After His resurrection, why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch Him, but later tell Thomas to touch Him? | GotQuestions.org

After His resurrection, why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch Him, but later tell Thomas to touch Him? Why was Mary Magdalene told not to touch Jesus, but Thomas told the opposite?

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[Donald]

After His resurrection, why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch Him, but later tell Thomas to touch Him? | GotQuestions.org

After His resurrection, why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch Him, but later tell Thomas to touch Him? Why was Mary Magdalene told not to touch Jesus, but Thomas told the opposite?

www.gotquestions.org

That sounds right, thanks for taking the time looking it up.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Let’s set aside the word “assumption”--you made an unwarranted claim by stating that Catholics are ignorant of biblical teachings, and you haven’t provided any evidence to support it.

I’ve personally watched hundreds of their debates, and biblical ignorance is not something I’ve observed.

Have you actually watched any of their debates yourself?

If not, then you have no leg to stand on, correct?

J.

Since the only "EVIDENCE" I would supply whould be Biblical (like Eph 2:8,9) and Catholics ignore such things, There's nothing to offer that would mean anything to a Catholic Paradigmatic. Hopefully the NEW Ctholic leader is Christian, and not a pagan "Universalist" like the last one.

Simple as that.

 

[mikepec]

Since the only "EVIDENCE" I would supply whould be Biblical (like Eph 2:8,9) and Catholics ignore such things, There's nothing to offer that would mean anything to a Catholic Paradigmatic. Hopefully the NEW Ctholic leader is Christian, and not a pagan "Universalist" like the last one.

Simple as that.

The evidence catholics provide is biblical , and tradition ( stay true to what we taught you) , and authority.( the power to bind and loose)
So we know what scripture means, not just what you think it says.
We know it , because we listen to those who are “sent “ to teach it ,in the pillar of truth as we ( and you) are instructed to do.

Tell me ,
if an army of carrabios who believe in sola ( their selective cherry picking of ) scriptura think it is enough by itself, why do all the carrabios come to polar opposite views on every part of doctrine, so the schism and schism again?
It’s not a good advert for your way of doing things,

It’s the problem with Protestants cherrypicking

For example,

The verse you could equally have quoted was in james
“ Faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead”
Or in John
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life”
Obeying means doing a lot of stuff (aka works.)
And if you don’t do the works , ( you could have quoted sheep and goats ) which tells you where you are headed, and it isn’t up!

So you might conclude the opposite depending on what you cherrypick!

I suggest you read the “ salvation controversy” akin, all is explained,
Including the first century meaning of “ boast”.

You see catholics know as much scripture as the army of carrabios , but we can also reconcile the apparent contradictions, so we don’t end up with 10000 schisms.

Personally I find it sad , that such clearly passionate people as you , get it so wrong, but then they have the temerity and arrogance to believe they know better than 2000 years of Catholics. Such Pride surely is a sin.

The average protestant denomination lasts barely decades before changing doctrine. It lacks authority to resolve Disputes amongst the army of disagreeing carrabios all cherrypicking different verses.

 

[DavidTree]

The evidence catholics provide is biblical , and tradition ( stay true to what we taught you) , and authority.( the power to bind and loose)
So we know what scripture means, not just what you think it says.
We know it , because we listen to those who are “sent “ to teach it ,in the pillar of truth as we ( and you) are instructed to do.

Tell me ,
if an army of carrabios who believe in sola ( their selective cherry picking of ) scriptura think it is enough by itself, why do all the carrabios come to polar opposite views on every part of doctrine, so the schism and schism again?
It’s not a good advert for your way of doing things,

It’s the problem with Protestants cherrypicking

For example,

The verse you could equally have quoted was in james
“ Faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead”
Or in John
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life”
Obeying means doing a lot of stuff (aka works.)
And if you don’t do the works , ( you could have quoted sheep and goats ) which tells you where you are headed, and it isn’t up!

So you might conclude the opposite depending on what you cherrypick!

I suggest you read the “ salvation controversy” akin, all is explained,
Including the first century meaning of “ boast”.

You see catholics know as much scripture as the army of carrabios , but we can also reconcile the apparent contradictions, so we don’t end up with 10000 schisms.

Personally I find it sad , that such clearly passionate people as you , get it so wrong, but then they have the temerity and arrogance to believe they know better than 2000 years of Catholics. Such Pride surely is a sin.

The average protestant denomination lasts barely decades before changing doctrine. It lacks authority to resolve Disputes amongst the army of disagreeing carrabios all cherrypicking different verses.

The evidence catholics provide is biblical

Catholics claim that it is acceptable before God, that Mary is our intercessor = "Holy mother of god pray for us"

Praying to Mary: of God? or is it a false teaching that leads us away from the Lord Jesus Christ?

The only way for us to know is by what the Lord and/or the Holy Apostles commanded the Church.

Let's test this RCC claim by the Holy Spirit of Truth, who holds the Holy FIRE that burns up any teaching that is contrary to God.

1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus"

@Donald @John Paul @mikepec = Why would you guys directly defy this commandment???

 

[mikepec]

Catholics claim that it is acceptable before God, that Mary is our intercessor = "Holy mother of god pray for us"

Praying to Mary: of God? or is it a false teaching that leads us away from the Lord Jesus Christ?

The only way for us to know is by what the Lord and/or the Holy Apostles commanded the Church.

Let's test this RCC claim by the Holy Spirit of Truth, who holds the Holy FIRE that burns up any teaching that is contrary to God.

1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus"

@Donald @John Paul @mikepec = Why would you guys directly defy this commandment???

We don’t in the sense you mean.
But then you never did understand Catholicism .
You don’t study enough .
Its why you left.

Tell me.
All those who claim the spirit guides their judgement come to opposite views of scripture
So are there millions of different holy spirits in your false man made religion who all disagree?

or just millions of misguided carrabios and David trees doing EXACTLY what scripture tells them NOT to, “ Lean on their own understanding.” ,

 

[mikepec]

Catholics claim that it is acceptable before God, that Mary is our intercessor = "Holy mother of god pray for us"

Praying to Mary: of God? or is it a false teaching that leads us away from the Lord Jesus Christ?

The only way for us to know is by what the Lord and/or the Holy Apostles commanded the Church.

Let's test this RCC claim by the Holy Spirit of Truth, who holds the Holy FIRE that burns up any teaching that is contrary to God.

1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus"

@Donald @John Paul @mikepec = Why would you guys directly defy this commandment???

So tell me.

Since the product of “sola ( your interpretation of ) scriptura “ is division on every issue of doctrine, why do you believe in what is so provably false- a man made tradition and invention of the Middle Ages.

The reformers couldn’t even agree with each other!

You never answer.

And why is it you are so arrogant you think everyone in the first Millenium got it wrong?
You think Jesus was so powerless he couldn’t keep his church on track having promised he would?

Wow you have a low view of Jesus!

 

[DavidTree]

We don’t in the sense you mean.
But then you never did understand Catholicism .
You don’t study enough .
Its why you left.

Tell me.
All those who claim the spirit guides their judgement come to opposite views of scripture

A.) How is it you say: "i never understood catholicism"
Please explain the basis of your assumption - thank you

B.) You claim: "I do not study enough" = How would you know?

The Apostle Paul instructs us to: "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
i have obeyed this Holy Apostolic instruction and continue in to do so, even daily.

C.) "All those who claim the spirit guides their judgement come to opposite views of scripture"

This is EXPECTED in a world that is governed by satan whereby everyone is born into sin & darkness.
When a person is Born-Again they are babes in Christ.
Just as a new born needs nurturing and years of growth, so does each person who is Born-Again.
Furthermore, the LORD Jesus Christ commanded us to be Baptized in the Holy Spirit but not many christians make it this far along in Christ.
Which leaves them dependent upon the Body of Christ for guidance.

Ask yourself @mikepec, how many Catholics are ignorant of the commandment of God = 1 Timothy 2:5
How many catholics even know of this Truth???

So are there millions of different holy spirits in your false man made religion, or just millions of misguided carrabios and David trees doing EXACTLY what scripture tells them NOT to, “ Lean on their own understanding.”

One Holy Spirit of Truth and One Truth = JESUS = IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE, no one comes to me except the FATHER Calls them.

As you can clearly see in my posts = my understanding comes from God and His Holy Scriptures of Truth.

 

[DavidTree]

So tell me.

Since the product of “sola ( your interpretation of ) scriptura “ is division on every issue of doctrine, why do you believe in what is so provably false- a man made tradition and invention of the Middle Ages.

The reformers couldn’t even agree with each other!

You never answer.

And why is it you are so arrogant you think everyone in the first Millenium got it wrong?
You think Jesus was so powerless he couldn’t keep his church on track having promised he would?

Wow you have a low view of Jesus!

Wow you have a low view of Jesus!

This is my VIEW of JESUS = i follow the Resurrected KING and the leading of the Holy Apostle Peter

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts ch4


Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,
“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen.
And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." - Revelation


Anyone who is praying to Mary is lacking faith and has no confidence in the LORD Jesus Christ.

 

[mikepec]

This is my VIEW of JESUS = i follow the Resurrected KING and the leading of the Holy Apostle Peter

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts ch4


Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,
“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen.
And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." - Revelation


Anyone who is praying to Mary is lacking faith and has no confidence in the LORD Jesus Christ.

You never answer.

Why your FAILED doctrine of sola scriptura, ( by which you mean your own personal interpretation of cherrypicked verses) leads to division of every major issue of doctrine. You even break your OWN doctrine , since sola scriptura is nowhere in scripture!

Now YOU must Explain!!

How DARE you criticise Catholics when your own doctrine is a PROVABLE FAILURE
You should Sort your OWN doctrine out before argue with others.

YOU must also EXPLAIN why YOU disregard what the Lord tells you to do and not to do!

That is - He tells you NOT to “ lean on your own understanding” but to LISTEN instead to those “ who were sent to preach ” and why you don’t listen to the church “ the pillar of truth “given the power to bind and loose “by Jesus to resolve disputes . YOU disregard ALL you are told.

I assure you the TRUE church - those that chose your scripture - believe in intercessory prayer , to the most powerful saint of all who is Mary, not least because it works !

You are even TOLD to do so at the apparitions of Fatima, proven by prophecy and miracle , because Jesus is angry, -not least- at how you treat Mary! That is the origin of the five first Saturdays. The five offences Protestants commit against Mary! , and even worse offences Protestants commit against the sacred heart of Jesus , The “ indifferences, outrages and sacrilege’s” you all commit against our lord in the tabernacle.

How DARE you criticise others when YOUR doctrine is a PROVABLE failure!

 

[synergy]

The Catholic Church has been devoted to spreading truth since she was founded by Christ 2,000 years ago. The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, “It is easy to find truth; it is hard to face it, and harder still to follow it.” Pray that Christ will lead you to find truth, and that your heart will be open to the truth wherever you may find it.

Catholics believe that worship is due to God alone. Catholics do, however, venerate Mary. In other words, we honor our Blessed Mother with great reverence and devotion because she is the Mother of God. Mary is the model of perfect love and obedience to Christ.

Mary is absolutely the mother of God, the Theotokos (God-bearer).

God preserved Mary from sin, and she conceived our Lord by the power of the Holy Spirit, bringing Christ into our world. Catholics can’t help but honor the Blessed Virgin Mary, who is full of grace, the Mother of God and our Mother, for her “yes” to God that made the Incarnation possible. And without the Incarnation, we would not have salvation. Mary is the most beautiful model of total submission to the will of God. Catholics do not view Mary as equal to Christ, but rather venerate Mary because of her relationship to Christ. The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains, “Mary’s role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it.”

Why the requirement for God to preserve Mary from sin? Augustine was the one who formulated the idea that we inherit Adam's guilt for his sin. Do Catholics follow that teaching or do Catholics believe that we do not inherit Adam's guilt?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The Assumption of Mary

IS PURE PAGAN FANTASY!!!

 

[DavidTree]

Mary is absolutely the mother of God, the Theotokos (God-bearer).

Why the requirement for God to preserve Mary from sin? Augustine was the one who formulated the idea that we inherit Adam's guilt for his sin. Do Catholics follow that teaching or do Catholics believe that we do not inherit Adam's guilt?

Mary is absolutely the mother of God,

Really???

Can you find a scripture that denotes "the mother of God"?

 

[DavidTree]

You never answer.

Why your FAILED doctrine of sola scriptura, ( by which you mean your own personal interpretation of cherrypicked verses) leads to division of every major issue of doctrine. You even break your OWN doctrine , since sola scriptura is nowhere in scripture!

Now YOU must Explain!!

How DARE you criticise Catholics when your own doctrine is a PROVABLE FAILURE
You should Sort your OWN doctrine out before argue with others.

YOU must also EXPLAIN why YOU disregard what the Lord tells you to do and not to do!

That is - He tells you NOT to “ lean on your own understanding” but to LISTEN instead to those “ who were sent to preach ” and why you don’t listen to the church “ the pillar of truth “given the power to bind and loose “by Jesus to resolve disputes . YOU disregard ALL you are told.

I assure you the TRUE church - those that chose your scripture - believe in intercessory prayer , to the most powerful saint of all who is Mary, not least because it works !

You are even TOLD to do so at the apparitions of Fatima, proven by prophecy and miracle , because Jesus is angry, -not least- at how you treat Mary! That is the origin of the five first Saturdays. The five offences Protestants commit against Mary! , and even worse offences Protestants commit against the sacred heart of Jesus , The “ indifferences, outrages and sacrilege’s” you all commit against our lord in the tabernacle.

How DARE you criticise others when YOUR doctrine is a PROVABLE failure!

You even break your OWN doctrine , since sola scriptura is nowhere in scripture!

Sure it is, JESUS said so..............but you do not believe His words, do you!

JESUS - “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
Apostle Peter - "having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever"
Apostle Paul - "and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
Apostle John - "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

@mikepec, You boast that your religion does not need nor depend on nor follow the words of:
The LORD Jesus Christ
the Apostle Peter
the Apostle Paul
the Apostle John

 

[synergy]

Really???

Can you find a scripture that denotes "the mother of God"?

Jesus is God. Right?
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Right?
If both statements are true then Mary is the mother of God.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus is God. Right?
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Right?
If both statements are true then Mary is the mother of God.

Mary was prophesied virgin of Isaiah 7:14

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mary was chosen by God for the incarnation of the Savior.

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Question: Did Mary create the Word that was God in the beginning?

 

[synergy]

Mary was prophesied virgin of Isaiah 7:14

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mary was chosen by God for the incarnation of the Savior.

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Question: Did Mary create the Word that was God in the beginning?

Nobody created the Word of God. The Word is Uncreated, has always existed, has appeared multiple times to OT Prophets, was incarnate as Jesus, born of Mary, and now reigns with the Father in Heaven.

 

[DavidTree]

Nobody created the Word of God. The Word is Uncreated, has always existed, has appeared multiple times to OT Prophets, was incarnate as Jesus, born of Mary, and now reigns with the Father in Heaven.

Therefore Mary could NEVER be the mother of God.

But, as a virgin, she can receive in her womb the Word that was God from the Beginning.

Let's agree with Truth = John 1:1-5

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made = the Word created Mary

In Him was life, and the life was the light of men = Mary received her life from the Word = not reverse like RCC thinks

And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. = Mary needed The Light to save her

Mary had a God and she needed her God to save her = Luke 1:47
And Mary said:
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;

 

[synergy]

Therefore Mary could NEVER be the mother of God.

But, as a virgin, she can receive in her womb the Word that was God from the Beginning.

Let's agree with Truth = John 1:1-5

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made = the Word created Mary

In Him was life, and the life was the light of men = Mary received her life from the Word = not reverse like RCC thinks

And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. = Mary needed The Light to save her

Mary had a God and she needed her God to save her = Luke 1:47
And Mary said:
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;

Then the Greeks have it more precisely right when they call her the Theotokos (God-bearer).

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14)

That son is Jesus who is God.

Therefore, Mary is the God-bearer, the Theotokos. What a magnificent title!!!