brightfame52
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Rom 9:13 shows that Gods Love is limited and discriminate, its not for all mankind.
Defending Universal Reconciliation
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brightfame52
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Yes He did hate Esau, and since God is Eternal and Immutable, He has always hated esau, and everyone else He hates. Likewise, those God loved, He has always loved them from everlasting, Hes immutable.
civic
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Can you define the " True God " for us ?
civic
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John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2 so it is for all. God desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, not just some men, a few men but ALL MEN, MANKIND.
not all kinds of men as calvinsits would redefine the meaning.
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brightfame52
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No theres objective evidence, but I cant provide you subjective evidence within your mind and heart. Perhaps you dont know the difference between whats objective and subjective,
civic
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Amen and we know that hate means to love less, esteem less in the greek lexicons. It has the same meaning Jesus taught in hating ones mother/father to be His disciple. You love Him more than them, love them less than Him. Otherwise Jesus would be breaking His own law in the OT. Love God with all your heart and your neighbor. We are to love and respect our parents not hate them as the calvinist would teach unless they agree that hate means to love less. This is just another contradiction in calvinism and shows how they twist scripture to suit their doctrines.
Diserner
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Do you think God ever hated you when you were living in sin?
brightfame52
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Not talking about me. However whoever God loves, He loved them from everlasting, to everlasting, He never hated them even when they were born sinners.
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brightfame52
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Yes He hates every worker of iniquity, thats the non elect, He will always hate them
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civic
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Ephesians 2
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
no way out of it lol
brightfame52
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Im not here to talk about me. Those who God loves, He always loved them, and those who God hates, He has always hated them
Diserner
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Seems like a dodge.
brightfame52
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God loves some sinners, always has and will and God hates some sinners always has and always will.
civic
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Except God never says that in scripture, Calvin falsely claimed that.
brightfame52
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Scripture teaches God is Immutable, and He loves from everlasting. Jer 31:3
3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
So do you believe there was a time God hated jeremiah or Jacob ? Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
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brightfame52
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Well you can speak for yourself
civic
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I speak what’s in the Bible not hearsay.
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