Could it be happening now ?

Deal with the WHOLE verse. Don't pick and choose what you think and want it to mean.

l've pointed out now 3 passages where your claims are clearly in error. If you can not read the text properly, I'm just not wasting any more time arguing things that are right there in the text.
I dealt with the whole verse. You were only dealing with the last half, and ignoring the clear statement in the first half.

There is absolutely no error in my statement that we do not, and can not know the time of the Lord's return. We are not given that information in Scripture, or in nature, or in revelation. He will come when He comes, and our duty is to be ready for Him so that we are not surprised. If we expect Him in the next 5 seconds then we will be ready now. But if we think He won't come until 3425, then we won't get ready until we are about to die because it won't matter until then. BE READY NOW!!! That is the meaning of these verses.
 
I dealt with the whole verse. You were only dealing with the last half, and ignoring the clear statement in the first half.

There is absolutely no error in my statement that we do not, and can not know the time of the Lord's return. We are not given that information in Scripture, or in nature, or in revelation. He will come when He comes, and our duty is to be ready for Him so that we are not surprised. If we expect Him in the next 5 seconds then we will be ready now. But if we think He won't come until 3425, then we won't get ready until we are about to die because it won't matter until then. BE READY NOW!!! That is the meaning of these verses.
LOL. Middle of the week. 1 Week. 3 1/2 years. 1335 days. 1260 days. 1290 days. 340 day for years. 2300 evening/morning units. in 2 days Israel will be restored.

God has filled Scripture will time cues about EXACTLY when the Day of the Yahweh will happen. He meant us to know. Now...correctly understanding the numbers is by the grace of God the Father.

Messiah Jesus came right on time at his first coming as predicted in the 70 Weeks Gabriel told to Daniel. And no, the end of the 62 weeks was NOT at Palm Sunday. Those Sir Robert Anderson calculations have been disproven.
Messiah Jesus will come a second time at exactly the appointed time predicted in the 70 Weeks as well. God states beforehand what He will do so that everyone knows He is God.
 
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LOL. Middle of the week. 1 Week. 3 1/2 years. 1335 days. 1260 days. 1290 days. 340 day for years. 2300 evening/morning units. in 2 days Israel will be restored.

God has filled Scripture will time cues about EXACTLY when the Day of the Yahweh will happen. He meant us to know. Now...correctly understanding the numbers is by the grace of God the Father.

Messiah Jesus came right on time at his first coming as predicted in the 70 Weeks Gabriel told to Daniel. And no, the end of the 62 weeks was NOT at Palm Sunday. Those Sir Robert Anderson calculations have been disproven.
Messiah Jesus will come a second time at exactly the appointed time predicted in the 70 Weeks as well. God states beforehand what He will do so that everyone knows He is God.
WRONG. The 70 weeks of Daniel's prophecy were accomplished before the middle of the first century. That prophecy is completely in our past. There is NOTHING in it that is still to be fulfilled.
 
WRONG. The 70 weeks of Daniel's prophecy were accomplished before the middle of the first century. That prophecy is completely in our past. There is NOTHING in it that is still to be fulfilled.
You are wrong, unfortunately. Just the 6 reasons given by Gabriel for the 70 Weeks prove that the Weeks are not complete. Or do you claim that Messiah Jesus has come again the second time?
 
You are wrong, unfortunately. Just the 6 reasons given by Gabriel for the 70 Weeks prove that the Weeks are not complete. Or do you claim that Messiah Jesus has come again the second time?
One is forced to take every physical promise made to Israel and the Jews and spiritualize them and also the same thing with Jesus Physical return ( His 2nd Coming ) and the Millennium. Its butchering scripture to support a doctrine which is eisegesis not biblical exegesis.
 
One is forced to take every physical promise made to Israel and the Jews and spiritualize them and also the same thing with Jesus Physical return ( His 2nd Coming ) and the Millennium. Its butchering scripture to support a doctrine which is eisegesis not biblical exegesis.
Yes, that's why the claims that have been made by that member have been addressed with Scripture and pointed out that he picks and chooses what matches with his view. He doesn't consider the entire verse(s) in context. He can't. It just doesn't say what he says it says.
 
You are wrong, unfortunately. Just the 6 reasons given by Gabriel for the 70 Weeks prove that the Weeks are not complete. Or do you claim that Messiah Jesus has come again the second time?
Yes, the first coming of Christ was accomplished exactly at the time that this prophecy detailed. The 70 weeks were accomplished in Jesus FIRST coming. The 6 reasons you mention:
to finish the wrongdoing,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for guilt,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy, and
to anoint the Most Holy Place.

are things that Christ did at His first coming. He made atonement for guilt, made an end to sin, etc. Jesus anointed the Most Holy Place with His own blood.

One is forced to take every physical promise made to Israel and the Jews and spiritualize them and also the same thing with Jesus Physical return (His 2nd Coming) and the Millennium. Its butchering scripture to support a doctrine which is eisegesis not biblical exegesis.
Not every promise made to Israel is Spiritual, but all those that are in the NT are. Israel in the NT is the Church (both Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ).
 
Yes, the first coming of Christ was accomplished exactly at the time that this prophecy detailed. The 70 weeks were accomplished in Jesus FIRST coming. The 6 reasons you mention:
to finish the wrongdoing,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for guilt,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy, and
to anoint the Most Holy Place.

are things that Christ did at His first coming. He made atonement for guilt, made an end to sin, etc. Jesus anointed the Most Holy Place with His own blood.


Not every promise made to Israel is Spiritual, but all those that are in the NT are. Israel in the NT is the Church (both Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ).
And that is where the entire issue lies. It's pointless to continue to argue. You will never seen the error of spiritualizing away that which is meant to be literal.
 
Yes, the first coming of Christ was accomplished exactly at the time that this prophecy detailed. The 70 weeks were accomplished in Jesus FIRST coming. The 6 reasons you mention:
to finish the wrongdoing,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for guilt,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy, and
to anoint the Most Holy Place.

are things that Christ did at His first coming. He made atonement for guilt, made an end to sin, etc. Jesus anointed the Most Holy Place with His own blood.


Not every promise made to Israel is Spiritual, but all those that are in the NT are. Israel in the NT is the Church (both Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ).
Wrong as Paul makes that clear in Romans 9-11 there are 2 different peoples of God still with 2 different plans.
 
I'm honestly curious which pastor or teacher you are following who is teaching the things that you are stating in this thread. I'd love to see how they back up their material.
I get this directly from Scripture.
"For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise." Gal 3:26-29
Are there still male and female? Yes, so this does not refer to the physical end of male and female. Similarly, it does not refer to the elimination of the Jewish bloodline. But, Spiritually speaking, there is no longer any difference between Jew or Gentile, male or female, slave or free. Everyone in Christ is the same spiritually, and everyone in Christ are heirs to the promises made to Abraham through faith. The Old Covenant was fulfilled, and a New Covenant was made with everyone (of whatever biological background) who accepts Jesus as the Christ. All Jews who do not believe in Jesus as the Christ are cut off from being "Israel", and all Gentiles who do believe in Jesus as the Christ are grafted into Israel (Rom 11:11-36).
 
I get this directly from Scripture.
"For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise." Gal 3:26-29
Are there still male and female? Yes, so this does not refer to the physical end of male and female. Similarly, it does not refer to the elimination of the Jewish bloodline. But, Spiritually speaking, there is no longer any difference between Jew or Gentile, male or female, slave or free. Everyone in Christ is the same spiritually, and everyone in Christ are heirs to the promises made to Abraham through faith. The Old Covenant was fulfilled, and a New Covenant was made with everyone (of whatever biological background) who accepts Jesus as the Christ. All Jews who do not believe in Jesus as the Christ are cut off from being "Israel", and all Gentiles who do believe in Jesus as the Christ are grafted into Israel (Rom 11:11-36).
So everything you've been saying is from your own personal opinion about the verses and subjects you bring up? No other pastor or teacher believes what you believe or has influenced you in any way?
 
I get this directly from Scripture.
"For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise." Gal 3:26-29
Are there still male and female? Yes, so this does not refer to the physical end of male and female. Similarly, it does not refer to the elimination of the Jewish bloodline. But, Spiritually speaking, there is no longer any difference between Jew or Gentile, male or female, slave or free. Everyone in Christ is the same spiritually, and everyone in Christ are heirs to the promises made to Abraham through faith. The Old Covenant was fulfilled, and a New Covenant was made with everyone (of whatever biological background) who accepts Jesus as the Christ. All Jews who do not believe in Jesus as the Christ are cut off from being "Israel", and all Gentiles who do believe in Jesus as the Christ are grafted into Israel (Rom 11:11-36).
Don’t conflate spiritual Israel with physical Israel. That’s replacement theology which is unbiblical and makes void all the promises to the Jews in their land.

Romans 9
I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying,my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit— 2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race,4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants,the receiving of the law, the temple worshipand the promises. 5 Theirs are the patriarchs,and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised![a] Amen.

Romans 10
But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”[h] 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”[i]
19 Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,

“I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.”[j]
20 And Isaiah boldly says,

“I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.”[k]
21 But concerning Israel he says,

“All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people.

Romans 11
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
 
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I'm honestly curious which pastor or teacher you are following who is teaching the things that you are stating in this thread. I'd love to see how they back up their material.
I'm actually honestly curious as to why you would ask him a question this way. Why not rather ask him why according to scripture why is it you believe that? Seems you're implying a person hasn't studied themselves and are just swallowing hook line and sinker whatever someone tells them or that they don't have their own mind. I also would like to know how you back up your material and I said so today and I never went so far as to pry and ask who are your teachers. As for me I wouldn't find that appropriate.
 
Don’t conflate spiritual Israel with physical Israel. That’s replacement theology which is unbiblical and makes void all the promises to the Jews in their land.
I find it interesting that so many people on this and other forums like to label things and the write them off as false.
Replacement theology, baptismal regeneration, faith only, preterist, pre-millennial, post-millennial, and the list goes on. If we can put a label on it, then we can write it off as unbiblical as an entire unit, and not look to see if there is a foundation of truth.

There is no "replacement" between the Church and Israel. They are just different names given in the different covenants for the same thing: those called out of the World to be God's People.
Romans 9
I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying,my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit— 2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race,4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants,the receiving of the law, the temple worshipand the promises. 5 Theirs are the patriarchs,and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised![a] Amen.

Romans 10
But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”[h] 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”[i]
19 Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,

“I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.”[j]
20 And Isaiah boldly says,

“I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.”[k]
21 But concerning Israel he says,

“All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people.

Romans 11
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
These verses say specifically that there will be some of the Jews who are not saved. Not all of those who are born part of Israel will be saved, and not all of those who are saved will be part of Israel.
 
I find it interesting that so many people on this and other forums like to label things and the write them off as false.
Replacement theology, baptismal regeneration, faith only, preterist, pre-millennial, post-millennial, and the list goes on. If we can put a label on it, then we can write it off as unbiblical as an entire unit, and not look to see if there is a foundation of truth.

There is no "replacement" between the Church and Israel. They are just different names given in the different covenants for the same thing: those called out of the World to be God's People.

These verses say specifically that there will be some of the Jews who are not saved. Not all of those who are born part of Israel will be saved, and not all of those who are saved will be part of Israel.
No it doesn't it says until the fullness of the gentiles are reached then God will bring Israel back to Him. The Church and Israel are 2 distinct peoples of God. The church did nor replace Israel. Because of their rejection the gentiles who were not the people of God became the people of God. God will bring Israel to repentance when He returns just like the passages I referenced teach.

hope this helps !!!
 
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