"Confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord” (Romans 10:9–13)

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“CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH THAT JESUS IS LORD” (ROMANS 10:9–13)

In Romans, Paul writes, “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved” (Rom. 10:9–10). In this famous text, which Christians often use when encouraging others to come to Christ for salvation, the apostle states that the saving confession is that “Jesus is Lord” (kyrios) and “that God raised him from the dead.” The confession “Jesus (Christ) is Lord” appears elsewhere in Paul’s epistles (1 Cor. 12:3; Phil. 2:11; cf. 2 Cor. 4:5) and in Acts in slightly different form (Acts 10:36), suggesting that it was likely a pre-Pauline confession familiar generally to Christians in his day. As Paul does regularly in his epistles, he refers in Romans 10 to Jesus as “Lord” and to the Father as “God.” That these are both divine titles in Paul’s usage will become clear as we proceed.3
Paul then states, “For the Scripture says, ‘Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame’ ” (v. 11). The word “for” (Greek, gar) indicates that Paul is citing this Old Testament reference as support for the statement he has just made about believing in Jesus as the risen Lord. The text is Isaiah 28:16, which Paul has just quoted earlier in the same passage: “They [unbelieving Israel] have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written, ‘Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame’ ” (Rom. 9:32b–33). (This is an example of an important principle of biblical interpretation: ignore chapter divisions!) Of course, Jesus is the “stumbling stone” and “rock of offense” in whom those Jews failed to believe for their salvation (see also Matt. 21:42–44; Mark 12:10–12; Luke 20:17–18; Acts 4:10–12; 1 Peter 2:6–8; cf. Eph. 2:20). Paul’s earlier use of Isaiah 28:16 confirms that “him” in Romans 10:11 refers to Jesus, who was just called “him” in verse 9:

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him [auton] from the dead.… For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him [autō] will not be put to shame.” (Rom. 10:9, 11)

Next, Paul writes, “For [gar] there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for [gar] the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him” (Rom. 10:12 NASB). Paul uses the conjunction gar twice here to signal that each successive statement provides justification for the one preceding. The reason why everyone who believes in Jesus will not be put to shame is that no distinction is made in this matter of salvation between Jew and non-Jew (“Greek”). Further, the reason why no distinction is made between Jew and Greek is that the same one is Lord (kyrios) “of all,” that is, of all people including Jews and Greeks.
As the italicized Lord in the NASB indicates, the Greek text actually uses the word kyrios here just once in verse 12. The Greek clause is usually translated “the same [Lord] is Lord of all” (LEB; NASB; cf. ESV, NRSV, etc.) or “the same Lord over all” (CSB, KJV, NKJV). Paul’s train of thought is essentially unaffected by this issue. In this context, the “Lord” here must be Jesus, the one just called “Lord” in verse 9. The argument chain using gar to link each statement from verse 9 down to verse 12 makes this clear. Paul uses the same pronoun autos used to mean “him” (i.e., Jesus) in verses 9 and 11, here in verse 12 with the definite article, meaning “the same [one].” Paul cannot be referring to this Lord as “the same” Lord if he is a different Lord than the one he has just mentioned!
Paul states that this same Lord, Jesus, is rich to save “all who call on him.” As we have already noted, calling on Jesus as Lord is an act of prayer, something the book of Acts says Paul himself did when he was baptized (Acts 9:14, 21; 22:16).
Paul then backs up what he is saying with another Scripture reference: “For [gar] ‘everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved’ ” (Rom. 10:13). This reference is Joel 2:32 (3:5 LXX), the same text that Peter quoted in the first Christian sermon (Acts 2:21). As we saw there, Peter applied Joel 2:32 to calling on Jesus Christ as Lord in baptism (Acts 2:38). Paul does exactly the same thing here in Romans 10, and in a more compressed, tightly argued manner. In context here, the “Lord” on whose name everyone calls for salvation (v. 13) must be “the same” one who is “Lord of all” and who is rich to save everyone who calls on him (v. 12). Since that Lord is Jesus (vv. 9–11), Paul’s quotation in verse 13 is clearly identifying Jesus as the “Lord” of Joel 2:32—who in the Hebrew text is called YHWH, or Jehovah.
Romans 10:12 is the crucial turning point in Paul’s argument chain, and as a result over the years it has particularly vexed Jehovah’s Witnesses, who insist that Jesus is not Jehovah. In a 1977 article, the Watchtower magazine admits the difficulty:

Romans 10:9 definitely refers to Jesus Christ as Lord, and the quotation from Isaiah 28:16 found in Romans 10:11, “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed,” also applies to Jesus. So if Romans 10:11 is to be directly linked with the Lord of Romans 10:12, the Lord referred to is Jesus Christ.

Of course, Romans 10:11 and 10:12 are directly linked, as we have just explained. But this poses a problem for the Watchtower Society, which is committed to translating kyrios as “Jehovah” in all Old Testament quotations where the Hebrew text has the name YHWH. Such is the case in the very next verse, as the Watchtower article explains:

Furthermore, Romans 10:13, a quotation from Joel 2:32, reads: “For ‘everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.’ ” Hence, if the calling on the Lord referred to in Romans 10:12 is the same as in Romans 10:13, Jehovah God is the Lord being referred to by Paul.

Based on the Society’s view of the divine name and its rejection of the identity of Jesus as Jehovah, the NWT renders kyrios as “Lord” in Romans 10:9, 12, but as “Jehovah” in 10:13. As we explained earlier (pp. 470–73), the manuscript evidence is overwhelmingly and unanimously against this supposed “restoration” of the divine name in Romans 10:13 or any other New Testament text. Moreover, the Watchtower’s dogmatic assumption that Paul must have meant to refer either to “the Lord Jesus Christ or the Lord Jehovah,” but not both, creates an exegetical difficulty for them in verse 12. Hence, the Watchtower article claims that the interpretation of Romans 10:12 was uncertain: “The identity of the one referred to as ‘Lord’ cannot be established with certainty from the context.” The Society repeats this material almost verbatim in its current Study Edition of the Bible. The identity of the one called “Lord” in Romans 10:12, however, is certainly Jesus Christ—leading to the conclusion that Paul does indeed identify Jesus as the Lord YHWH in 10:13.


J. Ed Komoszewski and Robert M. Bowman Jr., The Incarnate Christ and His Critics: A Biblical Defense (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Academic, 2024), 485–488.
 
1. In 1879 Charles Taze Russell affirmed "the Lord" in Romans 10:12 refers to Jesus.
2. In 1970 the Jehovah's Witnesses affirmed "the Lord" in Romans 10:12 refers to God.
3. In 1977 (referred to above) the Jehovah's Witnesses affirmed they were uncertain as to whom "the Lord" refers to in Romans 10:12.
4. In 2001 the Jehovah's Witnesses affirmed "the Lord" in Romans 10:12 refers to God.

The boldface below is mine.

1879
Watch Tower Reprints: "There is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord over all, is rich unto all that call upon him." Rom. 10:12. Here, as Joseph, Christ is the bountiful Breadgiver. (The Lordship of Christ, December 1879, Vol. 1, No. 6, page 61)

1970
Certainly in God’s new order under the long-promised kingdom of His dear Son, Jesus Christ, there will be no racial prejudice. Then, most definitely, all races will live together as brothers. No, not all people of all races, for not every person will receive the blessing of God and find life in that new order. But "all those calling upon him," irrespective of race, will be heard by God, ”for there is no distinction” with him.—Rom. 10:12.
(Can All Races Live Together as Brothers?, May 1, 1970, page 262)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1970320

1977
See the OP.

2001
Awake!: As the Christian congregation grew, its membership came to include people of all nations. Presiding at a Christian assembly in Jerusalem, the Jewish disciple James spoke of God as having “turned his attention to the [non-Jewish] nations to take out of them a people for his name.” As proof that this had been foretold, James then quoted a prophecy in the book of Amos in which Jehovah’s name appears.—Acts 15:2, 12-18; Amos 9:11, 12…Further confirming the universalness of Jehovah's Godship, Paul wrote: “There is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him.” (Romans 10:12) Yes, all obedient humankind can receive Jehovah’s blessing.
(Was Jehovah the Tribal God of the Jews?, May 8, 2001, page 21)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102001328
 
You wrote all that for nothing.
This is not a formula for salvation. Saul writes to a people in Rome and around Italy to a people ALREADY saved.
He is bringing encouragement to the Jews and Jewish Christians at Rome. He is not teaching a formula for salvation.
He is writing to a people in Rome ALREADY saved.
 
You wrote all that for nothing.
This is not a formula for salvation. Saul writes to a people in Rome and around Italy to a people ALREADY saved.
He is bringing encouragement to the Jews and Jewish Christians at Rome. He is not teaching a formula for salvation.
He is writing to a people in Rome ALREADY saved.

And that is how they (and all others) become saved.
 
And that is how they (and all others) become saved.
As the Scripture records in Saul's letter to Rome. He is writing to a people ALREADY saved.

1 PAUL, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Rom. 1:1-7

Unsaved, unbelievers are NEVER called saints (holy ones.)

In Romans 10:9-10 Saul is addressing a people ALREADY saved. He is quoting from the Old Testament. To take these words as a salvation formula is as wrong as you or anyone can get.
It is this passage most of all that is misunderstood and causes the true Church great harm. It fills the pews with unregenerated people and thus populates the church body with reprobates that know not Christ but most importantly, Christ does not know them.
What a shame. I can tell exactly who it will be that take the mark of the beast.
 
Paul's letters.

In fact, "Paul" is the very first word written in the Book of Romans.





Reminding them this is how they became saved.




I never affirmed otherwise.
In every conversion in the NT Jews were saved by an act of God and not the mouth or heart organ that pumps blood.
In every instance when an apostle was speaking - NOT OTHERS - when the Holy Spirit intervened and saved the person and when this happened the person was not speaking. So, how can you say salvation is of the tongue when it is not? Give me an example of this "salvation formula" you believe in. Where does it record someone using their mouth to become saved?
 
As the Scripture records in Saul's letter to Rome. He is writing to a people ALREADY saved.

1 PAUL, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Rom. 1:1-7

Unsaved, unbelievers are NEVER called saints (holy ones.)

In Romans 10:9-10 Saul is addressing a people ALREADY saved. He is quoting from the Old Testament. To take these words as a salvation formula is as wrong as you or anyone can get.
It is this passage most of all that is misunderstood and causes the true Church great harm. It fills the pews with unregenerated people and thus populates the church body with reprobates that know not Christ but most importantly, Christ does not know them.
What a shame. I can tell exactly who it will be that take the mark of the beast.
'That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart
that God hath raised Him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.'

(Rom 10:9-10)

Hello @jeremiah1five,

Paul was indeed talking to his own countrymen here, having dealt with their various perceived difficulties in receiving and obeying the gospel message: referring to the word of God spoken by Moses in order to do so. and this is his conclusion; showing the simplicity of the gospel message in the words quoted above. Yet this wonderful word of truth is equally true for all who hear the gospel message concerning the righteousness which is of God by faith, both Jew and Gentile.

May God take the scales from your eyes, soften your intransigent mindset, and enable you to see the truth as it is written uncoloured by bias.

Within the love and grace of God our Saviour,
Chris
 
'That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart
that God hath raised Him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.'

(Rom 10:9-10)

Hello @jeremiah1five,

Paul was indeed talking to his own countrymen here, having dealt with their various perceived difficulties in receiving and obeying the gospel message: referring to the word of God spoken by Moses in order to do so. and this is his conclusion; showing the simplicity of the gospel message in the words quoted above. Yet this wonderful word of truth is equally true for all who hear the gospel message concerning the righteousness which is of God by faith, both Jew and Gentile.

May God take the scales from your eyes, soften your intransigent mindset, and enable you to see the truth as it is written uncoloured by bias.

Within the love and grace of God our Saviour,
Chris
Fact: Jesus fulfilled the Law.
Fact: The Law where the sacrifice is concerned was sacrificed for the children of Israel not Gentiles.
Conclusion: In fulfilling the Law especially where the sacrifice is concerned, Jesus atoned for the sins of the children of Israel and NOT Gentiles. The high priest never sacrificed any animal for the sins of Gentiles.
 
'But I say unto you,
That every idle word that men shall speak,
they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.'

(Mat 12:36-37)
 
Romans 10:10
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom. 10:9–10.

This doesn't answer my question. I asked that you show me an actual conversion where the individual does the above and it results in conversion. The above passage is addressed to Israel who are already saved and is NOT a formula for salvation. The heart does not believe. The heart only pumps blood. The heart here refers to the 'whole being' of a person and believing is an act of the mind not the actual heart that pumps blood. And the confession of the mouth occurs after a person is saved as they give God the glory and may or may not speak tongues. The examples are in Acts 2 and elsewhere.

When Peter addressed the twelve tribes in Acts 2 God moved upon three thousand Jews and conversion was made. The same occurred with Cornelius, etc. AND THEN confession and profession of Christ is made. And every day after that thousands more were converted as Christ built His Church and populated it with Jews.
 
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom. 10:9–10.

This doesn't answer my question. I asked that you show me an actual conversion where the individual does the above and it results in conversion.

Romans 10:10

The Bible doesn't have to record things in ever place where you demand it when it already made it clear in R. 10:10.
 
Romans 10:10

The Bible doesn't have to record things in ever place where you demand it when it already made it clear in R. 10:10.
If you make a claim - which is what you did by passing off Romans 10:10 as a formula for salvation you must bring the Scripture to support it.
Romans 10:10 is NOT a formula for salvation. There is no Scripture that supports it. Salvation is an act of God, not men.
God calls, men respond. And once converted THEN belief is expressed, and confession is made that Jesus bar Joseph is their (Israel's) Messiah. It is the same with water baptism. To be baptized in the Name of Jesus is directed to Jews who rejected the historical Jesus as their Messiah. They must repent (change their mind) and accept Jesus of Nazareth as their long-awaited Messiah.
 
If you make a claim - which is what you did by passing off Romans 10:10 as a formula for salvation you must bring the Scripture to support it.

Romans 10:10 is Scripture.

Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: unto (the attainment of) salvation...Romans 10:10 (sōtēria, page 612).
 
Romans 10:10 is Scripture.

Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: unto (the attainment of) salvation...Romans 10:10 (sōtēria, page 612).
People are not saved in this fashion.

People in their unsaved, reprobate condition are blind to the truth. God must FIRST make the move and then one becomes saved:

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST], because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn 3:18–20.

And this is supported by:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Romans 3:11–18.

Salvation is OF THE LORD (Jonah 2:9.)
Salvation is monergistic. It is NOT synergistic.
There is such a thing as bondage in sin and inability to free oneself of their bondage and so God must first free the person and after that there is only one place to go: God.

There is such a thing as the lambs book of life. And God wrote the names of the souls that are predestined to salvation. He did this BEFORE He created heaven, earth, and man.
Rev. 13: 8.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13:8.

God is not waiting around to see who will accept Him. He is actively taking out a people for Himself:

Israel's Messiah was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Jesus said so Himself. And notice He was sent to Israel - not Gentiles.
Israel offered sacrifices to atone yearly for their sins until God could in the fulness of time send His very own sin to die for the children of Israel as the Lamb OF GOD and fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant. The high priest never offered sacrifices for Gentiles. And neither did Christ as the Lamb of God in place of the animal sacrifice died for the children of Israel in covenant with God, which is why Saul said:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

and

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Rom. 11:26–27.

And here is the prophecy of God doing exactly that:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer. 31:31.

and

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: For they shall all know me, From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: For I will forgive their iniquity, And I will remember their sin no more. Jer. 31:33–34.

The New Covenant - which is the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Christ - records Israel's salvation as an act of God with Israel doing nothing. It is their names that are written in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world.

Nothing more being said. God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and with his Hebrew seed. THEY are the inheritors of all God's promises of deliverance and salvation.
 
Romans 10:10 says otherwise.
Saul wrote those words to a people ALREADY saved so how can it be a formula for salvation when elsewhere in Scripture salvation is wrought through God's election and grace? Salvation does not come to a person through any act of the person to procure it. If it is through the tongue a person is saved, then grace is not grace but a work performed by the person.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:10–13.

Your interpretation of Romans 10:10 contradicts the way a person is truly saved.
 
Saul wrote those words to a people ALREADY saved so how can it be a formula for salvation when elsewhere in Scripture salvation is wrought through God's election and grace?

Reminding them and others who may read it the way they were saved.

God's election is performed through what is taught in Romans 10.
 
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