Christ's Finished Atonement or Christ's Failure Atonement

Kermos

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When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit (John 19:30).

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world (1 John 2:2.

Christ's finished atonement is for the whole world, and the whole world includes exclusively the persons whom the Christ chooses as recipients for Christ's atonement.

The Christ of us Christians says “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes atonement).

Christ's atonement is finished and complete and always succeeds as per the Christ saying “It is finished!"!

Christ's teaching is that atonement makes a person "at one" with God by God's grace for God's glory (John 17)!

On the contrary, Free-willian Philosophy results in Christ's failure atonement.

Christ's failure atonement is for the whole world, and the whole world includes everyone everywhere in all time because a person free-will chooses to Christ.

Free-willians believe that Christ's atonement is unfinished in that (1) a person chooses Christ in order to allow Christ's atonement to apply to the person and (2) Christ's atonement applies to everyone everywhere in all time and (3) Christ doesn't know who will choose Christ; therefore, every person who chooses Christ results in that person adding to the Body of Christ without Christ's choice/consent, so Christ's atonement is unfinished despite Christ saying “It is finished!".

Yet, free-willians also believe the whole world includes everyone everywhere in all time which means this example representing fleshly people, dead in sin, ungodly multitude, unbelievers applies to this examination of Free-willian Philosophy:
  • if Tom of the world chooses to believe in Christ before he dies, then God must profit Tom with eternal life being saved from the wrath of God.
  • if Nancy of the world chooses to believe not in Christ right until her dying thoughts, then God must punish Nancy with eternal damnation being under the wrath of God.
  • The conclusion: Christ's atonement succeeded in saving Tom of the world, and Christ's atonement failed in saving Nancy of the world.
So, free-willians believe in Christ's failure atonement.

We Christians know that Christ's atonement always succeeds!
 
So, free-willians believe in Christ's failure atonement.
How do we believe it to be a failure?
Can you quote any “free-willian” that Christ’s atonement failed?


We Christians know that Christ's atonement always succeeds!
Am I to take this to imply that we who disagree with your views are not Christians? Christ’s atonement reconciled the world to God:

2 Cor 5:16So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! 18All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

All people are reconciled to God through Christ! God can now forgive us; he has chosen to not hold our sins against us in order that we might become his righteousness. This is the message of the gospel- we have been reconciled to God; come to him and be received in Christ!

The atonement does not save in and of itself, it just allows God the means of forgiving so that salvation/reconciliation can be fulfilled. That’s why our message is “Be reconciled to God!”


Doug
 
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