Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?

[amazing grace]

You're getting closer because you accept there is no contradiction. So the title "Son of God" does not mean someone is God, nor them claiming to be God.

Yes, it does.

How so? I want to know how the title Son of God means Jesus is God?

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus was raised back up in same Physical body died in, but now glorified

Did you happen to notice his totally flesh ripped beaten body that the Scriptures say was barely recognizable as a human?

 

[Peterlag]

They all died confessing Jesus as their Lord and God

There's no verse that says anybody died confessing Jesus as their God.

 

[Peterlag]

You will be in too much pain to miss me. And I will be in too much joy to even remember you.

I look forward to meeting you.

 

[Doug Brents]

How so? I want to know how the title Son of God means Jesus is God?

You're not worthy to continue discussing this with. When you are ready to learn, and not just argue false doctrines all day, then I will explain it to you.

 

[Doug Brents]

I look forward to meeting you.

Sorry, you goats of the second resurrection will not mingle with us sheep from the first resurrection at Judgement. We will never meet on that side of the Resurrection.

 

[amazing grace]

You're not worthy to continue discussing this with. When you are ready to learn, and not just argue false doctrines all day, then I will explain it to you.

I'm not worthy? The one who confesses that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God is not worthy??

If you could explain it - you would. Why you can't explain it has nothing to do with me.

To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power, so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. [2 Thess. 1:11,12]

I wish you could see the distinction between God, our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord that is prevalent throughout scripture.

 

[Peterlag]

I'm not worthy? The one who confesses that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God is not worthy??

If you could explain it - you would. Why you can't explain it has nothing to do with me.

To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power, so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. [2 Thess. 1:11,12]

I wish you could see the distinction between God, our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord that is prevalent throughout scripture.

He hates me too.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Don't get me wrong, most of what you said is pretty good, but the Word isn't a god. I can see how you came to that conclusion since we know the Word is not The God according to John's divinely-inspired prologue. That makes the Word either personal or qualitative. You make a grammatically plausible argument, but things change fast outside of John 1. The Word is actually not a god anywhere in the Bible. 1 John 1:1-3 directly says the Word is a thing, eternal life, something Jesus had and revealed, not someone he is.

Notice the same Word John spoke of in John 1:1 is now a that, which, this, that, what, and it , but not a he, who, him, his. John 1:1 begins like a poem, digresses a bit, before continuing the poem. This kind of poem is something known in Jewish literature at the time of John's writing so that is how John's audience would have understood it and it would have been intuitive to them: The Word as creative, and embodying generally the divine will, is personified in Hebrew poetry (Psalm 33:6; Psalm 107:20; Psalm 147:15; Isaiah 55:10-11) They knew that spoken words are not a god and so do you and the timeframe of John 1 is beset in the beginning of Jesus' ministry in which the True Light came into the world when Jesus was already 30 years old (John 1:9) and he received this empowerment upon rising up from the water of his baptism (Acts 10:37,38)

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.

3We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And this fellowship of ours is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ. 4We write these things so that our joy may be complete.

Runningman:

Go back and read Post 1,082. look up and read the scriptures that I provided therein, namely: Psalm 90:2 which says God is from everlasting to everlasting (has no beginning and no end). Scripture says Jesus died and had to be resurrected back to life by Almighty God Jehovah (the Father). An everlasting person cannot die. Scripture refers to Jesus repeatedly as "begotten." (e.g. John 3:16 and John 1:18). In fact, scripture at John 1:18 says the following:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." John 1:18 -- King James Bible)

John 1 KJV

Numbers 23:19 says God is not a man. Jesus became human, which contradicts Numbers 23:19. He is not everlasting, because he died and had to be resurrected back to life. Scripture says "no man has seen God at any time." Hundreds of people saw Jesus during his 33 years on earth.

Now, if you want to keep arguing that John 1:1 at Clause #3 where it says "the Word was God" is a correct translation--despite the fact context tells the reader that it's a mistranslation by the Trinitarians who translated that particular verse of scripture--suit yourself.

 

[Runningman]

Runningman:

Go back and read Post 1,082. look up and read the scriptures that I provided therein, namely: Psalm 90:2 which says God is from everlasting to everlasting (has no beginning and no end). Scripture says Jesus died and had to be resurrected back to life by Almighty God Jehovah (the Father). An everlasting person cannot die. Scripture refers to Jesus repeatedly as "begotten." (e.g. John 3:16 and John 1:18). In fact, scripture at John 1:18 says the following:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." John 1:18 -- King James Bible)

John 1 KJV

Numbers 23:19 says God is not a man. Jesus became human, which contradicts Numbers 23:19. He is not everlasting, because he died and had to be resurrected back to life. Scripture says "no man has seen God at any time." Hundreds of people saw Jesus during his 33 years on earth.

Now, if you want to keep arguing that John 1:1 at Clause #3 where it says "the Word was God" is a correct translation--despite the fact context tells the reader that it's a mistranslation by the Trinitarians who translated that particular verse of scripture--suit yourself.

Pretty much agree with most of this. I am not saying the Word is God though.

 

[Runningman]

You're not worthy to continue discussing this with. When you are ready to learn, and not just argue false doctrines all day, then I will explain it to you.

Jesus quoted the below in John 10, proving that they are all gods, they are all sons of the Most High and that saying such should not be considered blasphemy, nor a claim to being God Almighty, contrary to their accusations and misunderstandings. I would also add that being a son of God means being a son of the Father, not being a son of Jesus. Being father or the Father is a title Jesus denied... meaning that when someone is a son of "God" the only God they are referring to in such cases is the Father. They defined God as the Father. That's it.

Psalm 82
6I have said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus quoted the below in John 10, proving that they are all gods, they are all sons of the Most High and that saying such should not be considered blasphemy, nor a claim to being God Almighty, contrary to their accusations and misunderstandings. I would also add that being a son of God means being a son of the Father, not being a son of Jesus. Being father or the Father is a title Jesus denied... meaning that when someone is a son of "God" the only God they are referring to in such cases is the Father. They defined God as the Father. That's it.

Psalm 82
6I have said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’

I'm told daily that I'm a false teacher, the antichrist, the son of the devil, and a false Prophet... meaning a devil's spirit working within me. But I find it a bit of a mild shock to my intelligence to be told I'm not worthy to have them throw their pearls at me, suggesting that I'm the swine of the Earth.

 

[JesusFan]

There's no verse that says anybody died confessing Jesus as their God.

Paul and peter died for jesus confessing that

 

[Peterlag]

Paul and peter died for jesus confessing that

Peter and Paul never died confessing Jesus as God and that's why there's no verse saying they did.

 

[Peterlag]