Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?

[mikesw]

This demonstrates severe biblical illiteracy on your part. Jesus identified the Father as the God of the Jews in John 8. Means YHWH is the Father and Jesus acknowledged their accuracy on this point.

John 8
54Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory means nothing. The One who glorifies Me is My Father, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’

that confirms that unitarians do not know where Jesus came from.

 

[360watt]

Let me ask you a question. If someone wrote you long letters about God and, when you read them, the only God they are mentioning the whole time was the Father, would you think they were defining God any differently than the Father? That's what the Bible is like. With Paul's exhaustive defining of God as the Father, he wasn't trying to hint about a different god. Just go with what Paul said, don't add to it and argue against him, and you will see clearly who God is.

So what you are proposing, likely to preserve your beliefs, is a fallacy called an argument from silence, i.e., "Paul didn't say Jesus that Jesus is not God, so we can't rule it out." is the same thing as saying "Paul didn't say God is not a cheese pizza, so we cannot rule it out." The scope of Paul's writings involved defining who God is, not in refuting all of the possible heretical teachings that were abounding The letters are just about getting the truth out there. I would like you to read the first few verses of all of Paul's letters please. Do you see how he opens every letter with saying God is the Father?

The logic im using, is if Jesus is doing things only God can do in other parts of scripture.. then affirming the Father is God, doesn't mean Jesus isn't God.

 

[Runningman]

The logic im using, is if Jesus is doing things only God can do in other parts of scripture.. then affirming the Father is God, doesn't mean Jesus isn't God.

Yeah. I totally get that. The walking on water, weather control, healings, resurrections, etc. That's not normal human stuff. Then we have the matter of the disciples and other prophets doing it too. So I don't really see those as affirmations of the deity of Jesus or others. I see that those people were empowered by God.

 

[e v e]

Outer space being heaven is satanic? Ok, we'll see about that. So Jesus ascended to heaven right? Did he ascend to the sky or a spiritual realm known as heaven?

sigh.