Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?

Correction: The ignorance of those attempting to know GOD apart from the LORD leads to religion and Death!!!

Without THREE, no one could be Saved!!!

TRUTH #1 FATHER God and JESUS CHRIST= John 17
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

TRUTH #2 JESUS CHRIST to the FATHER = John 14:6
Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

TRUTH #3 HOLY SPIRIT = Mark 3:29
“Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter;
but he who blasphemes
against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”

HONOR all THREE or you die in your sins!!!
The part you're missing in your formula is knowing the Father as the only true God. You seem to have glossed over what the word "only" means here. In the Greek, monos means alone, only, solitary, single. So the Father is alone the true God, singularly the true God, the only true God, solitarily the true God. So this excludes any other possible persons from being the true God with the Father, i.e., the "Holy Spirit" and "Jesus Christ" are not separate persons who are God. Learn who God is first and the rest will fall into place. If you do not believe the Father is the only true God, you do not have eternal life.

Jesus said below regarding the requirement for eternal life:

John 5
24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

So let me ask you to test your understanding. Who sent Jesus Christ according to John 17:3?
 
That is so bad of interpretation of scripture. If Jesus were the Father he would not be the Son of the Father. You are trying to find a silly alternative to the deity of Christ. No wonder you cannot comprehend things. YOu replace well-found explanations with silly ones and then reject the real doctrines based on the silly ones.
AGAIN. No Christians that i know of say Jesus is a separate god. Stop attacking straw men and try to come up with a real argument against the testimony of scripture of the deity of Christ. You do this to try to argue for a novel, new, gnostic, private interpretation. For those to be followed, you better try to figure out some good arguments for your weird views.
John 17:3 is still there. You have not undone or displaced what it says, informed it, changed it, or nullified it with your running away to John 17:5.
 
John 17:3 is still there. You have not undone or displaced what it says, informed it, changed it, or nullified it with your running away to John 17:5.
The problem of unitarian interpretation is that they isolate a verse and worship that verse while not keeping the context of scripture nor of the situation of a passage. This is never to dismiss that the preexistent One becoming flesh as Jesus. The verse is showing that Jesus has revealed what the disciples and all Jews had failed to do earlier, namely to have a recognition who God truly is. They know him as Father. It is still below the surface of familiarity to identify that the glory Jesus had with the Father is due to the preexistence One being God and now becoming incarnate. I really share too much with unitarians since they just seek to find a different Jesus than found in scripture.
 
The problem of unitarian interpretation is that they isolate a verse and worship that verse while not keeping the context of scripture nor of the situation of a passage. This is never to dismiss that the preexistent One becoming flesh as Jesus. The verse is showing that Jesus has revealed what the disciples and all Jews had failed to do earlier, namely to have a recognition who God truly is. They know him as Father. It is still below the surface of familiarity to identify that the glory Jesus had with the Father is due to the preexistence One being God and now becoming incarnate. I really share too much with unitarians since they just seek to find a different Jesus than found in scripture.
The Father as God alone is supported throughout the Bible. God is identified as a singular He, Him, His, I, and You but never a They, Them, We, Us, Our, etc.

After explicitly saying that God is a singular person, the Bible explicitly says that God created alone, which is in line with being a singular person. Singular persons are alone, persons in a group are not alone. (Isaiah 44:24, Nehemiah 9:6, Job 9:87, Isaiah 45:18)

God is only ever referred to as Father (Isaiah 63:16, Isaiah 64:8, Jeremiah 3:19, Malachi 1:6) but never Son.

Additionally, God referred to Himself as a singular person again, saying "there is no God besides Me" (Isaiah 45:5, Deut. 6:4, 32:29, Isaiah 44:6,8, etc)

If that wasn't enough, Jesus explicitly defined God as the Father (John 17:3) so did Paul (1 Corinthians 8:6) and everyone believed Jesus is a man with a God just like everyone else.

So we Unitarians claim victory about who God is, citing overwhelming Scriptural support.

With all of that being said, of course when Jesus stated that eternal life is that "they may know You, the only true God" it wasn't a reference to a trinity or some concept of god foreign to Scripture. I won't say that trinitarians cannot have eternal life, but I know it will be weird in heaven watching trinitarians practicing idolatry, which will never fly. I hope people are given a chance to repent and change, as a I know most of your kind are just deceived, well-meaning, and would flee to the truth if they found it. The ones that worry me as the more extreme types like yourself that seem unable to believe the testimony of Scripture. I truly believe that there is a spiritual component to your spiritual imprisonment and blindness. I post most of what I do for the benefit of others.
 
The part you're missing in your formula is knowing the Father as the only true God.
The Part you fatally erred from is this = Matthew 11:27

All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father.
Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
and this = John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for you, or anyone, to know the only true God apart from JESUS CHRIST
 
The Father as God alone is supported throughout the Bible. God is identified as a singular He, Him, His, I, and You but never a They, Them, We, Us, Our, etc.
oh wow. you shared the obvious point about there being one God. Congratulations to reaching the starting point, even though you fall short of the end of the race.
After explicitly saying that God is a singular person, the Bible explicitly says that God created alone, which is in line with being a singular person. Singular persons are alone, persons in a group are not alone. (Isaiah 44:24, Nehemiah 9:6, Job 9:87, Isaiah 45:18)
You misapply "person" to God unless you want to go with the philosophical sense of the Trinitarian doctrine.

You again get a partial truth by noting there are not other gods involved in creation. Again that leaves you at the starting point of discussion rather than getting you into the real discussion. Let's take a tally here.
Isa 44:24 just says God is the maker and no other gods did this.
Neh 9:6 again says the same thing.
Job 9:7 says the same thing
Isaiah 45:18 speaks of "he" but no one is saying that God is typically described in the feminine
You have shown that only one God exists. That does not get you out of the starting gate in any debate.

God is only ever referred to as Father (Isaiah 63:16, Isaiah 64:8, Jeremiah 3:19, Malachi 1:6) but never Son.
Isaiah 63:16 Indeed the focus is on God as the Father. The Son has not been shared in that light yet.
Isaiah 64:8 is also showing Yahweh as "our Father." So you are sort of in the range of NT points.
Jeremiah 3:19 gets you into close to NT topics too by also having followers refer to the Father as "my Father"
Malachi 1:6 of course is an easy mistake to make when you just try to proof text weak arguments

The point you try to make of course is ridiculous since no one is simply a child of a son. The correct concept is people are born of a Father. So you have basic elementary school teaching figured out -- or maybe just arriving to figuring it out.
Additionally, God referred to Himself as a singular person again, saying "there is no God besides Me" (Isaiah 45:5, Deut. 6:4, 32:29, Isaiah 44:6,8, etc)
Uh. Polytheism is not a doctrine held by any Christians I know. So certainly God usually is mentioned in the singular. As to Deut 32:29, I'm not sure why you put yourself in the position of Israel in discerning its future.

Of course, Isa 44:5,8 again wisely point to monotheism. You have again put yourself at the starting gate of the debate rather than entering the race.
If that wasn't enough, Jesus explicitly defined God as the Father (John 17:3) so did Paul (1 Corinthians 8:6) and everyone believed Jesus is a man with a God just like everyone else.
Oops. Your horse does not have horse shoes on for the race. You have to go back to the stable. Paul shows Jesus as "
one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." That is the same quality as of the Father. That means your race horse does not even have a saddle yet. You will have to find one quickly.

So we Unitarians claim victory about who God is, citing overwhelming Scriptural support.
Maybe you will have something to offer once you get your horse to the starting gate. But you have much to do before you reach that point. Maybe you have been playing a game or simulation of the race and have not transitioned to the actual race track.
With all of that being said, of course when Jesus stated that eternal life is that "they may know You, the only true God" it wasn't a reference to a trinity or some concept of god foreign to Scripture. I won't say that trinitarians cannot have eternal life, but I know it will be weird in heaven watching trinitarians practicing idolatry, which will never fly. I hope people are given a chance to repent and change, as a I know most of your kind are just deceived, well-meaning, and would flee to the truth if they found it. The ones that worry me as the more extreme types like yourself that seem unable to believe the testimony of Scripture. I truly believe that there is a spiritual component to your spiritual imprisonment and blindness. I post most of what I do for the benefit of others.
So, you say to have eternal life that we must forget that the scripture points to the deity of Christ. That sounds rather backwards.
If Christians are deceived, you should have come out with a sufficient argument to deny the testimony of scripture about the preexisting One who was with God and was God and now had become incarnate as Christ.

If you want to post stuff for the "benefit" of "others," you will have to get your horse out of the stables. Also, you will have to avoid those passages that speak of the deity of Christ; those are really interrupting your game.
 
The Part you fatally erred from is this = Matthew 11:27

All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father.
Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
and this = John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for you, or anyone, to know the only true God apart from JESUS CHRIST
The messiah's instrumentality doesn't negate the Father's exclusive deity. Of course, these concepts work together, one doesn't change the other or contradict the other. The Father is still God alone and Jesus is still the messiah. It's like you're saying it, but you can't quite accept it.
 
oh wow. you shared the obvious point about there being one God. Congratulations to reaching the starting point, even though you fall short of the end of the race.

You misapply "person" to God unless you want to go with the philosophical sense of the Trinitarian doctrine.

You again get a partial truth by noting there are not other gods involved in creation. Again that leaves you at the starting point of discussion rather than getting you into the real discussion. Let's take a tally here.
Isa 44:24 just says God is the maker and no other gods did this.
Neh 9:6 again says the same thing.
Job 9:7 says the same thing
Isaiah 45:18 speaks of "he" but no one is saying that God is typically described in the feminine
You have shown that only one God exists. That does not get you out of the starting gate in any debate.


Isaiah 63:16 Indeed the focus is on God as the Father. The Son has not been shared in that light yet.
Isaiah 64:8 is also showing Yahweh as "our Father." So you are sort of in the range of NT points.
Jeremiah 3:19 gets you into close to NT topics too by also having followers refer to the Father as "my Father"
Malachi 1:6 of course is an easy mistake to make when you just try to proof text weak arguments

The point you try to make of course is ridiculous since no one is simply a child of a son. The correct concept is people are born of a Father. So you have basic elementary school teaching figured out -- or maybe just arriving to figuring it out.

Uh. Polytheism is not a doctrine held by any Christians I know. So certainly God usually is mentioned in the singular. As to Deut 32:29, I'm not sure why you put yourself in the position of Israel in discerning its future.

Of course, Isa 44:5,8 again wisely point to monotheism. You have again put yourself at the starting gate of the debate rather than entering the race.

Oops. Your horse does not have horse shoes on for the race. You have to go back to the stable. Paul shows Jesus as "
one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." That is the same quality as of the Father. That means your race horse does not even have a saddle yet. You will have to find one quickly.


Maybe you will have something to offer once you get your horse to the starting gate. But you have much to do before you reach that point. Maybe you have been playing a game or simulation of the race and have not transitioned to the actual race track.

So, you say to have eternal life that we must forget that the scripture points to the deity of Christ. That sounds rather backwards.
If Christians are deceived, you should have come out with a sufficient argument to deny the testimony of scripture about the preexisting One who was with God and was God and now had become incarnate as Christ.

If you want to post stuff for the "benefit" of "others," you will have to get your horse out of the stables. Also, you will have to avoid those passages that speak of the deity of Christ; those are really interrupting your game.
God is a He, Him, His, I, You, etc. Don't nuke it. Just one person known as YHWH the Father who alone is the true God. Scripture says so. Argue until you're red in the face as it won't change and I won't stop showing people what the Bible says.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
 
God is a He, Him, His, I, You, etc. Don't nuke it. Just one person known as YHWH the Father who alone is the true God. Scripture says so. Argue until you're red in the face as it won't change and I won't stop showing people what the Bible says.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
Again we see the one-verse unitarian. One verse overrides all that has been said about the preexisting Word who was with God and was God and became flesh. Another observation on that verse is that the Word cannot be God unless an actual conscious One as one within the Godhead. Oh right. You reject Greek Grammar so you can make it a tautological statement of something of God being uhhh godly. Excuse me. I gotta get out of here before I add a sarcastic response to your explanation.
 
Again we see the one-verse unitarian. One verse overrides all that has been said about the preexisting Word who was with God and was God and became flesh. Another observation on that verse is that the Word cannot be God unless an actual conscious One as one within the Godhead. Oh right. You reject Greek Grammar so you can make it a tautological statement of something of God being uhhh godly. Excuse me. I gotta get out of here before I add a sarcastic response to your explanation.
I just showed you all of the ways in which the Father is the only true God, from being called a singular He from cover to cover, creating alone, explicitly stated to be the only God by God Himself, the prophets, and throughout the New Testament, and you still don't believe it. It just seems to be an endless supply of hot air coming from you. Let's be clear, you are a trinitarian, not a Christian. Some day, there will be no arguing, only you in a corner getting a talking to on judgement day. Do you really want to risk it all over a big ego?
 
I just showed you all of the ways in which the Father is the only true God, from being called a singular He from cover to cover, creating alone, explicitly stated to be the only God by God Himself, the prophets, and throughout the New Testament, and you still don't believe it. It just seems to be an endless supply of hot air coming from you. Let's be clear, you are a trinitarian, not a Christian. Some day, there will be no arguing, only you in a corner getting a talking to on judgement day. Do you really want to risk it all over a big ego?
No one said the Father is a false god. Your arguments are not able to deny the deity of Christ. Why should I follow your novel, new, gnostics, private interpretation? You have to offer an argument to show why the testimony of scripture to the deity of Christ is wrong. You would have to assume that the billion or so Christians before you were all wrong.
 
No one said the Father is a false god. Your arguments are not able to deny the deity of Christ. Why should I follow your novel, new, gnostics, private interpretation? You have to offer an argument to show why the testimony of scripture to the deity of Christ is wrong. You would have to assume that the billion or so Christians before you were all wrong.
The trinity is a false god, though. No mention of God being a they or them who created together. No one mentioned the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" being that one god or that they are the only true god. Your narrative doesn't even exist in the Bible. The point is that your beliefs about God are wrong. I am showing you what the truth about God is according to God and the prophets,.
 
The trinity is a false god, though. No mention of God being a they or them who created together. No one mentioned the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" being that one god or that they are the only true god. Your narrative doesn't even exist in the Bible. The point is that your beliefs about God are wrong. I am showing you what the truth about God is according to God and the prophets,.
Wow. Now you are against God overall by making a false god out of the God of Israel. All you have to do to is show the testimony of scripture about the deity of Christ is wrong. You have failed to do that so far. I have shown the big errors of your Sadducean views. If you can get beyond those, maybe you can create an argument to favor your private interpretations.
I showed a big error in your claim that the Word is godly. You keep persisting in basic interpretation errors even when they have been pointed out.
 
Wow. Now you are against God overall by making a false god out of the God of Israel. All you have to do to is show the testimony of scripture about the deity of Christ is wrong. You have failed to do that so far. I have shown the big errors of your Sadducean views. If you can get beyond those, maybe you can create an argument to favor your private interpretations.
I showed a big error in your claim that the Word is godly. You keep persisting in basic interpretation errors even when they have been pointed out.
In summary of my last several comments, we have now proven that only the Father is the God of Israel based on the preponderance of evidence but that the trinity isn't the god of Israel.

We can also see that Peter didn't believe that Jesus is the God of Israel, that Jesus didn't resurrect himself, etc.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him. 14You rejected the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. 15You killed the Author of life, but God raised Him from the dead, and we are witnesses of this fact.

Paul didn't believe Jesus is God:


1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

John didn't believe Jesus is God:

Acts 4
23On their release, Peter and John returned to their own people and reported everything that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
27...Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
 
The trinity is a false god, though. No mention of God being a they or them who created together. No one mentioned the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" being that one god or that they are the only true god. Your narrative doesn't even exist in the Bible. The point is that your beliefs about God are wrong. I am showing you what the truth about God is according to God and the prophets,.
You can't even get past John 1:1 without unitarianism being bombed out of existence. 💣
 
In summary of my last several comments, we have now proven that only the Father is the God of Israel based on the preponderance of evidence but that the trinity isn't the god of Israel.

We can also see that Peter didn't believe that Jesus is the God of Israel, that Jesus didn't resurrect himself, etc.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him. 14You rejected the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. 15You killed the Author of life, but God raised Him from the dead, and we are witnesses of this fact.

Paul didn't believe Jesus is God:

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

John didn't believe Jesus is God:

Acts 4
23On their release, Peter and John returned to their own people and reported everything that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
27...Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
Funny how you think you have established some earlier baseline before going on to another bad argument. The problem is not about the Father being God. The issues failed to address is that Jesus is also God, but not a separate god. You position your argument against those who expect a polytheist scenario.
 
Funny how you think you have established some earlier baseline before going on to another bad argument. The problem is not about the Father being God. The issues failed to address is that Jesus is also God, but not a separate god. You position your argument against those who expect a polytheist scenario.
Just the Bible only refers to the Father as God Almighty.
 
You miss how the NT points to the deity of Christ and being preexistent as the Word -- being with God and being God. You can live in the OT but you will not have eternal life through the OT
 
You miss how the entire Bible speaks nothing about that. John didn't believe Jesus is God (Acts 4:23-24,27)

Jesus is the Sovereign Lord's servant, not the one addressed as the Creator or Sovereign Lord.

Acts 4
23On their release, Peter and John returned to their own people and reported everything that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
27...Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
 
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