Christ sinful through the "seed of the woman"?

[praise_yeshua]

The ignorance involved with the doctrines of the Holy Trinity is significant at times among Christians.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

There are two seeds to any HUMAN being. Two seeds. It is impossible for human being to exist without the seed of man and the seed of the women. Eve sinned. Adam sinned. To claim their offspring is innate sinful because of the seed of just the man is utter preposterous.

Christ was/is 100 percent human in the Incarnation. 100 percent. To make the claims some make concerning the "seed of the Father" in Christ is preposterous. Christ has always been Eternal. Always. As such, this Essence of Divinity was combined in the seed of the women (sinful women) through the operation of the Holy Spirit. In such, Christ was/is 100 percent human. As such. He was weak. As such He suffered in 100 percent of our humanity.

 

[101G]

The ignorance involved with the doctrines of the Holy Trinity is significant at times among Christians.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

There are two seeds to any HUMAN being. Two seeds. It is impossible for human being to exist without the seed of man and the seed of the women. Eve sinned. Adam sinned. To claim their offspring is innate sinful because of the seed of just the man is utter preposterous.

Christ was/is 100 percent human in the Incarnation. 100 percent. To make the claims some make concerning the "seed of the Father" in Christ is preposterous. Christ has always been Eternal. Always. As such, this Essence of Divinity was combined in the seed of the women (sinful women) through the operation of the Holy Spirit. In such, Christ was/is 100 percent human. As such. He was weak. As such He suffered in 100 percent of our humanity.

Son of God is 100% flesh bone and blood. but the Son of Man who was in the Son of God, or house or the temple is 100% Spirit that was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that natural flesh bone and blood.
The Son of God is flesh bone and blood that came out of Mary. the Son of Man is Spirit that came from Heaven. and that flesh was "was made in the likeness of men" was not of Men but of the Holy Spirit. supportive scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Son of God is 100% flesh bone and blood. but the Son of Man who was in the Son of God, or house or the temple is 100% Spirit that was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that natural flesh bone and blood.
The Son of God is flesh bone and blood that came out of Mary. the Son of Man is Spirit that came from Heaven. and that flesh was "was made in the likeness of men" was not of Men but of the Holy Spirit. supportive scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

101G.

So you believe the seed of the "Person" of the Holy Spirit joined with the seed of Mary?

The Spirit of God was involved relative to Mary but the Divine Person of Christ became Incarnate in joining with the seed of Mary. Not some "seed of the Spirit".

 

[101G]

So you believe the seed of the "Person" of the Holy Spirit joined with the seed of Mary?

The Spirit of God was involved relative to Mary but the Divine Person of Christ became Incarnate in joining with the seed of Mary. Not some "seed of the Spirit".

the Holy Spirit has no "NATURAL" seed. Mary is only a surrogate mother. for flesh is only produce. the Spirit is never conceived or born.
the divine person, his body/temple, was made by the Spirit. in Mary's womb, but not he himself, (the Spirit). supportive scripture. Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:" the "me" and the body is not the same.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

the Holy Spirit has no "NATURAL" seed. Mary is only a surrogate mother. for flesh is only produce. the Spirit is never conceived or born.
the divine person, his body/temple, was made by the Spirit. in Mary's womb, but not he himself, (the Spirit). supportive scripture. Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:" the "me" and the body is not the same.

101G.

Only a surrogate? What happened to the Priestly work of Christ?

Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

[101G]

Only a surrogate? What happened to the Priestly work of Christ?

which has nothing to do with Mary being a surrogate. as for the Priestly work of Christ? scripture, read all of 2 Corinthians 5

Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

and now that which came out of Mary is NO MORE. after reading 2 Corinthians chapter 5. 2 Corinthians 5:16 "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more." 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

and why new creatures? read Hebrews chapter 9.

101/g.

 

[101G]

@praise_yeshua,
if Mary is not a surrogate mother, who then is the NATURAL father of the Son of God? think before you answer.

101G.

 

[Jeff]

There are two seeds to any HUMAN being. Two seeds. It is impossible for human being to exist without the seed of man and the seed of the women. Eve sinned. Adam sinned. To claim their offspring is innate sinful because of the seed of just the man is utter preposterous.​

Actually women do not have seeds they have eggs​

​

What does Genesis 3:15 mean?​

In direct response to the serpent's deception and Adam's and Eve's disobedience, God pronounces curses on each of them, as well as on the generations to follow.

In the previous verse, God began his curse on both the serpent and on Satan, who took the serpent's form or body. In this verse, the curse is focused entirely on Satan. God promises to make enemies of Satan and the woman. In fact, their offspring—or "seed"—will remain enemies throughout all generations.

Eve's offspring, of course, includes all of humanity, born one generation after another up to the present day. But who is Satan's offspring? It's unlikely this refers to actual biological children of the Devil. Satan's offspring may include all of the fallen angels, demons, who will follow him. It definitely includes those humans who will come to believe and practice his lies.

Jesus, calling out the Jewish religious leaders in John 8:44, said this: "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

God's final curse or oracle to the serpent was that the offspring of the woman will crush, or bruise, Satan's head, and Satan would strike or bruise his heel. Many Bible scholars see this as a reference to Christ, the Son of God, and also the ultimate member of Eve's offspring. Satan would damage Christ, but He would have the ultimate victory on behalf of humanity. Those in Christ will celebrate the victory with Him for eternity.

The bottom line of God's curse on Satan is this: He has been the enemy of humanity since the beginning. He can never be trusted. As Peter wrote, he continues to hunt and seek to devour humans to this very day (1 Peter 5:8), though he won't be allowed to do so forever. BibleRef

 

[praise_yeshua]

@praise_yeshua,
if Mary is not a surrogate mother, who then is the NATURAL father of the Son of God? think before you answer.

101G.

Never said Christ had a natural father. Quote me. I'm being exacting in my questions and responses. Christ had a natural mother. Christ was/is of the seed of Mary. You know... " an egg" from Mary"s ovary. You came from an egg right?

 

[praise_yeshua]

which has nothing to do with Mary being a surrogate. as for the Priestly work of Christ? scripture, read all of 2 Corinthians 5

and now that which came out of Mary is NO MORE. after reading 2 Corinthians chapter 5. 2 Corinthians 5:16 "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more." 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

and why new creatures? read Hebrews chapter 9.

101/g.

That new creature is incomplete. We know Christ no more after the flesh because He ascended. Don't believe everything someone tells you. You didn't get this from the Scriptures. You got it from some man somewhere.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Actually women do not have seeds they have eggs​

​

What does Genesis 3:15 mean?​

In direct response to the serpent's deception and Adam's and Eve's disobedience, God pronounces curses on each of them, as well as on the generations to follow.

In the previous verse, God began his curse on both the serpent and on Satan, who took the serpent's form or body. In this verse, the curse is focused entirely on Satan. God promises to make enemies of Satan and the woman. In fact, their offspring—or "seed"—will remain enemies throughout all generations.

Eve's offspring, of course, includes all of humanity, born one generation after another up to the present day. But who is Satan's offspring? It's unlikely this refers to actual biological children of the Devil. Satan's offspring may include all of the fallen angels, demons, who will follow him. It definitely includes those humans who will come to believe and practice his lies.

Jesus, calling out the Jewish religious leaders in John 8:44, said this: "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

God's final curse or oracle to the serpent was that the offspring of the woman will crush, or bruise, Satan's head, and Satan would strike or bruise his heel. Many Bible scholars see this as a reference to Christ, the Son of God, and also the ultimate member of Eve's offspring. Satan would damage Christ, but He would have the ultimate victory on behalf of humanity. Those in Christ will celebrate the victory with Him for eternity.

The bottom line of God's curse on Satan is this: He has been the enemy of humanity since the beginning. He can never be trusted. As Peter wrote, he continues to hunt and seek to devour humans to this very day (1 Peter 5:8), though he won't be allowed to do so forever. BibleRef

So you don't believe Genesis 3:15. I quoted it.

You are yourself a combination of genetic material from both the male and the women. You're not a clone.

The Greek OT is clear. The word is seed in the Scriptures.

Satan has no physical offspring nor seeds. You're conflating.

Paul talked of how Timothy was his son after the faith and how be "begot" them through the Gospel. Faith to faith. That is how it has always worked. One person sharing their faith with another to the degree that faith becomes their own.

 

[101G]

Eve's offspring, of course, includes all of humanity, born one generation after another up to the present day. But who is Satan's offspring? It's unlikely this refers to actual biological children of the Devil. Satan's offspring may include all of the fallen angels, demons, who will follow him. It definitely includes those humans who will come to believe and practice his lies.

GINOLJC, to all
Jeff, you're 50% correct. you said, "But who is Satan's offspring? It's unlikely this refers to actual biological children of the Devil. " 100% correct there. Satan children's or CHILD are not biological children of the Devil. here these offsprings as well as God's offspring is in reference to moral characteristics, or one's character. According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words the term Son means,
[ 1,,G5207, huios ] primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics (See below). It is used in the NT of (a) male offspring, Gal 4:30; (b) legitimate, as opposed to illegitimate offspring, Heb 12:8; (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27; (d) friends attending a wedding, Matt 9:15; (e) those who enjoy certain privileges, Acts 3:25; (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14; (h) the destiny that corresponds with the character, whether evil, Matt 23:15; John 17:12; 2Thess 2:3, or good, Luke 20:36; (i) the dignity of the relationship with God whereinto men are brought by the Holy Spirit when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, Rom 8:19; Gal 3:26. ...

so, you're correct there in reference to NOT being biological/offspring children of the Devil.

then you said, "Satan's offspring may include all of the fallen angels, demons, who will follow him. It definitely includes those humans who will come to believe and practice his lies." correct... "Follow him", or act like him, or have the same character, or the same moral characteristics as their father the devil. scriptural example. Matthew 3:7 "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

so, were these men slithering on the ground? no, of course not. John the Baptist called them vipers because of their moral characteristics, or character they displayed.

Jesus, calling out the Jewish religious leaders in John 8:44, said this: "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

Correct see above.

God's final curse or oracle to the serpent was that the offspring of the woman will crush, or bruise, Satan's head, and Satan would strike or bruise his heel. Many Bible scholars see this as a reference to Christ, the Son of God, and also the ultimate member of Eve's offspring. Satan would damage Christ, but He would have the ultimate victory on behalf of humanity. Those in Christ will celebrate the victory with Him for eternity.

the heel and the head are at the CROSS, where our Lord was victorious. his heel..... struck a blow of DEATH. which through death ... bring many sons to God. Romans 5:21 "That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord." Sin was stopped at the cross. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Colossians 1:21 "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled" Colossians 1:22 "In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:"

2 Timothy 1:9 "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began," 2 Timothy 1:10 "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"

Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" Hebrews 2:15 "And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham." Hebrews 2:17 "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." Hebrews 2:18 "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."

101G.

 

[101G]

Never said Christ had a natural father. Quote me. I'm being exacting in my questions and responses. Christ had a natural mother.

Christ did not even have a Natural mother, AGAIN .... QUOTE 101G. "Jesus the Christ, (note the Christ), never had a NATURAL Conceived Mother. only a surrogate birth mother. please note 101G said, Christ only had a NATURAL BIRTH MOTHER. now listen carefully, Jesus the Lord IS WITHOUT MOTHER, and WITHOUT FATHER.......(smile)...... understand?

You know... " an egg" from Mary"s ovary. You came from an egg right?

where in the bible, that it says Mary's egg was Used. post book chapter, and verse please. now 101G have scripture that say ..... "that which is conceived in her, (not BY her), is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

so, if anyone want to go biological route, (which is gross Ignorance), then the Holy Spirit holds the title Father.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Christ did not even have a Natural mother, AGAIN .... QUOTE 101G. "Jesus the Christ, (note the Christ), never had a NATURAL Conceived Mother. only a surrogate birth mother. please note 101G said, Christ only had a NATURAL BIRTH MOTHER. now listen carefully, Jesus the Lord IS WITHOUT MOTHER, and WITHOUT FATHER.......(smile)...... understand?

No need to do this "crazy" third person response you're giving.

I know what you said. What you said is divorced from realty. I'm arguing against you position. You're assuming your position is correct. It is not. You're just repeating yourself.

I know the argument well. It is a stupid argument based upon a very silly interpretation of teaching of the priestly order of Melchizedek. Melchizedek was a real person. He was the king of Salem during the time of Abraham. It establish the facts that a priestly order existed BEFORE AARON. Nothing more. Melchizedek was born, lived, and ruled Salem. Which was a conquered city that became Jerusalem. Expand your mind.

where in the bible, that it says Mary's egg was Used. post book chapter, and verse please. now 101G have scripture that say ..... "that which is conceived in her, (not BY her), is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

I already have. Several times now in this thread.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

It is unmistakable.

so, if anyone want to go biological route, (which is gross Ignorance), then the Holy Spirit holds the title Father.

101G.

Was Jesus Christ a biological human? Stick around. Don't run away. You said something very silly just now. Live with it or change your statement.

Christ was 100 percent a biological human carrying the traits of the Jewish race through the biological seed of Mary.

I can't 100 percent explain how God and flesh can coexist but I know God is powerful enough to do just that. I also can determine several facts relative to the Incarnation from the Scriptures. You're listen to unlearned men.

 

[101G]

Melchizedek. Melchizedek was a real person. He was the king of Salem during the time of Abraham. It establish the facts that a priestly order existed BEFORE AARON. Nothing more. Melchizedek was born, lived, and ruled Salem. Which was a conquered city that became Jerusalem. Expand your mind.

Hebrews 7:1 "For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;" Hebrews 7:2 "To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;" Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." Hebrews 7:4 "Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils."

now, is Melchisedec the HIGH PRIEST, or just a Priest? yes or NO...... (smile).

 

[praise_yeshua]

Hebrews 7:1 "For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;" Hebrews 7:2 "To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;" Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." Hebrews 7:4 "Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils."

now, is Melchisedec the HIGH PRIEST, or just a Priest? yes or NO...... (smile).

Do you really think I don't know these words? I just told you about them........

There is no recorded beginning or death of Melchizedek. Melchizedek was a very real human being. The priestly work of Christ is an empathetic appeal to knowing us after the flesh.

Consider changing.

 

[101G]

Do you really think I don't know these words? I just told you about them........

There is no recorded beginning or death of Melchizedek. Melchizedek was a very real human being. The priestly work of Christ is an empathetic appeal to knowing us after the flesh.

Consider changing.

ERROR, two questions. A. is Melchizedek a priest or the HIGH PRIEST. B. was Melchizedek Made or Born? (smile), please answer.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

ERROR, two questions. A. is Melchizedek a priest or the HIGH PRIEST. B. was Melchizedek Made or Born? (smile), please answer.

101G.

A. False comparison. There is only single PRIEST/HIGH PRIEST after the order of Melchizedek. A priestly ruler. An allegory to The King of Kings and Lord of Lord, Jesus Christ.

B. Born. Just like the Incarnate Christ was born of woman.

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,

 

[101G]

A. False comparison. There is only single PRIEST/HIGH PRIEST after the order of Melchizedek. A priestly ruler. An allegory to The King of Kings and Lord of Lord, Jesus Christ.

B. Born. Just like the Incarnate Christ was born of woman.

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,

A. Melchizedek is a priest, and not or the High Priest. so your answer was false. not the same person.

B. 8Born of a woman but not conceived of the woman. the Son of God flesh bone and blood came out of Mary. the Son of Man came from Heaven..... Know the difference, ok. now, understand, Christ was born .... but Jesus the Lord God almighty was never born.

supportive scripture, Isaiah 9:6. a Child is born. but the son is "Given". again, know the difference.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

A. Melchizedek is a priest, and not or the High Priest. so your answer was false. not the same person.

Prove it. Even among the order of Aaron, the High Priest was a son of Aaron.

B. 8Born of a woman but not conceived of the woman. the Son of God flesh bone and blood came out of Mary. the Son of Man came from Heaven..... Know the difference, ok. now, understand, Christ was born .... but Jesus the Lord God almighty was never born.

supportive scripture, Isaiah 9:6. a Child is born. but the son is "Given". again, know the difference.

101G.

The Hypostatic Union of God Incarnate is an important doctrine. You're separating what God has joined together. You should never do this. Your claims are just that. Claims. They're not real.

There is not "but" in Isa 9:6.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given

There is no seperation. No contrast. He is both born and a son that was given to us. Know the truth.