ChatGTP's list of attributes

[Dizerner]

Thought it would be interesting to see what it comes up with.

I tweaked a few things and added one.

1. Omniscience: God is all-knowing and possesses infinite knowledge.
2. Omnipotence: God is all-powerful and capable of doing anything.
3. Omnibenevolence: God is perfectly good and benevolent.
4. Omnipresence: God is present everywhere simultaneously.
5. Eternity: God exists outside of time and is eternal.
6. Immutability: God is unchanging and immutable.
7. Transcendence: God is beyond and above the material world.
8. Immanence: God is present and active within the material world.
9. Creator: God is the creator of the universe and all things.
10. Sustainer: God sustains and upholds the universe.
11. Justness: God is perfectly just and fair in all judgments.
12. Mercy: God is merciful and forgiving.
13. Compassion: God is compassionate and empathetic.
14. Wisdom: God possesses infinite wisdom and knowledge.
15. Love: God is characterized by love and care for creation.
16. Holiness: God is infinitely special and pure.
17. Truth: God is the source of ultimate truth and is always honest.
18. Sovereignty: God is the ultimate ruler and authority.
19. Grace: God bestows grace and favor upon humanity.
20. Kindness: God is desiring to be considerate and gentle.
21. Faithfulness: God is faithful and keeps His promises.
22. Righteousness: God always acts with and supports moral virtue.
23. Beauty: God is the source of beauty and aesthetics.
24. Infinite: God is limitless and without boundaries.
25. Unity: God is one and indivisible (monotheistic belief).
26. Mystery: God is beyond full human comprehension.
27. Providence: God provides for and guides His creation.
28. Transcendental: God is the ultimate reality and truth.
29. Ineffability: God's nature cannot be fully expressed in words.
30. Aseity: God is self-existent and independent of all else.
31. Impeccable: God is morally flawless and incapable of wrongdoing.
32. Immaterial: God is not composed of physical matter but exists in a spiritual or non-material form.
33. Longsuffering: God is patient and slow to anger, giving humanity time to repent.
34. Infinitude: God's attributes, such as love and knowledge, are limitless.
35. Multi-personal: In Christian theology, God is believed to exist as a Trinity—Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit.

 

[e v e]

God's attributes are Beings, His male and female sons and daughters.
144k of them to be restored to Him soon at rapture.

Some of the attributes in that list are not God's attributes but
esau's + AI's type of attributes. I'd not go by what an AI thinks God is like.

 

[GodsGrace]

Thought it would be interesting to see what it comes up with.

I tweaked a few things and added one.

1. Omniscience: God is all-knowing and possesses infinite knowledge.
2. Omnipotence: God is all-powerful and capable of doing anything.
3. Omnibenevolence: God is perfectly good and benevolent.
4. Omnipresence: God is present everywhere simultaneously.
5. Eternity: God exists outside of time and is eternal.
6. Immutability: God is unchanging and immutable.
7. Transcendence: God is beyond and above the material world.
8. Immanence: God is present and active within the material world.
9. Creator: God is the creator of the universe and all things.
10. Sustainer: God sustains and upholds the universe.
11. Justness: God is perfectly just and fair in all judgments.
12. Mercy: God is merciful and forgiving.
13. Compassion: God is compassionate and empathetic.
14. Wisdom: God possesses infinite wisdom and knowledge.
15. Love: God is characterized by love and care for creation.
16. Holiness: God is infinitely special and pure.
17. Truth: God is the source of ultimate truth and is always honest.
18. Sovereignty: God is the ultimate ruler and authority.
19. Grace: God bestows grace and favor upon humanity.
20. Kindness: God is desiring to be considerate and gentle.
21. Faithfulness: God is faithful and keeps His promises.
22. Righteousness: God always acts with and supports moral virtue.
23. Beauty: God is the source of beauty and aesthetics.
24. Infinite: God is limitless and without boundaries.
25. Unity: God is one and indivisible (monotheistic belief).
26. Mystery: God is beyond full human comprehension.
27. Providence: God provides for and guides His creation.
28. Transcendental: God is the ultimate reality and truth.
29. Ineffability: God's nature cannot be fully expressed in words.
30. Aseity: God is self-existent and independent of all else.
31. Impeccable: God is morally flawless and incapable of wrongdoing.
32. Immaterial: God is not composed of physical matter but exists in a spiritual or non-material form.
33. Longsuffering: God is patient and slow to anger, giving humanity time to repent.
34. Infinitude: God's attributes, such as love and knowledge, are limitless.
35. Multi-personal: In Christian theology, God is believed to exist as a Trinity—Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit.

Interesting idea.
Guess you added number 35.

 

[Dizerner]

Interesting idea.
Guess you added number 35.

Indeed.

And for the record I reject immutability and impeccability, also I reject simplicity and impassability.

 

[civic]

Indeed.

And for the record I reject immutability and impeccability, also I reject simplicity and impassability.

You reject God

 

[Dizerner]

You reject God

lol

next

 

[Dizerner]

Simplicity is impossible because of the Trinity. If you reject three individual Persons you could still hold on to it. Also, I think we can argue God's attributes are not equal to each other, even if God has some single unknowable unifying attribute.

Immutability is impossible because of the Incarnation. If you reject that God actually did become a man, you could hold on to it, however I don't think Scripture could be clearer, and it is not just an addition of an associated non-personal human nature.

Impassability is simply removing aspects of personhood from God and making him more mechanistic, and this is not the Biblical picture, of an unmoved Moai face statue, but rather the Bible is constantly filled with passionate changing emotions.

Impeccability is false because Jesus' temptations were not a sham, and he had legitimate free will to choose good or evil, and God chooses his character not because he is forced to, but because he is maximally virtuous, he has the virtue of choosing the good.


All of these are dreamed up by the philosophies of men instead of founded in Scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

Simplicity is impossible because of the Trinity. If you reject three individual Persons you could still hold on to it. Also, I think we can argue God's attributes are not equal to each other, even if God has some single unknowable unifying attribute.

Immutability is impossible because of the Incarnation. If you reject that God actually did become a man, you could hold on to it, however I don't think Scripture could be clearer, and it is not just an addition of an associated non-personal human nature.

Impassability is simply removing aspects of personhood from God and making him more mechanistic, and this is not the Biblical picture, of an unmoved Moai face statue, but rather the Bible is constantly filled with passionate changing emotions.

Impeccability is false because Jesus' temptations were not a sham, and he had legitimate free will to choose good or evil, and God chooses his character not because he is forced to, but because he is maximally virtuous, he has the virtue of choosing the good.


All of these are dreamed up by the philosophies of men instead of founded in Scripture.

I'm out and can't type on this thing....
But by simplicity do we mean divine simplicity?
Will reread.

 

[GodsGrace]

Simplicity is impossible because of the Trinity. If you reject three individual Persons you could still hold on to it. Also, I think we can argue God's attributes are not equal to each other, even if God has some single unknowable unifying attribute.

Immutability is impossible because of the Incarnation. If you reject that God actually did become a man, you could hold on to it, however I don't think Scripture could be clearer, and it is not just an addition of an associated non-personal human nature.

Impassability is simply removing aspects of personhood from God and making him more mechanistic, and this is not the Biblical picture, of an unmoved Moai face statue, but rather the Bible is constantly filled with passionate changing emotions.

Impeccability is false because Jesus' temptations were not a sham, and he had legitimate free will to choose good or evil, and God chooses his character not because he is forced to, but because he is maximally virtuous, he has the virtue of choosing the good.


All of these are dreamed up by the philosophies of men instead of founded in Scripture.

Can't find it!
Give me the number please....

 

[Dizerner]

Guess you added number 35.

Upon review, the attribute I added was "kindness."

 

[Dizerner]

But by simplicity do we mean divine simplicity?

That is correct. ChatGPT was not comprehensive here.

 

[GodsGrace]

Upon review, the attribute I added was "kindness."

Agreed.
I would have questioned His triune nature to be an attribute....

I was looking for the attribute of simplicity.
Not sure that's an attribute either,,,,
Or also His nature.

 

[GodsGrace]

That is correct. ChatGPT was not comprehensive here.

Ok
I do believe in Divine Simplicity.

 

[Dizerner]

Ok
I do believe in Divine Simplicity.

And why is that.

We already know Jesus is not the Father is not the Spirit.

God cannot simply be one thing in Scripture, it's not possible.

 

[GodsGrace]

And why is that.

We already know Jesus is not the Father is not the Spirit.

God cannot simply be one thing in Scripture, it's not possible.

Divine Simplicity just means that God is FULLY all of His attributes.
God does not HAVE an attribute...
He IS that attribute.

For instance, John states that GOD IS LOVE.
WE have love,,,but WE (humans) are NOT love.

God IS love.

I can't explain it better than that.
Wm Lane Craig can explain it really well.

It has nothing to do with the Trinity.

 

[Dizerner]

You can't just ignore the Trinity it's fundamental to God's nature, lol.

Do you think God's attributes equal each other?

Is God's justice the same thing as his mercy? Is his love the same thing as his wrath?

Simplicity means God is essentially one thing, not just completely many things.

I'm familiar with WLC.

 

[GodsGrace]

Simplicity is impossible because of the Trinity. If you reject three individual Persons you could still hold on to it. Also, I think we can argue God's attributes are not equal to each other, even if God has some single unknowable unifying attribute.

Those that believe in Divine Simplicity also believe in the Trinity.
Because
If God Father IS love...
then so is God Son and God Holy Spirit.

Immutability is impossible because of the Incarnation. If you reject that God actually did become a man, you could hold on to it, however I don't think Scripture could be clearer, and it is not just an addition of an associated non-personal human nature.

Question for you?
When Jesus was on earth,
where was the 2nd Person of the Trintiy?

Or was He missing the years Jesus was on earth??

Impassability is simply removing aspects of personhood from God and making him more mechanistic, and this is not the Biblical picture, of an unmoved Moai face statue, but rather the Bible is constantly filled with passionate changing emotions.

Agreed. God does have emotion...maybe not like ours,,,but they are spoken of.

Impeccability is false because Jesus' temptations were not a sham, and he had legitimate free will to choose good or evil, and God chooses his character not because he is forced to, but because he is maximally virtuous, he has the virtue of choosing the good.

Could you describe impeccability?
I believe it means that one cannot sin.
If you think it's false, this means you believe God could sin??

All of these are dreamed up by the philosophies of men instead of founded in Scripture.

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[Dizerner]

If God Father IS love...

Are you a Unitarian who believes God is one Person? Do you believe God is 3 separate divine Persons who are not each other?

Question for you? When Jesus was on earth, where was the 2nd Person of the Trintiy?

I think you answered your own question there, lol. Unless of course you think Jesus is somehow not the 2nd Person of the Trinity.

If you think it's false, this means you believe God could sin??

Jesus' temptations were not a sham, neither was Jesus removed of free will like a robot. That means he had real choice, yes.

 

[GodsGrace]

Are you a Unitarian who believes God is one Person? Do you believe God is 3 separate divine Persons who are not each other?

Did I say I was NOT a trinitarian?
I mentioned all 3 Persons to you.

I think you answered your own question there, lol. Unless of course you think Jesus is somehow not the 2nd Person of the Trinity.

So when Jesus was born on earth....
Heaven was missing the 2nd Person of the Trinity?
So THE SON,,, the 2nd Person of the Trinity
came into existence when Jesus was born??

Jesus' temptations were not a sham, neither was Jesus removed of free will like a robot. That means he had real choice, yes.

I think you're getting God Father and God Son mixed up with Jesus who was God in the flesh...
but living on earth.

You do believe in the hypostatic union?

You say Jesus had real choice....agreed.
Does GOD have real choice?

Can God choose to sin?

 

[Dizerner]

Did I say I was NOT a trinitarian? I mentioned all 3 Persons to you.

You literally said the Trinity doesn't have to do with God's attributes, don't gaslight me by acting like the question has no basis, sheesh. God is THREE SEPARATE PERSONS, that invalidates simplicity as it is classically defined, who knows how you are understanding it.

So when Jesus was born on earth.... Heaven was missing the 2nd Person of the Trinity? So THE SON,,, the 2nd Person of the Trinity came into existence when Jesus was born??

Nothing I argued indicated that Jesus had to come into existence when he was physically born. That is a non sequitur, it does not logically follow from anything I said. The human Jesus WAS the second Person of the Trinity, and he WAS on earth. That's what the Bible says.

I think you're getting God Father and God Son mixed up with Jesus who was God in the flesh... but living on earth.

Well, you're extremely confused then, it's not my fault. Jesus literally IS God, last time I checked.

You do believe in the hypostatic union?

Not quite as classically stated, no. I do believe Jesus has two natures but Scripture teaches something different than the HU.

You say Jesus had real choice....agreed.

Then the debate is over. If you remove his ability to sin you remove his real choice.

Does GOD have real choice?

Jesus IS God. And yes, God has real choice.

Can God choose to sin?

Well, for the Father and Spirit it is not a logical possibility to sin, because nothing they do could possibly be sin.

However, for Jesus it is most definitely a logical possibility, because Jesus submitted himself as a creation.


I hope that clears things up.