ChatGTP's list of attributes

[GodsGrace]

You literally said the Trinity doesn't have to do with God's attributes, don't gaslight me by acting like the question has no basis, sheesh. God is THREE SEPARATE PERSONS, that invalidates simplicity as it is classically defined, who knows how you are understanding it.



Nothing I argued indicated that Jesus had to come into existence when he was physically born. That is a non sequitur, it does not logically follow from anything I said. The human Jesus WAS the second Person of the Trinity, and he WAS on earth. That's what the Bible says.



Well, you're extremely confused then, it's not my fault. Jesus literally IS God, last time I checked.



Not quite as classically stated, no. I do believe Jesus has two natures but Scripture teaches something different than the HU.



Then the debate is over. If you remove his ability to sin you remove his real choice.



Jesus IS God. And yes, God has real choice.



Well, for the Father and Spirit it is not a logical possibility to sin, because nothing they do could possibly be sin.

However, for Jesus it is most definitely a logical possibility, because Jesus submitted himself as a creation.


I hope that clears things up.

It doesn't clear anything up because I can't seem to get to the crux of the question
and you're sounding a bit defensive.

So we'll end here...this is a purely theological discussion and is not on my list of topics I take the time to cover....
which mostly have to do with soteriology.

Catch you next time...

 

[Dizerner]

It doesn't clear anything up because I can't seem to get to the crux of the question
and you're sounding a bit defensive.

All I did was answer your questions, if I was defensive it was because you were offensive, so don't lay blame on me for it.

Regards.

 

[GodsGrace]

All I did was answer your questions, if I was defensive it was because you were offensive, so don't lay blame on me for it.

Regards.

LOL
You're defensive again.
I don't come on this forum to argue D....
I come here to discuss...there's a difference.

 

[civic]

Simplicity is impossible because of the Trinity. If you reject three individual Persons you could still hold on to it. Also, I think we can argue God's attributes are not equal to each other, even if God has some single unknowable unifying attribute.

Immutability is impossible because of the Incarnation. If you reject that God actually did become a man, you could hold on to it, however I don't think Scripture could be clearer, and it is not just an addition of an associated non-personal human nature.

Impassability is simply removing aspects of personhood from God and making him more mechanistic, and this is not the Biblical picture, of an unmoved Moai face statue, but rather the Bible is constantly filled with passionate changing emotions.

Impeccability is false because Jesus' temptations were not a sham, and he had legitimate free will to choose good or evil, and God chooses his character not because he is forced to, but because he is maximally virtuous, he has the virtue of choosing the good.


All of these are dreamed up by the philosophies of men instead of founded in Scripture.

Hahaha oh the irony here look into the mirror with PSA.

You have a jesus who is not God and impeccable like the Father and Holy Spirit. Your jesus is only a man.

You give lip service to His deity. Sad for a Trinitarian. Back to your subtle Kenosis heresy creeping into the conversation.

 

[civic]

It doesn't clear anything up because I can't seem to get to the crux of the question
and you're sounding a bit defensive.

So we'll end here...this is a purely theological discussion and is not on my list of topics I take the time to cover....
which mostly have to do with soteriology.

Catch you next time...

Yep

 

[civic]

Some terrible Theology at work from so- called Trinitarians and horrible views on the Hypostatic Union, Incarnation.

 

[Dizerner]

LOL
You're defensive again.
I don't come on this forum to argue D....
I come here to discuss...there's a difference.

And you're being offensive again, you're literally accusing me.

Please take some responsibility for your actions and stop deflecting everything to other posters.

"LOL."

 

[Dizerner]

Yep

Slander.

As usual.

Next.

 

[GodsGrace]

And you're being offensive again, you're literally accusing me.

Please take some responsibility for your actions and stop deflecting everything to other posters.

"LOL."

School's out for summer
School's out forever.

 

[Dizerner]

School's out for summer
School's out forever.

This is behavior known online as "trolling."

You engage with a person just to accuse them of something midway and then say it's their fault.

Simply do not engage with a person if you are going to just rage quit and blame it all on them—don't start.

How hard is that?

 

[civic]

Slander.

As usual.

Next.

Projecting since you refer to posters against PSA as liars, satanic etc…

 

[Administrator]

Your not going to believe this. I just saw a report that they have an AI device you can have implanted in your brain.

Neuralink, a company founded by Elon Musk, has implanted a brain-computer interface (BCI) into a human for the first time. The surgery uses a robot to implant flexible electrode threads into the brain to record neural activity and control devices12. Another company, Synchron, has developed a Stentrode device that requires a less invasive surgery to implant and is aimed at helping people with motor neurone disease3.

 

[civic]

Your not going to believe this. I just saw a report that they have an AI device you can have implanted in your brain.

Neuralink, a company founded by Elon Musk, has implanted a brain-computer interface (BCI) into a human for the first time. The surgery uses a robot to implant flexible electrode threads into the brain to record neural activity and control devices12. Another company, Synchron, has developed a Stentrode device that requires a less invasive surgery to implant and is aimed at helping people with motor neurone disease3.

That’s insane

 

[Dizerner]

Projecting since you refer to posters against PSA as liars, satanic etc…

Only when they lie, not when they don't.

You have no place here I've lied about someone, so you use double standards to exonerate yourself, which is dishonest.

And yes, denying the core of the Gospel is demonic as hell, that's not slander at all, it's calling a doctrine evil.

You apply no discipline or logic to your critiques, you just throw spaghetti against the wall, and always have.

 

[civic]

Only when they lie, not when they don't.

You have no place here I've lied about someone, so you use double standards to exonerate yourself, which is dishonest.

And yes, denying the core of the Gospel is demonic as hell, that's not slander at all, it's calling a doctrine evil.

You apply no discipline or logic to your critiques, you just throw spaghetti against the wall, and always have.

Projecting again since PSA is not the gospel , it’s a false gospel

 

[praise_yeshua]

LOL
You're defensive again.
I don't come on this forum to argue D....
I come here to discuss...there's a difference.

Arguing is good sometimes. The "sharpening" process grinds away at us till nothing is left.....

 

[praise_yeshua]

Your not going to believe this. I just saw a report that they have an AI device you can have implanted in your brain.

Neuralink, a company founded by Elon Musk, has implanted a brain-computer interface (BCI) into a human for the first time. The surgery uses a robot to implant flexible electrode threads into the brain to record neural activity and control devices12. Another company, Synchron, has developed a Stentrode device that requires a less invasive surgery to implant and is aimed at helping people with motor neurone disease3.

Yeah. The goal is good. They're trying to restore eyesight to the totally blind. Even those that have lost their optic nerve. I knew a blind man once that had his eyes removed completely. He said that after his eyes were removed he lost all sense of direction. It was like "nothing was there" anymore.

It is concerning how the future seems to be a reliance upon machines when we should be making and managing our own paths. I believe man is forgetting God again in all of this.

 

[Administrator]

Yeah. The goal is good. They're trying to restore eyesight to the totally blind. Even those that have lost their optic nerve. I knew a blind man once that had his eyes removed completely. He said that after his eyes were removed he lost all sense of direction. It was like "nothing was there" anymore.

It is concerning how the future seems to be a reliance upon machines when we should be making and managing our own paths. I believe man is forgetting God again in all of this.

Right! Or we end up being robots. God will not let that happen to His creation. Yes, the Bible does indicate that as the time for Christ’s return approaches, social chaos and evil may well intensify. The Bible says that “evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived” 2 Timothy 3:13 Are we living in those days? Looks like it.

 

[Johann]

Right! Or we end up being robots. God will not let that happen to His creation. Yes, the Bible does indicate that as the time for Christ’s return approaches, social chaos and evil may well intensify. The Bible says that “evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived” 2 Timothy 3:13 Are we living in those days? Looks like it.

I see this unfolding everywhere--both online and in the world around me, locally and globally.

1 Timothy 4:1 (NASB)
"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons."

2. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NASB)
"No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction."

3. 2 Timothy 3:1–5 (NASB)
"But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money... holding to a form of godliness although they have denied its power; avoid such people as these."

4. Matthew 24:10–12 (NASB)
"And at that time many will fall away, and they will betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will rise up and mislead many people. And because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will become cold."

5. 2 Peter 2:1–2 (NASB)
"But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you... Many will follow their indecent behavior, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned."

6. Jude 17–19 (NASB)
"But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, that they were saying to you, 'In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.' These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit."

7. 1 John 2:18–19 (NASB)
"Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared... They went out from us, but they were not really of us..."

8. 2 Timothy 4:3–4 (NASB)
"For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires, and they will turn their ears away from the truth and will turn aside to myths."

9. Hebrews 3:12 (NASB)
"Take care, brothers and sisters, that there will not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God."

10. Revelation 3:15–17 (NASB)
"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot... Because you say, ‘I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have no need of anything,’ and you do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked..."

Stay strong in Messiah brother.

Johann.

 

[GodsGrace]

Arguing is good sometimes. The "sharpening" process grinds away at us till nothing is left.....

I don't like the grinding away process PY.
I was just trying to have a nice conversation to an OP the other member began.
Don't really understand why the defensiveness,
but I've decided to let it drop.

I Did want to say that I know very well what a troll is and I certainly don't fit the bill...
but we each have our opinion and the other member may believe as he will.

Thanks for the smile.