Bible Contradictions (ever heard this one before from skeptics?)

I am not Israel. None of my blood goes that way.
You know this.
I am not one of God's chosen.
How far can you trace your ancestry? 500 years? 1000? The thing I understand is God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed. Later, he extended that covenant to include substitutionary sacrificial worship and ritual, such ritual and sacrifice that God used to atone for sins. Albeit, it was temporary a New Covenant was needed and He established one in the blood of His only begotten Son, Yeshua bar Yosef. But before that God scattered His people twice before the advent of Christ and the Hebrew people in time intermarried with Gentiles (Assyrian. Babylonian, even Roman (but Romans were already a mixed race, such as the Roman centurion who built the Jews a synagogue and asked healing from Jesus for his servant. As long as a person has a Hebrew ancestor and they have truly been born-again, then you have Abraham as your 'father.'
Non-Hebrew Gentiles are excluded. And they are out there.
Yes. My Gentile Bible took me down the path of faith.
It is difficult to turn your back on 7 decades of reading.
I no longer grab the bible to read... especially when many things I have been taught are wrong...
But that is from another forum and has nothing to do with
what your beliefs are.

Just for your information... When I speak of faith...and salvation... and mention
something from the OT it is only and always not a Trinity mention nor a
belief other then the great I am who will save Israel. and those who fell by the
wayside are those that the Son of the Great I AM was sent to. The lost sheep of
Israel.

The facts of the matter are I never asked to be born. I have every reason to believe
I was an accident. I could not, at any time in my life have changed my WASP background
though I sure did want to.

But there is some reason that in the New Testament there is so much about belief and
faith.. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
God wants His people to trust Him. I know it's in the Bible, but it is NOT a requirement in any covenant between God and the Hebrew people.
Well I have said enough. Too much... but you do tend to pull that out of me.... makes me thing
you might be a psychiatrist orsome such.

I promise to God that I wont answer another of your threads.... EVER
Good for you. Reject Christ in me. Jolly good show.
You don't have any right or privilege to reject Christ in a fellow believer, that's a heresy and an offense to God.
But I know you are ignorant of these things and I can forgive them, but you deny yourself my gifts and Christ in me, and I don't think God will forgive you unless you repent and seek His forgiveness and then go forward.
You talk a lot about the body of Christ, but you really don't know anything about it except your Gentile theologies you find your answer. Even if wrong, we all are wrong at some time or another. You figure it out. I have and I have told you.
 
How far can you trace your ancestry? 500 years? 1000? The thing I understand is God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed. Later, he extended that covenant to include substitutionary sacrificial worship and ritual, such ritual and sacrifice that God used to atone for sins. Albeit, it was temporary a New Covenant was needed and He established one in the blood of His only begotten Son, Yeshua bar Yosef. But before that God scattered His people twice before the advent of Christ and the Hebrew people in time intermarried with Gentiles (Assyrian. Babylonian, even Roman (but Romans were already a mixed race, such as the Roman centurion who built the Jews a synagogue and asked healing from Jesus for his servant. As long as a person has a Hebrew ancestor and they have truly been born-again, then you have Abraham as your 'father.'
Non-Hebrew Gentiles are excluded. And they are out there.

God wants His people to trust Him. I know it's in the Bible, but it is NOT a requirement in any covenant between God and the Hebrew people.

Good for you. Reject Christ in me. Jolly good show.
You don't have any right or privilege to reject Christ in a fellow believer, that's a heresy and an offense to God.
But I know you are ignorant of these things and I can forgive them, but you deny yourself my gifts and Christ in me, and I don't think God will forgive you unless you repent and seek His forgiveness and then go forward.
You talk a lot about the body of Christ, but you really don't know anything about it except your Gentile theologies you find your answer. Even if wrong, we all are wrong at some time or another. You figure it out. I have and I have told you.
I promise to God that I wont answer another of your threads.... EVER
 
This is very well stated and totally understandable to anyone who can read and is willing to accept.

I might briefly expand this statement....

Grace Isn’t a License—It’s a Lifeline
to say
Grace is the gift; faith is the means of receiving it.
If faith were irresistibly given only to the predestined, the phrase “through faith” would be meaningless.
Therefore grace fully saves, while faith remains a real, non-meritorious human response.
Amen, Free!

The Bible only "appears" to contradict if not rightly divided.
 
The message is the same. The only difference was that Jesus was still living and teaching under the Old Covenant. The New Covenant had not yet been initiated. Paul did not preach a different gospel than Jesus.
The New Covenant is to the house of Israel, & the house of Judah. That takes effect at Jesus' 2nd coming.
Gentiles are not in Jesus' or the twelve's audience, the Jews are. We're in Paul's audience.


But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel... But he answered and said,
It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Matthew 15:24; 26


These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city
of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10:5-6

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he [Saul of Tarsus] is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before
the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts 9:15

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:13

(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision,
the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
Galatians 2:8

Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not)
a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
1 Timothy 2:7

Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
2 Timothy 1:11

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company,
or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man
common or unclean.
Acts 10:28

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1 Peter 1:1

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
James 1:1


... different audiences, different Gospels...

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel OF the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
as the gospel OF the circumcision was unto Peter;


(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision,
the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me,
they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen,
and they unto the circumcision.
Galatians 2:7-9
Oh my, oh my, oh my.

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

From Albert Barnes:


The kingdom of heaven that the Jews had expected was an earthly national kingdom. They were wrong.

The kicker is that the kingdom that the Jews anticipated didn't get postponed. It was never the intended kingdom. The nation Israel was chosen for the service to God of bringing Jesus Christ to world as savior to the world. The ethnic nation Israel was never chosen for salvation. Salvation was, is, and always will be by grace through faith.
There's scripture in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament speaking of a earthly kingdom.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."

Abraham believed God and he was saved. To have his belief, his faith in God, counted to him as righteousness was to be justified, i.e., saved.

All of that is the false doctrine of dispensations. The Jews are now under the exact same covenant as the rest of the world.
I don't see the Body of Christ mentioned anywhere in the New Covenant.

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out
of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God,
and they shall be to me a people:

And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord:
for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 8:8-12 (cf Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Gal 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
You're mixing Paul's ministry w/ the twelve's.
 
@Jim

Promise of Restoration
Ezekiel 11:16-20

Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.

Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

The Restoration of Israel
Amos 9:11-15


In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Israel To Be Renewed For His Name's Sake
Ezekiel 36:22-28


Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

New Heavens and a New Earth
Isaiah 65:17-25


For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

A New Heaven and Earth
2 Peter 3:10-16; Revelation 21


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
The New Covenant is to the house of Israel, & the house of Judah. That takes effect at Jesus' 2nd coming.
Gentiles are not in Jesus' or the twelve's audience, the Jews are. We're in Paul's audience.
The New Covenant took effect at the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It was inaugurated at Pentecost. I rather thought that you were seriously confused about things. Those two statements prove it. You are talking complete nonsense. As in the case of @jeremiah1, there does not seem much worthwhile that can be learned from you.
 
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I promise to God that I wont answer another of your threads.... EVER
Is that your promise to God?
Let me tell you what God says about your antiGod, antichristian promise.

Number lone, you don't belong to yourself. You are BOUGHT with a price. You don't have the authority to separate yourself from a member of the body like you want to because as the Bride of Christ we are so joined to Christ and no one can put asunder what God has joined together.

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 1 Corinthians 12:18.

To make such a decision as you have in your heart made towards me is an offense against what God has done with regard to Christ's body. It's way above your pay grade to decide to reject Christ who dwells in me, to deny yourself of the gifts I have in Christ that are meant for the other parts of the body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 1 Corinthians 12:21.

Your attitude and spirit are of the antichrist. As Festus said to Saul, "Saul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad!" Acts 26:24.
And you are mad. A word that means "crazy" (Greek "mania.")

But your attitude I have seen before from those professing Christ but are not of Christ to exhibit such an antichristian spirit. Your false Constantinian Gentile theology you hold in your heart is formed by you thinking you have rights in the body of Christ when you don't. Servants of God have no rights. The freedoms you have in this country have infected your so-called "Christianity" and cause you to err against God and His Christ. Read: AGAINST.

Pay attention:

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 1 Corinthians 12:24–26.

Do you understand "schism"? You obviously don't. It means, "split or gap." It's found in the New Testament. It's like taking an axe to the body of Christ with your antichrist spirit and creating a split or gap in a piece of wood that cannot be healed. Not immediately. There are only two things that bring division to the body of Christ. Heresy and schism is what brings division to the body of Christ by its own members. While heresy causes division through doctrine, schism is caused by lack of love. And therein resides your problem. It's a heart issue. You lack love. This tells me and others the God is love does not rule your life for while He attempts to join His body together you take an axe to the body and create division. Go ahead, antichrist. Do what your wicked heart desires to do. All it shows me is that you are not a true born-of-God Christian. I have no patience with those who claim the Name of my Savior - and there are a great many in the world - but are fake, false.
Let this be a lesson to you and others who are ignorant of the privilege of being saved by God and who has baptized 'you' into His body. You are bought with a price, you don't belong to you anymore, "so glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s." 1 Corinthians 6:20.
This, folks, is the spirit of antichrist John told us about. See it. Recognize it. And shun it.
 
Is that your promise to God?
Let me tell you what God says about your antiGod, antichristian promise.

Number lone, you don't belong to yourself. You are BOUGHT with a price. You don't have the authority to separate yourself from a member of the body like you want to because as the Bride of Christ we are so joined to Christ and no one can put asunder what God has joined together.

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 1 Corinthians 12:18.

To make such a decision as you have in your heart made towards me is an offense against what God has done with regard to Christ's body. It's way above your pay grade to decide to reject Christ who dwells in me, to deny yourself of the gifts I have in Christ that are meant for the other parts of the body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 1 Corinthians 12:21.

Your attitude and spirit are of the antichrist. As Festus said to Saul, "Saul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad!" Acts 26:24.
And you are mad. A word that means "crazy" (Greek "mania.")

But your attitude I have seen before from those professing Christ but are not of Christ to exhibit such an antichristian spirit. Your false Constantinian Gentile theology you hold in your heart is formed by you thinking you have rights in the body of Christ when you don't. Servants of God have no rights. The freedoms you have in this country have infected your so-called "Christianity" and cause you to err against God and His Christ. Read: AGAINST.

Pay attention:

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 1 Corinthians 12:24–26.

Do you understand "schism"? You obviously don't. It means, "split or gap." It's found in the New Testament. It's like taking an axe to the body of Christ with your antichrist spirit and creating a split or gap in a piece of wood that cannot be healed. Not immediately. There are only two things that bring division to the body of Christ. Heresy and schism is what brings division to the body of Christ by its own members. While heresy causes division through doctrine, schism is caused by lack of love. And therein resides your problem. It's a heart issue. You lack love. This tells me and others the God is love does not rule your life for while He attempts to join His body together you take an axe to the body and create division. Go ahead, antichrist. Do what your wicked heart desires to do. All it shows me is that you are not a true born-of-God Christian. I have no patience with those who claim the Name of my Savior - and there are a great many in the world - but are fake, false.
Let this be a lesson to you and others who are ignorant of the privilege of being saved by God and who has baptized 'you' into His body. You are bought with a price, you don't belong to you anymore, "so glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s." 1 Corinthians 6:20.
This, folks, is the spirit of antichrist John told us about. See it. Recognize it. And shun it.
I promise to God that I wont answer another of your threads.... EVER

I do not break my promises to God. He holds me to them.

But without answering the words you have posted I have one question.

How can you possibly think this " You don't have the authority to separate yourself from a member of the body like you want to because as the Bride of Christ we are so joined to Christ and no one can put asunder what God has joined together.

What is your goal?

By your own words you have insisted that you are above me, (I will not judge your meaning for others) and as such we are not
joined.

You have gone above and beyond to make it known to me exactly where I stand.

Following are some of your statements from just 1 page in a search under you....... I hope you read this to the end, as a remember and my final words.

Do you remember what you said here

If you did you would know that those in covenant with God did not seek a covenant with God but was told by God, this is the way it's going to be, and you have no choice in the matter!

If a person's name is in the book of life of the lamb slain from [BEFORE] the foundation (creation) of the world then that person will be saved at their appointed time. No one has such power to overrule God's will in the matter. If "you" are in covenant, then you shall be saved. God was the One who scattered His people into Gentile lands. Twice! Do you think they had a choice in the matter? No, they didn't. When the Assyrians came there was no one to stop them. Everyone in Israel proper fled and those that were too stubborn or blind to see, they got taken into exile. And for 29-35 generations the Jews lived in Gentile land. For 700 years the people God scattered had no choice in the matter. There was no "accept Jesus" or "reject Jesus" because in the end God will make everyone willing. "Thy will be done on earth, "what?
As it is in heaven!"


I've been here with you before. You do not understand what the New Covenant writings say about Israel's redemption and salvation. You keep trying to add Gentiles into God's covenants when there are no Gentiles anywhere in Scripture in covenant with God.

There is no covenant between God and Gentiles in the Old Testament. But you misinterpret the NT to include Gentiles in the covenant of salvation between God and Israel.
You add to the Bible.


You can interpret Ephesians any way you want but Jeremiah's prophecy does not include Gentiles, and you have to break with Scripture and violate the Word of God in order to add them after the fact and without Biblical support.

Any interpretation in and of the New Testament that does not have Old Testament precedent and support should be rejected as false teaching. And that's what you have: False teaching that adds to the Bible things that are unsupported by Scripture.

Jeremiah's New Covenant prophecy found in 31:31-34 does not mention or include Gentiles. There is no "mystery" in his prophecy as everything he said is clear and above-board and easily understood by those who receive the Word of God as written without having to add things and ideas that are not there.

In doing a search oon you I find you saying....

If there is no precedent in the Old Testament, then there is no reality in the New Testament.

The Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets are the totality of God's Word to the Hebrew people.

And none of the prophets of God sent to Israel never prophesied of a "rapture."

The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation are gospels and letters by Jewish Christians to Jews and fellow Jewish Christians and their writings are only a discussion and interpretation of the Old Testament writings of the New Covenant era Israel found itself in after Christ ascended. Therefore, if there is no precedent in the Old Testament, then there is no New Testament reality.

For nearly six thousand years God is deeply involved in the blessing and protection, and salvation of the Hebrew people and God breaks that covenant after Jesus' resurrection and ascension just so He can address Gentiles first rather than His covenant people the Jews?
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I said you add to the Bible and I proved it.
You claim non-Hebrews are part of the Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, and New) for their salvation and redemption but there is no Scripture in the Old Testament of a God-non-Hebrew salvation covenant nor are non-Hebrew Gentiles included in any of the three Hebrew covenants.
You can't produce Scriptural evidence of a covenant between God and non-Hebrews for their salvation as the covenant of salvation God made with Abraham, Moses, and Jesus Christ. The Abrahamic Covenant is found in Genesis 12, 15, and 17, and there are no non-Hebrews named, mentioned or included in this covenant.
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Salvation didn't rest with the believer or covenant member; it rested with God who made the promise(s.) As Jonah says, "Salvation is of the LORD" (Jonah 2:9.) And no, salvation was not through faith, it was through covenant as a box, a grace from God, and the salvation, the mercy, the...
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You take the word "Gentile" and think it refers to non-Hebrews when God never made covenant with non-Hebrews. If there is no covenant, then there is no salvation. This is why 39 "books" of the Old Testament has Israel as central to Hebrew history? The Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets IS the Hebrew Scripture. Then we have letters written by Jews to other Jews to help explain the New Covenant era Israel was suddenly involved in and why only the House of Israel and the House of Judah are recipients of the New Covenant and why only Israel has been forgiven by God.
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The New Testament is only as valid as it interprets the Old Testament. We true born-again Christian s do not have any right to add to the Bible of the Old Testament things not there. Jeremiah speaks about a New Covenant and there are no Gentiles named, mentioned, or included in this covenant...
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Au Contraire, Mr. Wick Stick. The prophets operated (prophesied) while being part of the Mosaic Covenant, which covenant was superseded by the New Covenant when the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL began with the Holy Spirit's advent in Acts 2.
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Jeremiah says the New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes), and the House of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.)

God, through Jeremiah says, the New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

There are NO GENTILES included in this covenant. There are NO GENTILES included in any of the other two covenants: Abrahamic and Mosaic.

YOU are adding to the Bible. And what does God say about adding to His Word spoken or written:

You have all along been into the no covenant no salvation and the non-Hebrew Gentiles.. )Gentiles in General) have no covenant
which the only conclusion is No salvation for the Gentiles....
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You can interpret Ephesians any way you want but Jeremiah's prophecy does not include Gentiles, and you have to break with Scripture and violate the Word of God in order to add them after the fact and without Biblical support. Any interpretation in and of the New Testament that does not have...
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No, it is not. There is no covenant in the Old Testament between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. If there were we would know the person's name with whom God made promises. But there is none. The blood of the sacrifice for sins - temporary or eternal - must be applied to the Mercy Seat which is part...
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It is relevant. It goes directly to the core of the identity of who "Gentiles" referred to. If there is no covenant in the Old Testament of a covenant between God and Gentiles, then you cannot make one up or twist Scripture to fit your pet theories. True born-again Christians do not add to the Bible.
If there is no Old Testament precedent, then there is no New Testament reality. In other words, if it's not bible and verse then it is chatter or worse.
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In keeping with God's promise of giving His Spirit to Israel and only Israel as prophesied by Joel, I would have to have at least one Hebrew in my ancestry because I know without a doubt, I was given God's Spirit the moment I was born-again. My theology is Biblical. It is not Protestant...
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Jews called mixed heritage Jews Samaritan and not Jew, the same that Jews call mixed heritage Jews "Gentile" and not Jew because they didn't see these mixed heritage Jews as fully Jewish.

The bottom line is that God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. Therefore, these "Gentiles" of the New Testament cannot be non-Hebrew for God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles for their salvation.
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I asked in the Old Testament. If there is no Old Testament precedence there is no New Testament reality. And Jeremiah says NOTHING about Gentiles being included in the New Covenant. Stop adding to the Bible. Try again.
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You are adding to the Bible. Gentiles are not included in the New Covenant. And when Jesus ritually included the twelve Jewish men into the "new testament" in His blood there were no Gentiles there representing the uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol worshiping Gentiles. Only twelve Jewish men...
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Nowhere in the Old Testament does God call non-Hebrew Gentiles Olive tree or Olive branches. But God does call His people Israel Olive tree and branches. You are adding to the Bible something that does not exist in the Old Testament record.
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Still waiting for the Old Testament reference or prophecy of a covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles and the name of the Gentile who was recipient of said covenant and details of this covenant. God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and such covenant is described in the Old Testament...
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Your conclusion.... The Gentiles according to you... have no covenant so... I'll leave the reader to their own conclusions.
Even Ai agrees with you, that

ChatGPT
Short answer, biblically: no — salvation is always covenantal.

Grok

In Christian theology, salvation is inherently tied to God's covenants with humanity. The Bible presents God's plan of redemption as unfolding through a series of divine covenants, which serve as the framework for how God relates to people and offers salvation.

YOU CLAIM THERE IS NO COVENANT BETWEEN GOD AND GENTILES AND AS MUCH AS PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED THERE IS
YOU STAND FIRM....

So @jeremiah1five ... we are not joined to Christ (together) because you have told me personally that basically I dont make the grade.

So I am sure the heavenly Father understands why I would not respond to you. It may even be his desire for me to run away from you lest I somehow contaminate you.

IT IS by your own doing and YOU PERSONAL beliefs that has me on one side of the gulf and you on the other .....DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU? ....For it has been you that has place me here.
 
I promise to God that I wont answer another of your threads.... EVER
I do not break my promises to God. He holds me to them.
God does not hold you to promises that are ungodly and antichristian. If He did you would not be able to repent, but thankfully God knows He cannot hold you to such a promise you've made that counters and contradicts the truth of God and His Word.
But without answering the words you have posted I have one question.

How can you possibly think this " You don't have the authority to separate yourself from a member of the body like you want to because as the Bride of Christ we are so joined to Christ and no one can put asunder what God has joined together.
What is your goal?
By your own words you have insisted that you are above me, (I will not judge your meaning for others) and as such we are not
joined.
I am above you. I am above you in knowledge for now I know that for an 86-year-old man and me turning 65 soon, you should know these things and should be teaching me instead of me teaching you. Knowledge of the Word of God means not only memorizing but actually understanding of this so-great salvation. You say you are over 50 years a Christian but you do not have the knowledge of an aged Christian in the Lord. Ever hear the term of a "baby" in Christ? It goes beyond being a baby for we are supposed to grow in the knowledge of the Lord, and this means not merely "knowing" Jesus but knowing what the doctrines of Christ are. So, after being Christian for over 50 years how old are you in the spirit? a teen? A toddler? Maybe you're none of these things, maybe it's a deception. We grow up from birth to become men of God in the natural but how old are you in the spirit? An infant? Or are you an aged as Saul or Peter who are pillars in the body of Christ. Are you that strong in the knowledge of the Word of God as a pillar is strong enough to hold the whole building? Faith (trust) is directly tied to knowledge, or don't you know? But we all do not have the same measure (portion) of faith (Romans 12.) The more the knowledge, the more the faith, for in knowing more we are responsible to trusting more of God. Some have small faith tied to lack of knowledge. Some have more faith tied to greater knowledge of the doctrines of Christ which are doctrines of the Spirit which are doctrines of the Word.
You have gone above and beyond to make it known to me exactly where I stand.
I am merely tying your words to the truth of God's Word. We must all see the same Jesus, we must all say the same thing as God. to do otherwise is to oppose God and that's what your "promise" has done. It has revealed your heart and opposition to God's Word. If you are true born of God and God has baptized you into the body of Christ, you have no right to separate yourself from other body members. Who do you think you are to dictate to Christ? Talk like that will give you more stripes. Where you stand is exactly where your mouth/words have made you stand...in opposition to Christ. How will you atone for such a sin? I am here to share the knowledge I have of the Word of God. I know I am in the minority but so were many Christians whom the Lord has set free and given knowledge to that directs the body to truth and more truth. You take issue with me because I hold to Scripture and you don't. I see below you are bringing up my past comments. What does that have to do with your "promise" to divide the body of Christ? So, you want me to repeat myself? Let's see if this is a diversionary tactic to confuse the issue of your "promise."
Following are some of your statements from just 1 page in a search under you....... I hope you read this to the end, as a remember and my final words.

Do you remember what you said here

If you did you would know that those in covenant with God did not seek a covenant with God but was told by God, this is the way it's going to be, and you have no choice in the matter!

If a person's name is in the book of life of the lamb slain from [BEFORE] the foundation (creation) of the world then that person will be saved at their appointed time. No one has such power to overrule God's will in the matter. If "you" are in covenant, then you shall be saved. God was the One who scattered His people into Gentile lands. Twice! Do you think they had a choice in the matter? No, they didn't. When the Assyrians came there was no one to stop them. Everyone in Israel proper fled and those that were too stubborn or blind to see, they got taken into exile. And for 29-35 generations the Jews lived in Gentile land. For 700 years the people God scattered had no choice in the matter. There was no "accept Jesus" or "reject Jesus" because in the end God will make everyone willing. "Thy will be done on earth, "what?
As it is in heaven!"
OK. Now what?

I've been here with you before. You do not understand what the New Covenant writings say about Israel's redemption and salvation. You keep trying to add Gentiles into God's covenants when there are no Gentiles anywhere in Scripture in covenant with God.

There is no covenant between God and Gentiles in the Old Testament. But you misinterpret the NT to include Gentiles in the covenant of salvation between God and Israel.
You add to the Bible.
Yup. That's what I said.

You can interpret Ephesians any way you want but Jeremiah's prophecy does not include Gentiles, and you have to break with Scripture and violate the Word of God in order to add them after the fact and without Biblical support.

Any interpretation in and of the New Testament that does not have Old Testament precedent and support should be rejected as false teaching. And that's what you have: False teaching that adds to the Bible things that are unsupported by Scripture.

Jeremiah's New Covenant prophecy found in 31:31-34 does not mention or include Gentiles. There is no "mystery" in his prophecy as everything he said is clear and above-board and easily understood by those who receive the Word of God as written without having to add things and ideas that are not there.
I stand on my words.
In doing a search oon you I find you saying....

If there is no precedent in the Old Testament, then there is no reality in the New Testament.

The Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets are the totality of God's Word to the Hebrew people.

And none of the prophets of God sent to Israel never prophesied of a "rapture."

The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation are gospels and letters by Jewish Christians to Jews and fellow Jewish Christians and their writings are only a discussion and interpretation of the Old Testament writings of the New Covenant era Israel found itself in after Christ ascended. Therefore, if there is no precedent in the Old Testament, then there is no New Testament reality.

For nearly six thousand years God is deeply involved in the blessing and protection, and salvation of the Hebrew people and God breaks that covenant after Jesus' resurrection and ascension just so He can address Gentiles first rather than His covenant people the Jews?
OK. Now what?
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I said you add to the Bible and I proved it.
You claim non-Hebrews are part of the Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, and New) for their salvation and redemption but there is no Scripture in the Old Testament of a God-non-Hebrew salvation covenant nor are non-Hebrew Gentiles included in any of the three Hebrew covenants.
You can't produce Scriptural evidence of a covenant between God and non-Hebrews for their salvation as the covenant of salvation God made with Abraham, Moses, and Jesus Christ. The Abrahamic Covenant is found in Genesis 12, 15, and 17, and there are no non-Hebrews named, mentioned or included in this covenant.
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Salvation didn't rest with the believer or covenant member; it rested with God who made the promise(s.) As Jonah says, "Salvation is of the LORD" (Jonah 2:9.) And no, salvation was not through faith, it was through covenant as a box, a grace from God, and the salvation, the mercy, the...
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You take the word "Gentile" and think it refers to non-Hebrews when God never made covenant with non-Hebrews. If there is no covenant, then there is no salvation. This is why 39 "books" of the Old Testament has Israel as central to Hebrew history? The Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets IS the Hebrew Scripture. Then we have letters written by Jews to other Jews to help explain the New Covenant era Israel was suddenly involved in and why only the House of Israel and the House of Judah are recipients of the New Covenant and why only Israel has been forgiven by God.
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The New Testament is only as valid as it interprets the Old Testament. We true born-again Christian s do not have any right to add to the Bible of the Old Testament things not there. Jeremiah speaks about a New Covenant and there are no Gentiles named, mentioned, or included in this covenant...
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Au Contraire, Mr. Wick Stick. The prophets operated (prophesied) while being part of the Mosaic Covenant, which covenant was superseded by the New Covenant when the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL began with the Holy Spirit's advent in Acts 2.
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Jeremiah says the New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel (ten northern kingdom tribes), and the House of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes.)

God, through Jeremiah says, the New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

There are NO GENTILES included in this covenant. There are NO GENTILES included in any of the other two covenants: Abrahamic and Mosaic.

YOU are adding to the Bible. And what does God say about adding to His Word spoken or written:

You have all along been into the no covenant no salvation and the non-Hebrew Gentiles.. )Gentiles in General) have no covenant
which the only conclusion is No salvation for the Gentiles....
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You can interpret Ephesians any way you want but Jeremiah's prophecy does not include Gentiles, and you have to break with Scripture and violate the Word of God in order to add them after the fact and without Biblical support. Any interpretation in and of the New Testament that does not have...
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No, it is not. There is no covenant in the Old Testament between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. If there were we would know the person's name with whom God made promises. But there is none. The blood of the sacrifice for sins - temporary or eternal - must be applied to the Mercy Seat which is part...
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It is relevant. It goes directly to the core of the identity of who "Gentiles" referred to. If there is no covenant in the Old Testament of a covenant between God and Gentiles, then you cannot make one up or twist Scripture to fit your pet theories. True born-again Christians do not add to the Bible.
If there is no Old Testament precedent, then there is no New Testament reality. In other words, if it's not bible and verse then it is chatter or worse.
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In keeping with God's promise of giving His Spirit to Israel and only Israel as prophesied by Joel, I would have to have at least one Hebrew in my ancestry because I know without a doubt, I was given God's Spirit the moment I was born-again. My theology is Biblical. It is not Protestant...
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Jews called mixed heritage Jews Samaritan and not Jew, the same that Jews call mixed heritage Jews "Gentile" and not Jew because they didn't see these mixed heritage Jews as fully Jewish.

The bottom line is that God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. Therefore, these "Gentiles" of the New Testament cannot be non-Hebrew for God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles for their salvation.
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I asked in the Old Testament. If there is no Old Testament precedence there is no New Testament reality. And Jeremiah says NOTHING about Gentiles being included in the New Covenant. Stop adding to the Bible. Try again.
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You are adding to the Bible. Gentiles are not included in the New Covenant. And when Jesus ritually included the twelve Jewish men into the "new testament" in His blood there were no Gentiles there representing the uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol worshiping Gentiles. Only twelve Jewish men...
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Nowhere in the Old Testament does God call non-Hebrew Gentiles Olive tree or Olive branches. But God does call His people Israel Olive tree and branches. You are adding to the Bible something that does not exist in the Old Testament record.
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Still waiting for the Old Testament reference or prophecy of a covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles and the name of the Gentile who was recipient of said covenant and details of this covenant. God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and such covenant is described in the Old Testament...
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Your conclusion.... The Gentiles according to you... have no covenant so... I'll leave the reader to their own conclusions.
Even Ai agrees with you, that

ChatGPT
Short answer, biblically: no — salvation is always covenantal.

Grok

In Christian theology, salvation is inherently tied to God's covenants with humanity. The Bible presents God's plan of redemption as unfolding through a series of divine covenants, which serve as the framework for how God relates to people and offers salvation.

YOU CLAIM THERE IS NO COVENANT BETWEEN GOD AND GENTILES AND AS MUCH AS PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED THERE IS
YOU STAND FIRM....
ChatGPT and Grok and all the other Ai's source their answers from all the so-called theology out there - even to regurgitate what some teach about non-Hebrew Gentiles being saved alongside the Jews. You're not going to get truth from them on this subject of Gentiles in the Hebrew covenants because they will access theologies that teach Gentiles in the Hebrew covenants.
So @jeremiah1five ... we are not joined to Christ (together) because you have told me personally that basically I dont make the grade.

So I am sure the heavenly Father understands why I would not respond to you. It may even be his desire for me to run away from you lest I somehow contaminate you.

IT IS by your own doing and YOU PERSONAL beliefs that has me on one side of the gulf and you on the other .....DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU? ....For it has been you that has place me here.
Don't put this on me. You make your promises to God based on you.
In all the comments you've taken from off of other threads you cannot answer me and show through Scripture I am wrong. I am familiar with your beliefs because I used to read and hold to those theologies that have been published out there in the world. You might even use a new-age modern translation that was published using corrupt Greek texts, mainly from those two closet-Catholics, Westcott & Hort. Westcott's own son is on record saying his dad practices Mariology. How about that? John William Burgon took Westcott & Hort's Revised Version and found many of its errors, omissions, even additions or changes to the finished product. Do you trust a bible translation that changes, adds, subtracts words and whole passages in their finished product - a new translation?

The Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets = 39 "books" of the Old Testament Scripture. They were written to the Hebrew people by Hebrew individuals. In them contain the three Hebrew covenants that exclude non-Hebrew Gentiles. The Abraham Covenant doesn't include non-Hebrew Gentiles. The Mosaic Covenant doesn't include non-Hebrew Gentiles. The Ark of the Covenant was built under supervision from God upon the Hebrew people who built it. Where does it say under the Law the animal sacrifices were made to atone the sins of Gentiles? Where does it say such a thing and where does it say the high priest left Israel's borders and went to Gentiles to pray for them and to offer sacrifices for their sins? All you have to do is bring the Scripture that says these things. But you can't because they don't exist. God delivered the Hebrew people not Gentiles for the Egyptians were Gentile to begin with, and the Scripture says the Hebrews were delivered, not Gentiles. Oh, but you'll say, there were Gentiles included in their escape from slavery. At the end of Genesis, it says 70 Hebrews went down to Egypt and went to live in Goshen. If there are any Gentiles that were enslaved by Gentiles, the Egyptians, that's fine. Show me in Scripture. But from my reading of Exodus God delivered Hebrews, not Gentiles. Then He made a covenant with the seed of Abraham, the descendants of those 70 Hebrews that went down to Egypt. In the Law God directs and instructs and commands the Hebrew people in the offering of sacrifices to atone their sins. The animal sacrificed was not used to atone Gentiles sins because God made no covenant with Gentiles to do such a thing.
You bring up my comments, but you don't refute them with Scripture rightly understood.
Now what?
 
You bring up my comments, but you don't refute them with Scripture rightly understood.
Now what?
Been there, done that. You do not understand or you do not read replies to you....

BTW I am not 86 years old.... so that just proves you do not understand what you read.

I rest my case.
 
The New Covenant took effect at the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It was inaugurated at Pentecost. I rather thought that you were seriously confused about things. Those two statements prove it. You are talking complete nonsense. As in the case of @jeremiah1, there does not seem much worthwhile that can be learned from you.
Sounds more like a description of you, not me. That's what God clearly said, you just choose to ignore, & deny the scriptures.
Just take it up w/ God at the Judgment Seat of Christ. And good luck w/ that, btw.

Perhaps the problem here is that you have a corrupt translation.

It's New Testament, not New Covenant. Gentile audience.


After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament
in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1 Corinthians 11:25

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit:
for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 3:6



New Covenant, ALL Jewish.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel,
and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:31

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:8

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old
is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8:13

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better
things than that of Abel.
Hebrews 12:24
 
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Sounds more like a description of you, not me. That's what God clearly said, you just choose to ignore, & deny the scriptures.
Just take it up w/ God at the Judgment Seat of Christ. And good luck w/ that, btw.

Perhaps the problem here is that you have a corrupt translation.

It's New Testament, not New Covenant. Gentile audience.


After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament
in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1 Corinthians 11:25

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit:
for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 3:6
The Greek word in both of those verses is διαθήκη [diathēkē] . So maybe I don't have a corrupt translation. It is the same Greek word in those two verses.

1Corinthians 11:25

(ASV) In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.


(ESV) In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."

(NASB) In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."


(NIV) In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."


2 Corinthians 3:6
(ASV) who also made us sufficient as ministers of a new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


(ESV) who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
(NASB) who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

(NKJV) who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

And yes, the New Covenant was originally made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah (Jer 31:31-33). However, it was extended to include the Gentiles.

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands-- 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.
 
Been there, done that. You do not understand or you do not read replies to you....

BTW I am not 86 years old.... so that just proves you do not understand what you read.

I rest my case.
I reply to several comments and threads daily and mixed you up with someone else.
However, my beliefs in what Scripture teaches is untouched.
 
Sounds more like a description of you, not me. That's what God clearly said, you just choose to ignore, & deny the scriptures.
Just take it up w/ God at the Judgment Seat of Christ. And good luck w/ that, btw.

Perhaps the problem here is that you have a corrupt translation.

It's New Testament, not New Covenant. Gentile audience.


After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament
in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1 Corinthians 11:25

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit:
for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 3:6



New Covenant, ALL Jewish.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel,
and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:31

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:8

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old
is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8:13

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better
things than that of Abel.
Hebrews 12:24
Sorry Victoria,
This is what I had always been taught.....

1 Cor 11:25
King James Bible
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

My church now uses the NIV
New International Version
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”

and my translation of choice... the NASB95
In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

2 Cor 3:6

Jimmy switched it to testament, NKJV switched it back

who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

New International Version
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

NASB 1995
who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

What translation is your choice?
 
@Jim @FreeInChrist

You can call me a KJVO, if you so wish. I find it to be the most accurate, & reliable translation in the English language.
Once belittling, &/or insults come into play, that's the end of the debate for me. It doesn't reflect Christ.

I'm not one who subscribes to Replacement Theology. This is where we'll just have to agree to disagree, respectfully, hopefully.
I made a thread, hoping it will help you to understand why this theology is so incredibly dangerous.

Covenant Thieves: Exposing the Passages Twisted to Erase Israel
 
@Jim @FreeInChrist

You can call me a KJVO, if you so wish. I find it to be the most accurate, & reliable translation in the English language.
Once belittling, &/or insults come into play, that's the end of the debate for me. It doesn't reflect Christ.

I'm not one who subscribes to Replacement Theology. This is where we'll just have to agree to disagree, respectfully, hopefully.
I made a thread, hoping it will help you to understand why this theology is so incredibly dangerous.

Covenant Thieves: Exposing the Passages Twisted to Erase Israel
The King James Version is the best translation on the market.
The new-age, modern translations are taken from the Greek Revision of 1881, which Westcott & Hort used corrupt Greek manuscripts that even the Church would not touch, which explains why the copies are almost in pristine condition as opposed to the Textus Receptus, where over 5,000 manuscripts and portions are such terrible condition through constant use. What Westcott & Hort and their committee did was introduce confusion into Christianity where in any given church service you'll find many translations taken from their Greek Revision carried by many church0goers. Before Westcott & Hort made their revision everyone was using the KJV.
 
The King James Version is the best translation on the market.
The new-age, modern translations are taken from the Greek Revision of 1881, which Westcott & Hort used corrupt Greek manuscripts that even the Church would not touch, which explains why the copies are almost in pristine condition as opposed to the Textus Receptus, where over 5,000 manuscripts and portions are such terrible condition through constant use. What Westcott & Hort and their committee did was introduce confusion into Christianity where in any given church service you'll find many translations taken from their Greek Revision carried by many church0goers. Before Westcott & Hort made their revision everyone was using the KJV.
Yet another thing we could find common ground on, despite our differences in doctrine.
God's Word has always been under attack. Nothing's changed since Genesis 3.
 
And what exactly is your measure for accuracy and reliability for any English translation, let alone the KJV?
The Holy Spirit.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. John 16:13–14.
 
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