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The phrase "faith alone saves, but the faith that saves is never alone" is a summary attributed to Martin Luther that resolves the apparent tension between the Apostle Paul's teaching on justification by faith and the Apostle James's teaching on the necessity of works.

I believe Luther had it right. Paul says we are saved by faith alone but James says that the faith that saves will always bear the fruit of good works, obviously meaning after salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-10 tells us the same thing.
Paul, at no time, in no passage of Scripture anywhere, says that we are saved by "faith alone". That concept appears only in ONE place in all of Scripture, and that is in James 2:24 (and there only in the negative).
And Eph 2:8-10 does not say that faith alone saves. It says that God's grace to us saves, through our faith.

Dwight, you have some very dangerous misconceptions there, that prevent you from seeing the truth about what it takes to be saved.
 
Paul, at no time, in no passage of Scripture anywhere, says that we are saved by "faith alone". That concept appears only in ONE place in all of Scripture, and that is in James 2:24 (and there only in the negative).
And Eph 2:8-10 does not say that faith alone saves. It says that God's grace to us saves, through our faith.

Dwight, you have some very dangerous misconceptions there, that prevent you from seeing the truth about what it takes to be saved.
At least I am saved.
 
Sincere repentance toward God naturally leads to faith in Jesus.
Genuine faith in Jesus necessarily produces repentance.
And repentance and faith always leads to salvation.

We see this clearly in Luke 7:36-50. A sinful woman weeps at Jesus' feet. Even before that, she boldly enters this Pharisee's house, without even being invited. Once in, she finds Jesus and weeps at His feet, wetting His feet with her tears, and then wiping them with her hair and kissing them, and finally anointing them with perfume.
Notice she never spoke a word. She never confessed Jesus as her Lord. She was not baptized.
Yet Jesus saw that she was truly repenting in her heart, because He said, "Your sins have been forgiven."
Jesus also saw that she had faith in Him in her heart, because He said, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
He declared her saved. Through her repentance and faith, she was saved.

It has been no different since the fall of man until today. Repentance and faith in God saves a person.
From Abel to Enoch to Noah to Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to Joseph to Moses to Rahab to Gideon to Barak to Samson, to Jephthah, to David, to Samuel, to the prophets, to the apostles, to the followers of Jesus, then and now - all these gained approval - salvation - through their faith. And where there is genuine faith, there is repentance. And where there is repentance and faith, there is salvation. Nothing more, nothing less.

This has been and still is the story of the Bible. It has not changed and will not change all the way up to the last day, the 2nd coming of Jesus. All glory to God!
 
Did you know that many, if not most Church of Christ churches say that they are the only true church? All others are hell-bound.
Although Doug claims that he is not part of that church, his doctrine fits theirs quite definitively. In fact, I believe I have heard him say that if a person disagrees with his interpretation of Scripture, then they are lost.

Look at #203. Doug says that everyone I teach is lost, on their way to hell, until they obey God and not me. So whatever church Doug belongs to - if any - if they agree with him, then they too believe that they are the only true church, just like Doug believes, or at least he believes he has the only true interpretation

By the way, the Jehovah's Witnesses think they are the only true church. Mormons think they are the only true church. Pretty much all cults think they are the only true church. That is a tell-tale sign of a cult.

Peter said that some of what Paul wrote was hard to understand. Isn't is just like Satan to zero in on all those verses that have been debated for centuries to come up with false doctrines? In fact, just about every New Testament author has said some things that are not clear at first glance.

I've been reading through testimonies of persons on youtube about "Why I left the Church of Christ". Legalism, adding works to the gospel, constant infighting between different churches who all say they are the "Church of Christ", and the only true church. They disagree about peripheral issues, making them salvation issues. Using musical instruments in church - some say even using a pitchpipe is a sin. There are only 5 acceptable, Biblical ways to worship, according to them. They must have communion every Sunday. Each church is autonomous, so they make up their own rules as they go along, and many do not agree with the other churches. One ex-CoC said that the prevalent emotion in many CoC churches is fear.

You shall know them, false prophets, by their fruit.

Alexander Campbell started this cult on May 4, 1811.
 
Sincere repentance toward God naturally leads to faith in Jesus.
Genuine faith in Jesus necessarily produces repentance.
And repentance and faith always leads to salvation.

We see this clearly in Luke 7:36-50. A sinful woman weeps at Jesus' feet. Even before that, she boldly enters this Pharisee's house, without even being invited. Once in, she finds Jesus and weeps at His feet, wetting His feet with her tears, and then wiping them with her hair and kissing them, and finally anointing them with perfume.
Notice she never spoke a word. She never confessed Jesus as her Lord. She was not baptized.
Yet Jesus saw that she was truly repenting in her heart, because He said, "Your sins have been forgiven."
Jesus also saw that she had faith in Him in her heart, because He said, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
He declared her saved. Through her repentance and faith, she was saved.
Is it that you are unwilling, or are you incapable, of understanding the difference between salvation before Jesus' death and after His death?

While Jesus was alive, He had the power and authority to forgive sin at His whim, for whatever evidence of faith that He chose to accept (Matt 9:6). But after His death, His will was set and cannot be changed (Heb 9:16-17). So before His death, Jesus could, and did, accept any evidence of faith that He wanted to accept. But after His death, the evidences of faith that are acceptable are only those that are stated in the NT as leading to or resulting in the reception of salvation.
It has been no different since the fall of man until today. Repentance and faith in God saves a person.
From Abel to Enoch to Noah to Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to Joseph to Moses to Rahab to Gideon to Barak to Samson, to Jephthah, to David, to Samuel, to the prophets, to the apostles, to the followers of Jesus, then and now - all these gained approval - salvation - through their faith. And where there is genuine faith, there is repentance. And where there is repentance and faith, there is salvation. Nothing more, nothing less.

This has been and still is the story of the Bible. It has not changed and will not change all the way up to the last day, the 2nd coming of Jesus. All glory to God!
They do indeed, if you properly understand what faith is. But if you have a faulty understanding of what faith is, then you will think that simply having an intellectual acceptance equals faith, which it does not.
Did you know that many, if not most Church of Christ churches say that they are the only true church? All others are hell-bound.
Although Doug claims that he is not part of that church, his doctrine fits theirs quite definitively. In fact, I believe I have heard him say that if a person disagrees with his interpretation of Scripture, then they are lost.

Look at #203. Doug says that everyone I teach is lost, on their way to hell, until they obey God and not me. So whatever church Doug belongs to - if any - if they agree with him, then they too believe that they are the only true church, just like Doug believes, or at least he believes he has the only true interpretation
Who is it that determines who is saved? It is God, is it not?
It is not you, nor is it me.
So to be saved, one must obey God. Not you, and not me; God.
So since you are teaching the false doctrine of "belief only", if someone follows you, they remain lost until they accept the truth and obey God's requirements to be saved.
Peter said that some of what Paul wrote was hard to understand. Isn't is just like Satan to zero in on all those verses that have been debated for centuries to come up with false doctrines? In fact, just about every New Testament author has said some things that are not clear at first glance.
The only reason the verses that speak of the requirement of baptism, or verbal, public confession are debated is because Satan knows that they are important and has gotten people like you to disagree with the proper interpretation of them. There is nothing ambiguous about Acts 2:38, or 1 Pet 3:21, or Rom 10:9-10. These verses are very clear, but the hardness of people's hearts makes them want to take the easy way out, and not yield to the authority of God.
I've been reading through testimonies of persons on youtube about "Why I left the Church of Christ". Legalism, adding works to the gospel, constant infighting between different churches who all say they are the "Church of Christ", and the only true church. They disagree about peripheral issues, making them salvation issues. Using musical instruments in church - some say even using a pitchpipe is a sin. There are only 5 acceptable, Biblical ways to worship, according to them. They must have communion every Sunday. Each church is autonomous, so they make up their own rules as they go along, and many do not agree with the other churches. One ex-CoC said that the prevalent emotion in many CoC churches is fear.

You shall know them, false prophets, by their fruit.

Alexander Campbell started this cult on May 4, 1811.
You bring up several points here about the Church for which Jesus died that are very important.
There should not be any infighting or arguments about this doctrine or that doctrine. Each congregation of the Church should be independent, with its own elders to lead and guide it. If one congregation believes that something is wrong, and the next congregation over believes it is right, unless it is expressly stated in Scripture, both of them can be correct (Matt 18:18-20, 1 Cor 8).
There is no evidence in Scripture for a ruling body that controls, organizes, or oversees large groups of congregations as the catholic, the southern baptist convention, and other similar denominations that claim to be the Church do.
I do not believe that the churches of Christ are the only true Church. They have many problems, and many false doctrines just as the baptist (and all other religious denominational) churches do. The mormons, jw's, and catholics are not really Christian religions. They pose as Christ followers, but have placed man's teachings above Scripture.

There are many, many people in the world today who think they are Christ followers, but in reality they have deceived themselves and have never been a Christ follower a day in their life.
 
"For the word of the cross (not baptism) ... to us who are being saved ... is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18
"God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the preaching (of the word of the cross) to save those who believe (not those who are baptized)." 1 Corinthians 1:21
"For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel ..." 1 Corinthians 1:17
Did you notice that these are two different things? Baptism is not preaching the gospel and preaching the gospel is not baptism.
Baptism is what is commanded for those who hear and believe the gospel - those who are already saved.

You are the one who is unwilling to accept that faith in God and faith in the work of Jesus on the cross is the ONLY "work" that God accepts for man's salvation, before His death, and after His death - nothing more, nothing less.

"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." John 6:29

The cross of Christ isn't good enough for you - you must add something to what He did, making your "salvation" something earned, not something received as a free gift.

He died to save all mankind from our sins. But apparently your sins aren't forgiven until you add 2 more works. Go ahead and do what you want. As for me, I'm trusting in Jesus and His sacrifice. You're not. You're trusting in adding what otherwise would be considered "deeds which you have done in righteousness" Titus 3:5 - confession and baptism. That verse says He did not save us on that basis, but according to His mercy, by causing us to be born again, and giving us His Holy Spirit. You're like the Judaizers. They wanted to add circumcision to what Jesus did on Calvary. Peter. Paul and James and the whole Jerusalem council said no - our hearts are cleansed from our sins by faith, through the grace of the Lord Jesus, not by circumcision (nor by baptism). Acts 15:9-11
 
"For the word of the cross (not baptism) ... to us who are being saved ... is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18
"God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the preaching (of the word of the cross) to save those who believe (not those who are baptized)." 1 Corinthians 1:21
"For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel ..." 1 Corinthians 1:17
Did you notice that these are two different things? Baptism is not preaching the gospel and preaching the gospel is not baptism.
Baptism is what is commanded for those who hear and believe the gospel - those who are already saved.
You keep trying to throw in this "(not baptism)" nonsense. You do realize that preaching the Gospel and baptism are not mutually exclusive. I have never said, nor will I ever say, that baptism is the source/cause/power behind salvation; it is not now, nor has it ever been. But it is the point at which God has said we actually receive salvation from Him.
You are the one who is unwilling to accept that faith in God and faith in the work of Jesus on the cross is the ONLY "work" that God accepts for man's salvation, before His death, and after His death - nothing more, nothing less.
Yes, faith, trust, not intellectual assent as you teach. Faith is not real if it does not include action. When Aladdin asked Jasmine if she trusted him before they jumped off the roof, if she had not jumped off the roof, would her trust/faith in Aladdin been real? No. Without action (jumping off the roof with him), her "yes" would have been a lie. It is the same with us. If we say we trust in God, then we will do what He says leads to our receiving His gift. If we do not do what He said, then we don't really trust Him.
"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." John 6:29
Again, "believe" means "have faith", and faith is not just a mental thing.
The cross of Christ isn't good enough for you - you must add something to what He did, making your "salvation" something earned, not something received as a free gift.
Not at all. I am adding NOTHING to what God did, or what God instructed us to do. He is the one who ordered that baptism is the point at which salvation is received, IN HIS WORD. I could never come up with something like baptism if God had not commanded it first.
He died to save all mankind from our sins. But apparently your sins aren't forgiven until you add 2 more works. Go ahead and do what you want. As for me, I'm trusting in Jesus and His sacrifice. You're not.
No, my friend, you are denying Him. You refuse to submit your will to His, and take Him at His Word. Like Naaman, you are on your way home without doing as God commanded. But while he knew he was still unclean, you think that you are clean because you accept that Jesus died and was raised again. Even demons accept that Jesus died and was raised again, even demons know that God is, but the demons will not be saved. Just having an intellectual acceptance of the truth does not bring salvation.
You're trusting in adding what otherwise would be considered "deeds which you have done in righteousness" Titus 3:5 - confession and baptism.
Wrong. I trust in God's promises. You deny the condition God placed upon His promises.
 
The hour is late . Soon all not in the lambs book of life
will have bought the lie that ecumeincalism and her interfaith has sold and will lead them too .
Let all who name the name of Christ depart from any who does her work .
Return to the scriptures and let us be refreshed .
 
You keep trying to throw in this "(not baptism)" nonsense. You do realize that preaching the Gospel and baptism are not mutually exclusive. I have never said, nor will I ever say, that baptism is the source/cause/power behind salvation; it is not now, nor has it ever been. But it is the point at which God has said we actually receive salvation from Him.

Yes, faith, trust, not intellectual assent as you teach. Faith is not real if it does not include action. When Aladdin asked Jasmine if she trusted him before they jumped off the roof, if she had not jumped off the roof, would her trust/faith in Aladdin been real? No. Without action (jumping off the roof with him), her "yes" would have been a lie. It is the same with us. If we say we trust in God, then we will do what He says leads to our receiving His gift. If we do not do what He said, then we don't really trust Him.

Again, "believe" means "have faith", and faith is not just a mental thing.

Not at all. I am adding NOTHING to what God did, or what God instructed us to do. He is the one who ordered that baptism is the point at which salvation is received, IN HIS WORD. I could never come up with something like baptism if God had not commanded it first.

No, my friend, you are denying Him. You refuse to submit your will to His, and take Him at His Word. Like Naaman, you are on your way home without doing as God commanded. But while he knew he was still unclean, you think that you are clean because you accept that Jesus died and was raised again. Even demons accept that Jesus died and was raised again, even demons know that God is, but the demons will not be saved. Just having an intellectual acceptance of the truth does not bring salvation.

Wrong. I trust in God's promises. You deny the condition God placed upon His promises.
Galatians 1:6-7 A different, distorted, twisted gospel is what you preach.
 
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