Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will

[Eternally-Grateful]

Could have stopped it no?

So how can a unbeliever, who God forsees never believing, believe?

Your view is also a clear violation of God's aseity. God is not dependent on His creation for His knowledge.

He would not believe. But Not because God withheld the ability. but because they chose. and God saw their unbelief

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Who is "them"?

Jesus tells us

the world ' Kosmos- literally those in satans kingdom who need rescued.

He could have stopped Him right? Instead He allowed the mas murder of 6 million people to preserve your precious free will?

yes he could of. But he is patient, willing non should perish.

So are we going to blame God for Hitler now?

Preserve my free will?

Or preserve Hitlers free will?

or prove God is the author of Evil. Hitler had no choice. He did what God commanded.

 

[Jim]

Could have stopped it no?

So how can a unbeliever, who God forsees never believing, believe?

Huh? What are you even talking about?

Your view is also a clear violation of God's aseity. God is not dependent on His creation for His knowledge.

Whay does God's aseity have to do with His foreknowledge? You seem to be among those who are unable to distinguish between God's foreknowledge and God's decrees. Or perhaps it is simply the refusal to distinguish the two.

 

[Jim]

So are we going to blame God for Hitler now?

That is precisely what they do. The determinists, whether they admit it or not, make God the creator, author and finisher of all evil.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

That is precisely what they do. The determinists, whether they admit it or not, make God the creator, author and finisher of all evil.

yeah, God forced adam to eat of the tree also..

its sickening

 

[TibiasDad]

Who is "us"?

Who is "our"?

Mankind as a whole, generally speaking.

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

You have the natural ability but lack the moral or the desire. God must act first.

He did, by sending Christ. The gospel and the work of the Spirit to bring us under conviction are acts of God.


Doug

 

[Dizerner]

So how can a unbeliever, who God forsees never believing, believe?

That's like asking, how can you choose the opposite of what you choose?

Your view is also a clear violation of God's aseity. God is not dependent on His creation for His knowledge.

Insisting God knows things the way creation knows things is making God like man.

Could have stopped it no?

Why ask that? Is the implication that God's personally guilty for what he allows?

 

[Red Baker]

Are you suggesting that God gave the commandments, known as the Law of Moses together with the natural ability to obey, but then acted only on some, in fact few in percentage, to give them the moral desire to obey? Clearly that same question can be asked concerning believing in God. Are you suggesting that God has made believing in Him, i.e., having faith in God, the critical factor for salvation, but then gives that ability to believe in Him to only some and not others?

What sort of God would do that? Why would God do that?

My answer to such questions is that God would not do such things. He would not act like that. God would not do that and He doesn't do that.

Jim my brother, I love you, great seeing you posting, even with a heavy heart.

 

[TibiasDad]

Who is "them"?

He could have stopped Him right? Instead He allowed the mas murder of 6 million people to preserve your precious free will?

Whereas your idea of God is that he deliberately decreed that it must necessarily happen…

Doug

 

[Presby02]

He would not believe. But Not because God withheld the ability. but because they chose. and God saw their unbelief

Could God have stopped the Holocaust?

 

[Presby02]

Whereas your idea of God is that he deliberately decreed that it must necessarily happen…

Doug

God created the world in such a way He knew it would happen. How can it be otherwise if God is omniscience. Same with the garden. The tree, Eve and the serpent were put there for a reason. To carry out Hods plan.

 

[Presby02]

He did, by sending Christ. The gospel and the work of the Spirit to bring us under conviction are acts of God.


Doug

I agree. So God had to act first.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Are you suggesting that God gave the commandments, known as the Law of Moses together with the natural ability to obey, but then acted only on some, in fact few in percentage, to give them the moral desire to obey? Clearly that same question can be asked concerning believing in God. Are you suggesting that God has made believing in Him, i.e., having faith in God, the critical factor for salvation, but then gives that ability to believe in Him to only some and not others?

What sort of God would do that? Why would God do that?

My answer to such questions is that God would not do such things. He would not act like that. God would not do that and He doesn't do that.

A god says he is a God of love.

then contradicts himself by doing such a heinous act by lack of love to millions and not even giving them a chance to be saved.

yeah. I do not think so..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

That is exactly what God does, yes.

God is free to do with His creation as He wishes. He does not have to save anyone. It's a miracle He chose to save anyone.

yes he is

But when he claims he is a God of love. he can not go against that character.

God is fully able to give his creation freedom to not only serve and love him, but to reject him.

that is how a relationship occurs in the natural world.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes He does. You dont get to dictate what is righteous and what is not.

nor do you. But we do get to dictate what love looks like. because God showed us in his word.

And the God you are trying to feed us does not follow his own commands

God can do with His creation as He wishes. Was He righteous in allowing the Holocaust to occur?

So what about the person is the reason He has elected them from the foundation of the world?

He told us when he came to earth.

it is the will of the father in heaven that all who believe will not perish, and live forever.

those who do not repent and believe will remain in a condemned state

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes. Since He didn't cause the Holocaust to occur.

I am amazed that people call a loving God a god who creates and does evil

His foreknowledge of what the person would do. He knew from before the foundation of who would believe in Him and would love Him.

amen, it is Gods will that all who see and believe.

From Abraham, to Noah, to Paul and Peter to everyone who trusts God and looks to God to save them, like the tax collector

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Could God have stopped the Holocaust?

does that mean if he did not he caused Hitler to kill millions?

come on...

 

[praise_yeshua]

Could God have stopped the Holocaust?

Why should He?

You should stop blaming God for YOUR choices. You speak like Satan.

 

[Presby02]

Why should He?

You should stop blaming God for YOUR choices. You speak like Satan.

The question was, could He, not should He.