Are Christians Today Required to Keep the Law of Moses?

[Soyeong]

if your going to keep the law to make it to heaven

In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew that, so the reason why our entrance in the the Kingdom of Heaven requires us to be workers of lawfulness is not in order to earn it as the result of being good enough, but because that is the way to know Jesus.

There is a better way, follow the law of love

Everything in the Mosaic Law is either in regards to how to love God or how to love our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on it, so it is the law of love and the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position hat we should obey the commandments that hang on them. Love does not involve doing something that is not in accordance with what the Mosaic Law instructs.

The problem is they do not show all sin, and as such, are unable to help us understand how to live.

Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits such as with unrighteousness being sin and sin is the transgression of the Mosaic Law because it was graciously given to teach us how to be a doer of God's character traits. It would be overwhelming to God to exhaustively teach how to be a doer of His character traits in every possible situation, so the point is to teach us how to be a doer of His character traits by teaching a limited set of laws that all have them in common. If we correctly understand God's character traits, then it will lead us to be a doer of them in accordance with what God's law instructs and will be able to discern what is in accordance with God's character traits even in stations that God's law does not specifically y address.

Jesus tried to explain this in one of his great sermons,,

the law says..... but i tell you.....

exposing the law as not able to show you all ways in which any command could be broken. and make us appear we are more righteous than we are (the pharisees saw themselves as more righteous. obeying the letter.. Jesus exposed them

In Matthew 4, Jesus consistently preceded a quote from what was written by saying "it was written...", but in Matthew 5, he consistently preceded a quote from what the people had heard being said by saying "you have heard that it was said...", so his emphasis on the different form of communication is important. Jesus was not sinning in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by making changes to what was written, but rather he was fulfilling the law by correcting what the people had heard being said and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended. The problem was that those Pharisees were incorrectly teaching God's law.

Jesus also then showed them a fact. Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.

There would be no point in telling people who have already sinned that they need to have perfect obedience. In Matthew 5:43-48, Jesus was speaking about having a love that is hole, refined, or complete where don't just love those who love us but also love our enemies, not speaking about having sinless obedience to the command to love.

There is the just requirement of the law. as given By Moses in Deut 27: 26 "cursed is the one" as we are reminded by Paul, ' Anyone under the law is under a curse (gal 3) and re-enforced by James,, that if we stumble in one point, we are guilty. James 2: 10)

Saying that cursed is the one who does not continue to do everything in the Book of the Law is encouraging us to continue to do everything in the Book of the Law, not speaking about perfect obedience. In Deuteronomy 11:26-32, the difference between being under God's blessing or His curse is not based on whether or not we have perfect obedience but on whether we choose to serve God or to chase after other gods. While all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, everyone being under God's curse does not reflect the reality of what is recorded about those who served God, just those who chased after other gods.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had already sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they needed to have perfect obedience because that would have already been too late and he was not discouraging them from trying to keep God's law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and obey God's law more consistently. Repentance doesn't change the fact that we have not had perfect obedience, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience.

so while breaking a law is still sin.. The law was fulfilled in Christ. so those who have come to Christ follow a new law 9the law of love or law of christ) which can do what the old law could never do. actually bring us up to maturity

Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall love live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so there is no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ or the law of love is something other than or contrary to anything that God has spoken.

 

[Soyeong]

If anyone is under the law. they have no hope of eternity with God. Because no one has kept the law.

In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus ha become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him and nowhere does it suggest that no one has obeyed him. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit the gift of eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments and nowhere did he suggest that no one has kept it. In Matthew 7:24, Jesus did not end the Sermon on the Mount by saying that he was just kidding and that no one can actually do as he said but rather he said that everyone who hears his words and does them is like a man who builds his house on the rock. Moreover, there are many example in the Bible of people who did keep the law, such with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14.

Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Galatians 3:10-14

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith​

According to Deuteronomy 27-30, the way to be blessed is by relying on the Book of the Law while the way to be cursed is by not relying on it, so Galatians 3:10 should not be interpreted as Paul quoting from that passage in order to support a point that is arguing the opposite of that passage. Rather, everyone who does not rely on the Book of the Law is under a curse, which is why those who rely on works of the law instead come under that curse.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew that, so the reason why our entrance in the the Kingdom of Heaven requires us to be workers of lawfulness is not in order to earn it as the result of being good enough, but because that is the way to know Jesus.

thats because Gods people do what he commands.

it does not mean they kept the law.

Everything in the Mosaic Law is either in regards to how to love God or how to love our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on it, so it is the law of love and the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position hat we should obey the commandments that hang on them. Love does not involve doing something that is not in accordance with what the Mosaic Law instructs.

You better be perfect my friend. When is the last time you sacrificed an animal for your sin?

Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits such as with unrighteousness being sin and sin is the transgression of the Mosaic Law because it was graciously given to teach us how to be a doer of God's character traits. It would be overwhelming to God to exhaustively teach how to be a doer of His character traits in every possible situation, so the point is to teach us how to be a doer of His character traits by teaching a limited set of laws that all have them in common. If we correctly understand God's character traits, then it will lead us to be a doer of them in accordance with what God's law instructs and will be able to discern what is in accordance with God's character traits even in stations that God's law does not specifically y address.

Sin is anything we do when we put self over others.

the results of this are seen in that we break commands. But sin occurred long before we actually broke that command.

In Matthew 4, Jesus consistently preceded a quote from what was written by saying "it was written...", but in Matthew 5, he consistently preceded a quote from what the people had heard being said by saying "you have heard that it was said...", so his emphasis on the different form of communication is important. Jesus was not sinning in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by making changes to what was written, but rather he was fulfilling the law by correcting what the people had heard being said and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended. The problem was that those Pharisees were incorrectly teaching God's law.


There would be no point in telling people who have already sinned that they need to have perfect obedience. In Matthew 5:43-48, Jesus was speaking about having a love that is hole, refined, or complete where don't just love those who love us but also love our enemies, not speaking about having sinless obedience to the command to love.


Saying that cursed is the one who does not continue to do everything in the Book of the Law is encouraging us to continue to do everything in the Book of the Law, not speaking about perfect obedience. In Deuteronomy 11:26-32, the difference between being under God's blessing or His curse is not based on whether or not we have perfect obedience but on whether we choose to serve God or to chase after other gods. While all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, everyone being under God's curse does not reflect the reality of what is recorded about those who served God, just those who chased after other gods.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had already sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they needed to have perfect obedience because that would have already been too late and he was not discouraging them from trying to keep God's law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and obey God's law more consistently. Repentance doesn't change the fact that we have not had perfect obedience, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience.


Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall love live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so there is no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ or the law of love is something other than or contrary to anything that God has spoken.

lol.. Again.

You better be perfect.

if your not. You have failed to keep the law

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus ha become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him and nowhere does it suggest that no one has obeyed him. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit the gift of eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments and nowhere did he suggest that no one has kept it. In Matthew 7:24, Jesus did not end the Sermon on the Mount by saying that he was just kidding and that no one can actually do as he said but rather he said that everyone who hears his words and does them is like a man who builds his house on the rock. Moreover, there are many example in the Bible of people who did keep the law, such with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14.


According to Deuteronomy 27-30, the way to be blessed is by relying on the Book of the Law while the way to be cursed is by not relying on it, so Galatians 3:10 should not be interpreted as Paul quoting from that passage in order to support a point that is arguing the opposite of that passage. Rather, everyone who does not rely on the Book of the Law is under a curse, which is why those who rely on works of the law instead come under that curse.

again

you better be perfect.

If not. you are condemned by the very law you claim you follow

if I was you I would repent and come to christ. for only he can save you as he became that curse for you

 

[mikesw]

In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus ha become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him and nowhere does it suggest that no one has obeyed him. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit the gift of eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments and nowhere did he suggest that no one has kept it. In Matthew 7:24, Jesus did not end the Sermon on the Mount by saying that he was just kidding and that no one can actually do as he said but rather he said that everyone who hears his words and does them is like a man who builds his house on the rock. Moreover, there are many example in the Bible of people who did keep the law, such with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14.

A significant element of the Sermon on the Mount was to show the people that the attempt to live by the Mosaic law was not a way of reconciliation because attaining of righteousness by one's own effort through the law did not actually get to the heart of the sin that the law exposed. For example, murder actually arose out of hate. The divorce certificate did not resolve the actual problem that divorce is sin and arises out of sin.
For the Christian who understands this message, the grace of Christ is sought for our weaknesses. The legalist Christian seeks more laws to justify himself.

According to Deuteronomy 27-30, the way to be blessed is by relying on the Book of the Law while the way to be cursed is by not relying on it, so Galatians 3:10 should not be interpreted as Paul quoting from that passage in order to support a point that is arguing the opposite of that passage. Rather, everyone who does not rely on the Book of the Law is under a curse, which is why those who rely on works of the law instead come under that curse.

Wow. So for adherence to this interpretation of Gal 3:10 the idea is to stay under the curse of the law. I wonder how that complete reversal of Paul's message is justified. If you want to be a Christian living in the freedom of Christ, it does not help to bury yourself in the OT system that required sacrifices. Jesus became the sacrifice and completed the OT system, not extended it.

 

[Soyeong]

again

you better be perfect.

If not. you are condemned by the very law you claim you follow

if I was you I would repent and come to christ. for only he can save you as he became that curse for you

The only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully repent, have our sins forgiven, and continue to be doers of the law. The law does not bring condemnation to those who are doers of it but only to those who refuse to e doers of it. In Romans 8:1, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, and in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked, so there is only no condemnation for those who are following his example of walking in obedience to God’s law. The way to come to Christ is not by refusing to follow his example. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God’s law (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

The only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully repent, have our sins forgiven, and continue to be doers of the law. The law does not bring condemnation to those who are doers of it but only to those who refuse to e doers of it. In Romans 8:1, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, and in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked, so there is only no condemnation for those who are following his example of walking in obedience to God’s law. The way to come to Christ is not by refusing to follow his example. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God’s law (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

you need to be perfect to save yourself.

otherwise, you have to recieve Christ's sacrifice on your behalf and recieve his salvation.

 

[Soyeong]

you need to be perfect to save yourself.

otherwise, you have to recieve Christ's sacrifice on your behalf and recieve his salvation.

God did not give His law as instructions for how to save ourselves, so someone wouldn’t save themselves even if they managed to live in perfect obedience to it. Relying on ourselves does not involve relying on anyone else, so it is contradictory to think that we are relying on ourselves by obediently relying on God’s instructions. God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to rely on God is by obediently relying on His instructions and it would be contradictory to think that we should rely on God for salvation but not on God’s instructions or to think that we should rely on God’s Word made flesh for salvation but not on God’s Word. Again Jesus graciously teaching us to a doer of the law intrinsically the way that he is saving us from not being a doer of it, not the way that we are saving ourselves. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Christ accomplished through the cross and to receive his salvation is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God’s law (Acts 21:20).

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

God did not give His law as instructions for how to save ourselves, so someone wouldn’t save themselves even if they managed to live in perfect obedience to it. Relying on ourselves does not involve relying on anyone else, so it is contradictory to think that we are relying on ourselves by obediently relying on God’s instructions. God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to rely on God is by obediently relying on His instructions and it would be contradictory to think that we should rely on God for salvation but not on God’s instructions or to think that we should rely on God’s Word made flesh for salvation but not on God’s Word. Again Jesus graciously teaching us to a doer of the law intrinsically the way that he is saving us from not being a doer of it, not the way that we are saving ourselves. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Christ accomplished through the cross and to receive his salvation is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God’s law (Acts 21:20).

Your right,

He gave it to expose your sins, and point you to christ.


when will you fulfill the law in your life

 

[mikesw]

to follow the Mosaic law, you must return 7 sheep to someone if you stole one. You must present animal sacrifices for your sins. You must exit the camp if you have a nocturnal emission.
Deuteronomy 23:12–13 (ESV)
12“You shall have a place outside the camp, and you shall go out to it.
13And you shall have a trowel with your tools, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig a hole with it and turn back and cover up your excrement.

Leviticus 7:19 (ESV)
19“Flesh that touches any unclean thing shall not be eaten. It shall be burned up with fire. All who are clean may eat flesh,

You should know this point just in case it happens:
Leviticus 11:29–32 (ESV)
29“And these are unclean to you among the swarming things that swarm on the ground: the mole rat, the mouse, the great lizard of any kind,
30the gecko, the monitor lizard, the lizard, the sand lizard, and the chameleon.
31These are unclean to you among all that swarm. Whoever touches them when they are dead shall be unclean until the evening.
32And anything on which any of them falls when they are dead shall be unclean, whether it is an article of wood or a garment or a skin or a sack, any article that is used for any purpose. It must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the evening; then it shall be clean.

There are many other laws you have to be ready to follow and thus be aware of if you want to be subject to the Mosaic law.

Of people who say they are obligated to the Mosaic law, I doubt any of them study it to the necessary detail. They should also just reduce the Pentateuch to a list of laws that they will follow so they do not get burdened with the unnecessary content.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

to follow the Mosaic law, you must return 7 sheep to someone if you stole one. You must present animal sacrifices for your sins. You must exit the camp if you have a nocturnal emission.
Deuteronomy 23:12–13 (ESV)
12“You shall have a place outside the camp, and you shall go out to it.
13And you shall have a trowel with your tools, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig a hole with it and turn back and cover up your excrement.

Leviticus 7:19 (ESV)
19“Flesh that touches any unclean thing shall not be eaten. It shall be burned up with fire. All who are clean may eat flesh,

You should know this point just in case it happens:
Leviticus 11:29–32 (ESV)
29“And these are unclean to you among the swarming things that swarm on the ground: the mole rat, the mouse, the great lizard of any kind,
30the gecko, the monitor lizard, the lizard, the sand lizard, and the chameleon.
31These are unclean to you among all that swarm. Whoever touches them when they are dead shall be unclean until the evening.
32And anything on which any of them falls when they are dead shall be unclean, whether it is an article of wood or a garment or a skin or a sack, any article that is used for any purpose. It must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the evening; then it shall be clean.

There are many other laws you have to be ready to follow and thus be aware of if you want to be subject to the Mosaic law.

Of people who say they are obligated to the Mosaic law, I doubt any of them study it to the necessary detail. They should also just reduce the Pentateuch to a list of laws that they will follow so they do not get burdened with the unnecessary content.

1 Timothy 1:7
desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

 

[Soyeong]

Your right,

He gave it to expose your sins, and point you to christ.


when will you fulfill the law in your life

In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so God’s law points us to Christ because it was graciously given in Pedro teach us how to have an intimate relationship with him.

According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so it is not difficult to do and us something that both of us have probably done many times.

 

[Studyman]

to follow the Mosaic law, you must return 7 sheep to someone if you stole one. You must present animal sacrifices for your sins. You must exit the camp if you have a nocturnal emission.

To have any hope of Eternal Life you must Eat the Flesh of Jesus and Drink the Blood of Jesus, it's a Command from Jesus Himself.

Perhaps if you were to seek the Righteousness of God, like the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs, and strive from the heart to understand God's message through HIS Commandment, instead of using them as an excuse to live in disobedience to God's Laws, you might understand why Paul said they were written "For our Sakes no doubt", and why the Jesus "of the Bible" said to live by Every Word, as HE did.

 

[Studyman]

In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew that, so the reason why our entrance in the the Kingdom of Heaven requires us to be workers of lawfulness is not in order to earn it as the result of being good enough, but because that is the way to know Jesus.

The Kingdom of Heaven is something a man is to Seek for. It is a precious Prize worth giving all that we have to obtain. God has shown men the Narrow Path to this destination, and Promised "them who by patient continuance "in well doing" seek for glory and honour and immortality, "eternal life":

It is the will of the Father, that we believe in the Christ that HE sent. The Christ tells me that if I want to Enter Life, to "Keep God's commandments". He instructs me to "Live by" Every Word of God, not religions or the men who promote them.

If we Love Him, and Trust Him, we will "Seek His Righteousness" and become Learned of the Father, and will strive to obey Him with all of our heart, which HE knows. He then gives us to His Son Jesus for cleansing and to be made perfect, even as His Father in Heaven is perfect.

Humble submission and obedience to God is the whole duty of man, as Jesus clearly shows us. Paul and I understand this, and it seems you do as well. For this reason we "Press towards the Prize of perfection" as Jesus instructed and Paul teaches.

Phil. 3: 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, "if that I may apprehend" that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 "I press toward the mark" for the prize of the high calling of God, (Perfection) (Which is) in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many "as be perfect", be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

We all have "Works" and we are to be judged by them, and for this reason, Paul teaches:

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, "that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him".

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, "according to that he hath done", whether it be good or bad.

1 Cor. 15: 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding "in the work of the Lord", (the Good works God before ordained that we should walk in them) forasmuch as ye know that "your labour" is not in vain in the Lord.

I am both encouraged and overjoyed that you too, Soyeong, have come to understand these things, as the Path Jesus walked is Narrow, and Few believe in Him enough to choose it.

 

[mikesw]

To have any hope of Eternal Life you must Eat the Flesh of Jesus and Drink the Blood of Jesus, it's a Command from Jesus Himself.

Perhaps if you were to seek the Righteousness of God, like the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs, and strive from the heart to understand God's message through HIS Commandment, instead of using them as an excuse to live in disobedience to God's Laws, you might understand why Paul said they were written "For our Sakes no doubt", and why the Jesus "of the Bible" said to live by Every Word, as HE did.

That judgmental attitude is one of the evils of trying to live by the Mosaic law. The letter of the law kills. It seeks to destroy grace.

If you restore the Mosaic law you have made Jesus a minister of sin (Gal 2:15-18).

I'm sorry that I do not know your beliefs and how to address this in a more complete way.

 

[Studyman]

That judgmental attitude is one of the evils of trying to live by the Mosaic law.

First, Moses never created even ONE Law that I am aware of. But if you can find one, please show me so I can know what Law Moses created. The God and Father of the Lord's Christ, who Jesus said to be perfect as, and whose Word's Jesus said to Live by, and whose commandments Jesus said to Keep, in order to enter Life, gave to Moses every Law Moses gave to men, at least this is my understanding. If I am in error regarding this, please show me and thus correct me.

I don't believe Jesus or Paul had a judgmental attitude towards men who were striving to "Live by" the Laws of God that
HE gave to Moses. Much less that He was Evil towards men who "Yielded themselves" to God like HE did and like Paul taught other to do.

Who told you that Jesus had a Judgmental Attitude towards men who strived to "Live By" Every Word of God?

Why would you make such an accusation? Why not just tell the Folks where you found the Flesh of Jesus to eat, since you believe that to obey God's Laws one must kill sheep and goats, and "not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn"?

Should you not be prepared to explain you own posts, preaching to others on a forum? Do you really not see the point here?

The letter of the law kills. It seeks to destroy grace.

Can you show me the "Letter of the Law" that kills? I agree that such a Law exists, I'm hoping since you are the one declaring it, that you might show us what letter of the Law kills.

I mean, there is a Law that says, "Though shall not hate thy brother in thy heart"? Is this the Letter of the Law that kills? There is another Law, "Thou shall Love thy neighbor as thyself". Is this the "Letter of the Law" that kills?

I want to understand your posts so I can see what "Letter of the Law" kills grace, as this is pretty serious judgment against God's Laws.

I look forward to your answer.

If you restore the Mosaic law you have made Jesus a minister of sin (Gal 2:15-18).

So just to be clear, Jesus walked in God's Laws that HE gave to Moses, "Perfectly", and never transgressed even ONE LAW of God. And He told me to be just like Him, and HE said to "Live by" the Same Word's HE Lived by so as to be perfect, even as his Father who gave the Laws in the first place is perfect. Are you really preaching that HE was the minister of Sin, because HE told men to "Go and transgress God's Commandments no more"?

Who is teaching you this stuff?

As to your reference of Gal. 2: Please explain yourself here.

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the "works of the law", but by the faith (Belief) of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by "the works" of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

These Jews Paul is addressing, they have sinned, Yes? That is the reason why they need "Justification", Yes? If you not believe this to be true, then please show me in the Scriptures where it is written that All men have sinned, but not all men need justified.

So what Law did God give to Moses, that the Jews were still promoting, to justify/atone/forgive a man's sin.

Did God tell Moses, "When a man sins, he shall keep the 10 commandments, and he is justified of his sin? I don't think so, but if you can find a place where HE did, please show me. Did Moses say, "if a man sins, he shall Keep the 7th Day Holy, and His Sins are forgiven? No, I don't think such a commandment exists, but again, if you know of a place where it does, then please show me.

There is a Law that was "ADDED", because of transgressions, (Golden calf) "Till the Seed should come". This Temporary Law of God, a shadow of the Sacrifices the Christ made for me, commands that if a man sins, he should take a goat or a sheep or yearling bull to a Levite Priest, and "Kill it" and then this priest would provide for the forgiveness/justification of the man's sins.

Is this the Law the Pharisees, who didn't believe Jesus was the Lamb of God, were still promoting to the Galatians? We know it was a Temporary covenant, that was "ADDED" as a mercy because of transgressions, and ADDED until the Lamb of God came.

I bet that Paul is speaking about these "Works of the Law", given what is written about them in the Holy scriptures.

Heb. 10: 1 For the law (What Law?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

No doubt Paul was right, and the old priesthood covenant with Levi, with it's sacrificial "Works of the Law" can not justify any flesh.

Besides, Jesus forgave the sins of a lot of people, and never shed the blood of even one goat. And of course Not, "HE WAS the SEED" that should come!!!

I'm sorry that I do not know your beliefs and how to address this in a more complete way.

You can start by actually telling men where you found the Blood of Jesus to drink, and His Flesh to eat, as Jesus Commanded, since you are preaching that I can't obey God's Laws HE gave to Moses unless I literally kill goats and calves, and shall "not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn".

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so God’s law points us to Christ because it was graciously given in Pedro teach us how to have an intimate relationship with him.

He said he never knew them
who are them? Those who tried to get to God their way (by works)

According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so it is not difficult to do and us something that both of us have probably done many times.

lol.. Again, YOU MUST BE PERFECT AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.

If your not perfect. The law condemns you where you stand.

I pray you see this soon.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

That judgmental attitude is one of the evils of trying to live by the Mosaic law. The letter of the law kills. It seeks to destroy grace.

If you restore the Mosaic law you have made Jesus a minister of sin (Gal 2:15-18).

I'm sorry that I do not know your beliefs and how to address this in a more complete way.

Amen.

Jesus made this clear in his sermon.

the law says... but I tell you...

The law was given to expose our sin. not tell us how to stop it

 

[Studyman]

He said he never knew them
who are them? Those who tried to get to God their way (by works)

You almost spoke the truth here, and perhaps it was just a typo. Here, let's adjust your statement a little so as to align with what Jesus was actually saying.

"Those who tried to enter the Kingdom of Heaven their way (by "Their" works)

Remember, Jesus just got through telling you that by a man's "Fruits/Works", you shall know him. Everyone has works. They are either Lawful works or unlawful works. This is undeniable Biblical Truth.

Every Man enters a Path in this life. Jesus teaches to "Enter the Narrow Path" not "Enter the Broad Path". Both are "works". One is a Work instructed by Christ, given to Him by God, the other is a work instructed by "another voice in the garden". One is a lawful work, one is an unlawful work.

Jesus just said, "21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he "that doeth" the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Again, as anyone can clearly see, it's not calling Jesus Lord, Lord, that matters in this life, it's the "Works" that we do. Doing the "Will of God" is a "Lawful work". Rejecting the "Will of God" is an "unlawful work". Jesus just said that those who shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven, are those who "Doeth" the Lawful Work, (the will of God).

He goes on to confirm the importance of "Whose works" a man lives by.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, "and doeth them", (A Work) I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and "doeth them not", (Also a Work) shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Remember EG, according to God and His Son, the Jesus "of the bible", men are to be judged by their "Works". If they walk in the Good Works God before ordained that we should walk in them, then we are not walking in "mans" works, but in Gods Work, which is Spiritual. And His Works have already been judged acceptable to Him. Walking in God's Works is walking in the Spirit. Walking in man's works is walking in the flesh. When a man walks in the Spirit, there is no condemnation.

If these men had called Jesus Lord, Lord, and had walked in the Works God before ordained that they should walk in them, that would be walking in the Spirit, and Jesus would have said to them, "Well done good and Faithful servant". But they only honored HIM with their Lips.

lol.. Again, YOU MUST BE PERFECT AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.

Yes, Perfection is the Mark, the Goal, the Prize of the High calling of God, which was "In Christ Jesus", that HE Commanded His People to press towards. Paul and I, and others who believe in Jesus, "Press Towards" this Mark, for the Prize of the High calling of God. I am not yet perfect, but this one thing I do, "forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before", I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God (Perfection) in Christ Jesus. And this in Faith that Jesus is there to pick me up and wash me off when I fall. You clearly have been convinced by "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, that this command from Jesus is unworthy of your effort or Labor, even to the point of condemning the endeavor. That our Labor in the Lord is Vain. Paul saw this philosophy coming.

1 Cor. 15: Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Soyeong believes it is a "Saying" of the Christ worth "doing". A Path worth entering, even if it is unpopular in the world God placed him in.

The Scriptures warn of other voices in the garden that try and trip men up, who have entered this narrow path. Your post represents this other voice. You should really step back and consider this.

If your not perfect. The law condemns you where you stand.

God's Law is the standard by which perfection is measured. I would not have known the perfection Jesus Himself Commanded, if God's Law had not defined it for me, and Jesus had not walked in it. If you believed in the Christ "of the bible", you would know that HE forgives the sins of the repentant. As HE teaches, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish". The man that steals has the chance to go and steal no more, to put on a new man that no longer steals. This is only possible because of Jesus' Sacrifice. Your statement completely ignores this undeniable Biblical Truth.

And for the man of God, his uncleanness, sins and unrighteousness is revealed to him over time as a man grows in the Knowledge of Christ as he "puts on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


13 "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, "may grow up into him in all things", which is the head, even Christ:

These Christians in Matt. 7, like "many" who preach in Christ's Name, were not "Pressing towards the Prize of perfection that was in Christ Jesus", as Jesus Commands. They had not "put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness".

Your post miss-represents Jesus' teaching. You should really think about this.

I pray you see this soon.

We are better served, in my understanding, addressing the beams in our own eyes, and examining our own self as to whether our works are wrought in God or man.

The prayers of men who work iniquity have little value.

 

[Studyman]

Amen.

Jesus made this clear in his sermon.

the law says... but I tell you...

I have heard the wicked and blasphemous philosophy promoted by "Many", who "Come in Christ's Name", that in Matthew 5, Jesus taught differently than God His Father, in the Law and Prophets.

They deceitfully post, that the "Them of old time" Jesus referred to in Matt. 5, was His Father and Moses, and not the corrupt priests who were partial in the Law that the entire Bible teaches about.

Your post eludes to this evil teaching. I want to point out that Jesus wasn't correcting His Father or Moses in Matthew 5. He was exposing the promoters of the mainstream religions of the world of His time and before, how they omitted the weightier matter "of the Law". Here is the proof for those interested in what Jesus was really teaching.

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and "whosoever shall kill" shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 "But I say unto you", That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

So what Laws did God give Moses?

Ex. 20: 13 Thou shalt not kill.

Lev. 24: 17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.

Lev. 19: 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

The Jesus, "of the bible" was not "partial in the Law". The "Them of Old Time" were Partial in the Law.

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, "but have been partial in the law".

Jesus confirms this again;

Matt. 23: 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, "and have omitted" the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

In EVERY case, what Jesus said, and what the Law and Prophets taught, were identical.

Prov. 6: 24 To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman. 25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.

The "Them of Old Time" was not God and Moses at all. And yet you are here preaching that it was, just as this world's entire religious system teaches that it was. That Jesus and God were not promoting the same Laws. That they were not of One Mind.

Matt. 5: 33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, "Swear not at all"; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Duet. 23: 21 When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee. 22 But if thou shalt "forbear to vow", (Vow not at all) it shall be no sin in thee.

When a person actually studies for themselves, they will find that in EVERY CASE, when Jesus said, "But I Say", HE is aligned perfectly with the Law and Prophets, just as HE told you earlier in the same Chapter.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus has not yet returned, and if HE doesn't return to "fulfill" all things, my Faith is in Vain.

So EG, I know it's uncomfortable to be corrected and or rebuked. But you are furthering wicked falsehoods about God and Jesus when you imply or preach that Jesus, in Matt. 5, brought different Laws than those His Father gave to Moses and the Prophets.

This is only one example of many, many false teaching promoted by this world's religious system. This is the reason why I reply on this forum, to post what is actually written in the hopes that folks might consider them and understand why Jesus warned specifically of the "Many" who "Come in His Name, who "Call Him Lord, Lord.

I hope you might consider what is actually written in Matthew 5.