Are Christians Today Required to Keep the Law of Moses?

[praise_yeshua]

God is personal. He called out Abraham by name and made covenant with him.
He called out David and made a covenant with him.
God even called out MY NAME and invaded my life in a very personal way.
Hebrews 11 records the "Hall of Faith" and these all were personally known to God and named in Scripture.

Jews were the first Calvinists.

Luk 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

I realize you believe this. Though I began my journey in faith battling in many ways Calvinism. I moved on shortly thereafter. I soon realized they were not the originalists in their beliefs in being "chosen". Modern Christianity is largely just various groups of people all claiming to be chosen by God personally. Such things feed the ego of ashes we came from.

You think that you'd at least share some of this "glory" with others beyond just the so very few that you include in your own experiences. God must really get tired of having to choose between all of you.

If God made covenant with Gentiles it had to begin with one Gentile as was done with ONE Abraham, ONE David, etc.
So, tell me YOU who claims God made covenant with Gentiles tell me what was that Gentile's name?

(psst...there is no such thing. God never made any kind of covenant of salvation, blessing, protection, etc., with Gentiles. NONE. There's NOTHING in Scripture that says such a thing and that's why you can't find what I ask because it doesn't exist. God made NO COVENANT with Gentiles. NONE.

Nonsense. The very ancestry of Jesus Christ includes a Moabite. Not a Gentile. A Moabite.

Ah, but you don't include women do you..... That is intentional too. There is a reason that Paul warned Timothy about the strife that exists in foolish genealogies.

You really haven't thought your theology through. You've done more than others but you can only go so far in unbelief.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jews were the first Calvinists.

Luk 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

I realize you believe this. Though I began my journey in faith battling in many ways Calvinism. I moved on shortly thereafter. I soon realized they were not the originalists in their beliefs in being "chosen". Modern Christianity is largely just various groups of people all claiming to be chosen by God personally. Such things feed the ego of ashes we came from.

You think that you'd at least share some of this "glory" with others beyond just the so very few that you include in your own experiences. God must really get tired of having to choose between all of you.



Nonsense. The very ancestry of Jesus Christ includes a Moabite. Not a Gentile. A Moabite.

Ah, but you don't include women do you..... That is intentional too. There is a reason that Paul warned Timothy about the strife that exists in foolish genealogies.

You really haven't thought your theology through. You've done more than others but you can only go so far in unbelief.

I agree to the non-Hebrew Gentile in Jesus' family tree. It's Bible.
And the seed that came out of Ruth and Boaz were what? Non-Hebrew?

The marital union of Ruth and Boaz resulted in the birth of a son named Obed.

Obed became the grandfather of King David, and a direct ancestor of Jesus Christ, as recorded in the genealogies of Matthew and Luke. The story of Ruth and Boaz is not just a love story, but a crucial part of the lineage that led to the Messiah.

Judaism is a monotheistic religion and a culture with a rich history spanning over 3,000 years. It originated in the Middle East and is one of the oldest monotheistic religions.

Jewish people, also known as Jews, are a community linked by shared religious and cultural traditions, history, and a connection to the land of Israel. The core tenets of Judaism include belief in one God, the covenant between God and the Jewish people, and the importance of the Torah, which contains the laws and commandments given by God.

Key aspects of Jewish life and practice include:

• Torah: The central text of Judaism, believed to be the word of God revealed to Moses.
• Synagogue: The Jewish house of worship and community center.
• Shabbat: The weekly day of rest, from Friday evening to Saturday evening.
• Kosher: A set of dietary laws that govern what foods can be eaten and how they must be prepared.
• Holidays: A cycle of holidays that commemorate important events in Jewish history, such as Passover, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Hanukkah.

The Jewish population is diverse, with communities all over the world. The largest populations are in Israel and the United States.

Everyone who is born-again would have to have at least ONE Hebrew in their genealogy. Jesus is multi-ethnic and is also of the seed of Abraham. Thus, because of God Hebrews that have a non-Hebrew in their lineage (ancestry) would also be of Abraham's seed and therefore remain heirs of the promises God gave to Abraham and to His seed - even mixed-race Hebrews today.

 

[TomL]

I agree to the non-Hebrew Gentile in Jesus' family tree. It's Bible.
And the seed that came out of Ruth and Boaz were what? Non-Hebrew?

The marital union of Ruth and Boaz resulted in the birth of a son named Obed.

Obed became the grandfather of King David, and a direct ancestor of Jesus Christ, as recorded in the genealogies of Matthew and Luke. The story of Ruth and Boaz is not just a love story, but a crucial part of the lineage that led to the Messiah.

Judaism is a monotheistic religion and a culture with a rich history spanning over 3,000 years. It originated in the Middle East and is one of the oldest monotheistic religions.

Jewish people, also known as Jews, are a community linked by shared religious and cultural traditions, history, and a connection to the land of Israel. The core tenets of Judaism include belief in one God, the covenant between God and the Jewish people, and the importance of the Torah, which contains the laws and commandments given by God.

Key aspects of Jewish life and practice include:

• Torah: The central text of Judaism, believed to be the word of God revealed to Moses.
• Synagogue: The Jewish house of worship and community center.
• Shabbat: The weekly day of rest, from Friday evening to Saturday evening.
• Kosher: A set of dietary laws that govern what foods can be eaten and how they must be prepared.
• Holidays: A cycle of holidays that commemorate important events in Jewish history, such as Passover, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Hanukkah.

The Jewish population is diverse, with communities all over the world. The largest populations are in Israel and the United States.

Everyone who is born-again would have to have at least ONE Hebrew in their genealogy. Jesus is multi-ethnic and is also of the seed of Abraham. Thus, because of God Hebrews that have a non-Hebrew in their lineage (ancestry) would also be of Abraham's seed and therefore remain heirs of the promises God gave to Abraham and to His seed - even mixed-race Hebrews today.

And rejection of Christ overall

 

[jeremiah1five]

And rejection of Christ overall

It doesn't matter for the sin of rejection is also covered by the blood of the sacrifice and in accordance with the Law of Moses Jesus died like the animal was sacrificed - to and for the children of Israel ONLY.
Jesus fulfilled the Law in which the animal sacrifices were slain to atone for the sins of the children of Israel.
The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah is only the Law of Moses fulfilled by Christ. The New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34 does not contain a mechanism by which God would "forgive them [Israel] sins and remember them no more."

God reached back to the Law where the mechanism is to die as the animal sacrificed did to atone for the sins of the children of Israel. The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus the Christ. Jesus died under the Law for Israel, and it was His blood, His sacrifice performed by God through which God could finally and eternally atone for the sins of the children of Israel which would take Israel from the Mosaic Covenant into the New Covenant in Jesus' blood. This act of God occurred on the day of Jesus' last Passover in the upper room on that very same night He was betrayed...

"...took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 1 Corinthians 11:23–25.

While observing the Mosaic Covenant Jesus instituted the New Covenant in His blood for "life is in the blood."
And in Jesus' case, eternal life for the children of Israel through the obeying of the Law of Moses in the Mosaic Covenant.

When we look at the New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah we see this:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour (member of another tribe living next to you), and every man his brother (member of the same tribe), saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:33–34.

They, them and their all identify the children of Israel whose sins God has forgiven. This was done while Jesus was under the Law to save those who were under the Law. Jesus was sacrificed under the Law for the children of Israel and only the children of Israel's sins are forgiven.

 

[jeremiah1five]

And rejection of Christ overall

It doesn't matter. Jesus atoned rejection of Christ at His cross for the children of Israel.

 

[TomL]

It doesn't matter. Jesus atoned rejection of Christ at His cross for the children of Israel.

Afraid not

John 3:18 (LEB) — 18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 (LEB) — 8 with burning flame giving punishment to those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus, 9 who will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,

Mark 16:16 (LEB) — 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:12 (LEB) — 12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

Matthew 10:33 (LEB) — 33 But whoever denies me before people, I also will deny him before my Father who is in heaven.

 

[TomL]

It doesn't matter. Jesus atoned rejection of Christ at His cross for the children of Israel.

It matters greatly.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/are-christians-today-required-to-keep-the-law-of-moses.2667/reply?quote=196047

 

[jeremiah1five]

Afraid not

John 3:18 (LEB) — 18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 (LEB) — 8 with burning flame giving punishment to those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus, 9 who will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength,

Mark 16:16 (LEB) — 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:12 (LEB) — 12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

Matthew 10:33 (LEB) — 33 But whoever denies me before people, I also will deny him before my Father who is in heaven.

Afraid so:

This is the New Covenant between God and Israel.
I want you to notice what God does.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

Do you notice what Israel must do?
Nothing. Absolutely NOTHING.
God forgives them of all their sins and Israel doesn't have to do anything.
It's one-sided. God does everything necessary to forgive Israel and Israel doesn't have to do anything.
NOTHING!!!

 

[jeremiah1five]

It matters greatly.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/are-christians-today-required-to-keep-the-law-of-moses.2667/reply?quote=196047

I already provided the Scripture of the New Covenant is which God forgives Israel and remembers their sins no more. Totally and fully ATONED.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

Abraham had to do circumcision.
The Mosaic Covenant required Israel's obedience.
But in the New Covenant Israel doesn't have to do a thing.
Complete and total forgiveness and atonement of sin.

 

[TomL]

I already provided the Scripture of the New Covenant is which God forgives Israel and remembers their sins no more. Totally and fully ATONED.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

Abraham had to do circumcision.
The Mosaic Covenant required Israel's obedience.
But in the New Covenant Israel doesn't have to do a thing.
Complete and total forgiveness and atonement of sin.

Really? Why then?

Romans 11:7 (LEB) — 7 What then? What Israel was searching for, this it did not obtain. But the elect obtained it, and the rest were hardened,

Romans 9:25–33 (LEB) — 25 As he also says in Hosea, “I will call those who were not my people, ‘My people,’ and those who were not loved, ‘Loved.’ 26 And it will be in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’ ” 27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Even if the number of the sons of Israel is like the sand of the sea, the remnant will be saved, 28 for the Lord will execute his sentence thoroughly and decisively upon the earth.” 29 And just as Isaiah foretold, “If the Lord of hosts had not left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom and would have resembled Gomorrah.” 30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness—even the righteousness that is by faith. 31 But Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, did not attain to the law. 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble, 33 just as it is written, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble, and a rock that causes them to fall, and the one who believes in him will not be put to shame.”

 

[TomL]

Afraid so:

This is the New Covenant between God and Israel.
I want you to notice what God does.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.

Do you notice what Israel must do?
Nothing. Absolutely NOTHING.
God forgives them of all their sins and Israel doesn't have to do anything.
It's one-sided. God does everything necessary to forgive Israel and Israel doesn't have to do anything.
NOTHING!!!

Again

Romans 9:25–33 (LEB) — 25 As he also says in Hosea, “I will call those who were not my people, ‘My people,’ and those who were not loved, ‘Loved.’ 26 And it will be in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’ ” 27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Even if the number of the sons of Israel is like the sand of the sea, the remnant will be saved, 28 for the Lord will execute his sentence thoroughly and decisively upon the earth.” 29 And just as Isaiah foretold, “If the Lord of hosts had not left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom and would have resembled Gomorrah.” 30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness—even the righteousness that is by faith. 31 But Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, did not attain to the law. 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble, 33 just as it is written, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble, and a rock that causes them to fall, and the one who believes in him will not be put to shame.”

Romans 10:1–13 (LEB) — 1 Brothers, the desire of my heart and my prayer to God on behalf of them (Israel)is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For ignoring the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. 5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is from the law: “The person who does this will live by it.” 6 But the righteousness from faith speaks like this: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or “Who will descend into the abyss?” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim), 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

You simply deny New Covenant scripture