Anti-trinitarianism Campaign

[DavidTree]

No, you are lying about my statements. And clearly you don't care, and will continue to lie, then justify your lies, like you did before.

I should have known better given your fruits.

I do not believe, have never said, have never posted anything which even implies that I believe the Christ was created. Just as I don't believe, have never said or even implied that Jesus is still suffering for sins.

Please stop your obsessive tradition of lying about men to exalt yourself over them. It's a wicked habit and only exposes the spirit that controls your mind.

Just spot it David, please.

I do not believe, have never said, have never posted anything which even implies that I believe the Christ was created.

You claim = Let Us comes after "let there be Light"

Clarify your claim AND not by the order of the verses

 

[Runningman]

Your confusion is cleary expressed in the scriptures you posted and your misunderstanding of them.

A created Christ and a created Savior is not compatibile with deity.

Acts 2
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

 

[DavidTree]

A created Christ and a created Savior is not compatibile with deity.

Acts 2
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

No creation of Jesus is given in Scripture other then "a Body You have prepared for ME"

 

[JLB]

what..?

Messiah means "anointed one" when translated into English, not "fully God" which is a severe error. Did you know that many are messiah "anointed" in the Bible?

Leviticus 4:3,5,16 - refers to the "anointed priest."
Leviticus 6:22 - the "anointed priest" in succession.
1 Samuel 12:3,5 - refers to Saul as God’s anointed.
1 Samuel 16:6 - refers to David as the Lord’s anointed.
etc...

There are dozens of examples of those who are mashiach (messiah) in the Bible. Random priests, Saul, and David aren't "fully God" are they?

Do you understand the difference between an anointed one and the anointed One?

 

[JLB]

Did you know that elohim is invariably described with singular pronouns and/or attributes? Elohim is plural, but not in the way you're thinking. Elohim is regularly assigned to the one and only singular God, YHWH, or singular people, for amplification purposes, not a plural of persons, but a plural of intensity. This is all supported by Hebrew grammar experts.

Then God (Elohim) said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
Genesis 1:26


Elohim says Let Us…


Who is comprised of Us, that created man and created the heavens and the earth?

 

[Runningman]

I do not change my beliefs unless there is reason to do so. It is stupid to share anything with unitarians since they just deny the scriptures that speak against their opinion. Nor does it seem necessary to do anything more but point out the idiocy of the views of the unitarians who have posted here. Again. No one has given me reason to disbelieve the verses that show the divinity of Christ.

Interesting. What would you consider to be a good reason to change your beliefs? I may have wrongly assumed that Scripture would be enough, but I have been wrong many times before for sure. I am willing to change and just stop assuming everyone sees the Bible as authoritative.

So why are you a Trinitarian if I may ask?

 

[mikesw]

Interesting. What would you consider to be a good reason to change your beliefs? I may have wrongly assumed that Scripture would be enough, but I have been wrong many times before for sure. I am willing to change and just stop assuming everyone sees the Bible as authoritative.

So why are you a Trinitarian if I may ask?

the testimony of scripture. why do you pursue a heresy that you cannot even make a decent argument to support?
Edited:
I had briefly thought that Paul was omitting the divinity of Christ. So I had gone into error briefly. Most interestingly I found the only full explanation of Gal 3:19-20 is in view of the divinity of Christ in the Godhead. So Paul was not a heretic by thinking like a unitarian.

 

[Studyman]

You claim = Let Us comes after "let there be Light"

Clarify your claim AND not by the order of the verses

Here is what I posted, Mr. deceiver.

"Well, the Christ did say HE is the Light of this World which existed with His Father before Abraham, even before the world began. And the Christ did say that HIS God sent Him. And Inspired it to be written that all things were created by Him. I believe the Law and Prophets, including Genesis are to be Spiritually discerned with it's talking snakes and all. And it wasn't until after the "LIGHT" came, that there was any reference to "US" or "OUR", or that any life was created.

You can read it for yourself. The Words "US" and "OUR" didn't exist in Scriptures until after God Sent His Son, from heaven, into the World. "Let there be Light".

Nowhere do I say, suggest or imply as your lying spirit posted, "You are claiming that Jesus was created in Genesis 1:3 That is the heresy of jehovah whitlesses"

But just like your lies before, you will continue in them, and will continue to justify your lies and continue to promote them, because that is who you are. It reflects the spirit in you, not in me.

You really should just stop the lying, and admit you make a mistake.

 

[DavidTree]

Here is what I posted, Mr. deceiver.

"Well, the Christ did say HE is the Light of this World which existed with His Father before Abraham, even before the world began. And the Christ did say that HIS God sent Him. And Inspired it to be written that all things were created by Him. I believe the Law and Prophets, including Genesis are to be Spiritually discerned with it's talking snakes and all. And it wasn't until after the "LIGHT" came, that there was any reference to "US" or "OUR", or that any life was created.

You can read it for yourself. The Words "US" and "OUR" didn't exist in Scriptures until after God Sent His Son, from heaven, into the World. "Let there be Light".

Nowhere do I say, suggest or imply as your lying spirit posted, "You are claiming that Jesus was created in Genesis 1:3 That is the heresy of jehovah whitlesses"

But just like your lies before, you will continue in them, and will continue to justify your lies and continue to promote them, because that is who you are. It reflects the spirit in you, not in me.

You really should just stop the lying, and admit you make a mistake.

the Us and Our are pointing BACK to Eternity and Genesis 1:1 = In the beginning Elohim/Plural

 

[DavidTree]

Here is what I posted, Mr. deceiver.

"Well, the Christ did say HE is the Light of this World which existed with His Father before Abraham, even before the world began. And the Christ did say that HIS God sent Him. And Inspired it to be written that all things were created by Him. I believe the Law and Prophets, including Genesis are to be Spiritually discerned with it's talking snakes and all. And it wasn't until after the "LIGHT" came, that there was any reference to "US" or "OUR", or that any life was created.

You can read it for yourself. The Words "US" and "OUR" didn't exist in Scriptures until after God Sent His Son, from heaven, into the World. "Let there be Light".

Nowhere do I say, suggest or imply as your lying spirit posted, "You are claiming that Jesus was created in Genesis 1:3 That is the heresy of jehovah whitlesses"

But just like your lies before, you will continue in them, and will continue to justify your lies and continue to promote them, because that is who you are. It reflects the spirit in you, not in me.

You really should just stop the lying, and admit you make a mistake.

the Us and Our are pointing BACK to Eternity and Genesis 1:1 = In the beginning Elohim/Plural

Yes or No

 

[Runningman]

the testimony of scripture. why do you pursue a heresy that you cannot even make a decent argument to support?
Edited:
I had briefly thought that Paul was omitting the divinity of Christ. So I had gone into error briefly. Most interestingly I found the only full explanation of Gal 3:19-20 is in view of the divinity of Christ in the Godhead. So Paul was not a heretic by thinking like a unitarian.

Ok, so the members of the Trinity are co-equal, co-eternal, having all of the same powers, characteristics, and are never changing. Will you believe the testimony of Scripture that shows Jesus is not the same as God?

 

[360watt]

What do you believe Jesus did?


I am not aware if they were ever regularly called "David the Messiah" or "Saul the Messiah" but maybe they were. Hard to tell.

The miracles Jesus did point to His deity. But not just doing miracles, because others did aswell such as the obvious example of the disciples.

Jesus was doing things in a new way. Ask yourself what kind of being can change the rules of what they could do on the Sabbath..setting aside large chunks of scripture.

Jesus also sent the Holy Spirit, with the Father. A mortal can do that??

This has already been covered anyway. Calling Jesus not God is drawing on sources foreign to the scriptures that is the primary source of information about Jesus.

 

[DavidTree]

The miracles Jesus did point to His deity. But not just doing miracles, because others did aswell such as the obvious example of the disciples.

Jesus was doing things in a new way. Ask yourself what kind of being can change the rules of what they could do on the Sabbath..setting aside large chunks of scripture.

Jesus also sent the Holy Spirit, with the Father. A mortal can do that??

This has already been covered anyway. Calling Jesus not God is drawing on sources foreign to the scriptures that is the primary source of information about Jesus.

One more GREAT TRUTH = Lazarus dying and JESUS Declaration of Himself to the Martha and the crowd

"IAM the Resurrection and the LIFE"

 

[Studyman]

the Us and Our are pointing BACK to Eternity and Genesis 1:1 = In the beginning Elohim/Plural

Yes or No

Just like last time, you must change the subject to protect your lies. Why would I continue with you, you will just lie about my post again, to exalt yourself, just as you did the last time you replied to my post, preaching to others that I believe Jesus is still suffering for sins. And now you are lying be telling others I believe Christ was created in Gen. 1:3.

You think you can get away with this crap because you lie in Christ's Name, calling Him Lord, Lord. You need to "Think again".

Jer. 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? "nay", they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

16 Thus saith the LORD, (Christ) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. "But they said", We will not walk therein.

17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. "But they said", "We will not hearken". (As it is to this day)

 

[DavidTree]

Just like last time, you must change the subject to protect your lies. Why would I continue with you, you will just lie about my post again, to exalt yourself, just as you did the last time you replied to my post, preaching to others that I believe Jesus is still suffering for sins. And now you are lying be telling others I believe Christ was created in Gen. 1:3.

You think you can get away with this crap because you lie in Christ's Name, calling Him Lord, Lord. You need to "Think again".

Jer. 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? "nay", they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

16 Thus saith the LORD, (Christ) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. "But they said", We will not walk therein.

17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. "But they said", "We will not hearken". (As it is to this day)

You are having a melt down

 

[mikesw]

Ok, so the members of the Trinity are co-equal, co-eternal, having all of the same powers, characteristics, and are never changing. Will you believe the testimony of Scripture that shows Jesus is not the same as God?

I'll see if civic brings up a passage like that. It is not useful to get stuff from a unitarian though. Anyhow, that is a ambiguous way to say things: "same as God." That has an analogy similar to asking is ice the same as water?

Worse yet, you have been around here for over a year without having a decent argument to convince people to your opinion.

 

[Runningman]

The miracles Jesus did point to His deity. But not just doing miracles, because others did aswell such as the obvious example of the disciples.

Jesus was doing things in a new way. Ask yourself what kind of being can change the rules of what they could do on the Sabbath..setting aside large chunks of scripture.

Jesus also sent the Holy Spirit, with the Father. A mortal can do that??

This has already been covered anyway. Calling Jesus not God is drawing on sources foreign to the scriptures that is the primary source of information about Jesus.

The miracles are amazing, but as you said they are also things that others beside Jesus could do becasue they all received their empowerment from the Father.

Jesus didn't change any of God's laws. Where did you get that idea?

The Bible doesn't say Jesus sent the Spirit, it says he would ask the Father to do that, but on the matter of giving the Spirit, it was also something others did via a laying on of hands.

Jesus is the chosen messiah who served God but isn't himself God. It's important and the harping on this isn't just going to suddenly go away some day.

 

[Runningman]

I'll see if civic brings up a passage like that. It is not useful to get stuff from a unitarian though. Anyhow, that is a ambiguous way to say things: "same as God."

This is such a bizarre reply. Why would you not agree with straight scripture about Jesus lacking one of the many names, titles, or characteristics of God unless Civic brings up a passage about it? Is Civic your teacher?

 

[mikesw]

This is such a bizarre reply. Why would you not agree with straight scripture about Jesus lacking one of the many names, titles, or characteristics of God unless Civic brings up a passage about it? Is Civic your teacher?

he is more trustworthy than you are. Eve listen to the tempter and see where it got us.

 

[Runningman]

he is more trustworthy than you are. Eve listen to the tempter and see where it got us.

So if me and Civic quote the exact same passages, from the exact same version or tranlsation, you'll not trust the one I quoted?