Anti-trinitarianism Campaign

[synergy]

sounds like you are playing with yourself. I guess that is what unitarian means here.

Touché!

He's also failing horribly in my debate with him. He's denying Scripture, scoffing at the Greek Language, sewing out strawmen, and not acknowledging his falsehoods. He's currently at a total loss as to how to respond to the following conclusion:

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.

 

[Studyman]

Sorry, you aren't getting it. There is no "the Word who was with God" in the beginning in Genesis. I would be glad to tell you what the Word is all about if you want to know. Start with 1John 1:1-3 where John referred to the Word as a thing. You'll be closer to understanding how the word of God is personified in Hebrew poetry and not actually a person. Psalm 33:6; Psalm 107:20; Psalm 147:15; Isaiah 55:10-11. Same thing in the New Testament, Jesus and the word of God are often distinct from one another in numerous places.

Wouldn't the "Word of God" be a Spirit? "Let there be Light", what this the Spirit of Christ? Wasn't the grass, and animals and fish all created after God said, "Let there be Light"? Wasn't it after the Light had come, that God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness".

 

[mikesw]

Touché!

He's also failing horribly in my debate with him. He's denying Scripture, scoffing at the Greek Language, sewing out strawmen, and not acknowledging his falsehoods. He's currently at a total loss as to how to respond to the following conclusion:

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.

The denial I like is their neglect of the issues Jews debated about two powers in heaven. That was about passages that Christians point in support of the multiple persons in the Godhead. The book by that title was written by a Jewish scholar. The broad sweeping statement by Peterlag is that no Jews held any view of God as being multiple persons.

 

[DavidTree]

Wouldn't the "Word of God" be a Spirit? "Let there be Light", what this the Spirit of Christ? Wasn't the grass, and animals and fish all created after God said, "Let there be Light"? Wasn't it after the Light had come, that God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness".

1In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
2The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the face of the waters.
3Then Elohim Said,

THREE = Elohim, Spirit of Elohim, Elohim Word/Said

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Elohim and the Word was Elohim

 

[Runningman]

#1 - those whom you mentioned did NOT die for the sins of the world neither could they atone for their sins.

#2 - God never made Jesus the Savior = only God is the Savior = Isaiah 43:11

Before Me no god was formed,
and after Me none will come.
I, yes I, am the LORD,
and there is no Savior but Me.
I alone decreed and saved and proclaimed

God made Jesus the Christ which means God made Jesus savior. Yes, God is the only savior and, as you have already seen, God is the one who makes saviors and saves through them. Not because there are many people who are God in the Bible because of the title "savior" (which is a logical fallacy of false equivalancy) but because God saves through through. God also saved through Jesus, not because Jesus is God, becasue Jesus was instrumental in God's plan.

John 3
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

 

[Runningman]

sounds like you are playing with yourself. I guess that is what unitarian means here.

At some point it's not even fair to challenege your beliefs if you can't even defend them. When you figure out a way to defend your beliefs I am here.

 

[DavidTree]

God made Jesus the Christ which means God made Jesus savior. Yes, God is the only savior and, as you have already seen, God is the one who makes saviors and saves through them. Not because there are many people who are God in the Bible because of the title "savior" (which is a logical fallacy of false equivalancy) but because God saves through through. God also saved through Jesus, not because Jesus is God, becasue Jesus was instrumental in God's plan.

John 3
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

3 FACTS

#1 a those whom you mentioned did NOT die for the sins of the world neither could they atone for their sins.
b - Those 'saviors' needed a Savior to Save them = only One can = God

#2 - God never made Jesus the Savior = only God is the Savior = Isaiah 43:11

#3 - A Man's blood is polluted with sin and could never Atone for man's sins

 

[Runningman]

Wouldn't the "Word of God" be a Spirit? "Let there be Light", what this the Spirit of Christ? Wasn't the grass, and animals and fish all created after God said, "Let there be Light"? Wasn't it after the Light had come, that God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness".

Since Genesis 1 deals with creation of the material universe then isn't the light mentioned there actual light from stars?

 

[Runningman]

3 FACTS

#1 a those whom you mentioned did NOT die for the sins of the world neither could they atone for their sins.
b - Those 'saviors' needed a Savior to Save them = only One can = God

#2 - God never made Jesus the Savior = only God is the Savior = Isaiah 43:11

#3 - A Man's blood is polluted with sin and could never Atone for man's sins

Acts 2:36 says God "made" (which means constructed or manufactured) the Christ. So yes Jesus' saviorhood was made. And Jesus does have a savior, too.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

 

[DavidTree]

Acts 2:36 says God "made" (which means constructed or manufactured) the Christ. So yes Jesus' saviorhood was made. And Jesus does have a savior, too.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

No Scripture states that God made CHRIST

The Scripture testify that the Word was God and when HE came to earth as a man HE became the only begotten SON of God.

The OT Prophets prophesy of a Coming Savior whose beginnings are from Eternity

The Apostles are declaring that the LORD Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came from the FATHER before His Incarnation.

Therefore everything that pertains to the Father pertains to the Son and the Holy Spirit concerning Eternal BEING/Eternity.

The Word was not created BUT a Body YOU have prepared for ME = Hebrews 10:5

To the SON HE Says: Your Throne oh GOD

TWO Dynamics are Expressed here in Hebrews 1:3-9

“You are My Son;

today I have begotten You?

Or again:

“I will be His Father,
and He will be My Son”?

6And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all God’s angels worship Him.”
7Now about the angels He says:
“He makes His angels winds,
His servants flames of fire.”f
8But about the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,
and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy

 

[Runningman]

No Scripture states that God made CHRIST

Jesus' Christhood and Lordship were both created.

Acts 2
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

The Scripture testify that the Word was God and when HE came to earth as a man HE became the only begotten SON of God.

The OT Prophets prophesy of a Coming Savior whose beginnings are from Eternity

They all describe a human savior, not God incarnate.

The Apostles are declaring that the LORD Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came from the FATHER before His Incarnation.

Therefore everything that pertains to the Father pertains to the Son and the Holy Spirit concerning Eternal BEING/Eternity.

The Word was not created BUT a Body YOU have prepared for ME = Hebrews 10:5

God prepares a body for everyone doesn't He? Who else gave you your body?

To the SON HE Says: Your Throne oh GOD

TWO Dynamics are Expressed here in Hebrews 1:3-9

“You are My Son;

today I have begotten You?

Or again:

“I will be His Father,
and He will be My Son”?

This is quoted from Psalm 45:6 where it is not about Jesus or God.

6And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all God’s angels worship Him.”
7Now about the angels He says:
“He makes His angels winds,
His servants flames of fire.”f

John 1:9 in the KJV says every man comes into the world.

John 1
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

8But about the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,
and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy

You're reading way too far into this. Like the title savior, you're ignoring the fact that everyone is given a body and comes into the world. Not because they are God incarnate or pre-existed, but because they were just born. Don't overthink it. There aren't any examples of Jesus pre-existing in the OT.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus' Christhood and Lordship were both created.

Acts 2
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

They all describe a human savior, not God incarnate.


God prepares a body for everyone doesn't He? Who else gave you your body?

This is quoted from Psalm 45:6 where it is not about Jesus or God.


John 1:9 in the KJV says every man comes into the world.

John 1
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

You're reading way too far into this. Like the title savior, you're ignoring the fact that everyone is given a body and comes into the world. Not because they are God incarnate or pre-existed, but because they were just born. Don't overthink it. There aren't any examples of Jesus pre-existing in the OT.

Your confusion is cleary expressed in the scriptures you posted and your misunderstanding of them.

 

[mikesw]

At some point it's not even fair to challenege your beliefs if you can't even defend them. When you figure out a way to defend your beliefs I am here.

I do not change my beliefs unless there is reason to do so. It is stupid to share anything with unitarians since they just deny the scriptures that speak against their opinion. Nor does it seem necessary to do anything more but point out the idiocy of the views of the unitarians who have posted here. Again. No one has given me reason to disbelieve the verses that show the divinity of Christ.

 

[Studyman]

Since Genesis 1 deals with creation of the material universe then isn't the light mentioned there actual light from stars?

Well, the Christ did say HE is the Light of this World which existed with His Father before Abraham, even before the world began. And the Christ did say that HIS God sent Him. And Inspired it to be written that all things were created by Him. I believe the Law and Prophets, including Genesis are to be Spiritually discerned with it's talking snakes and all. And it wasn't until after the "LIGHT" came, that there was any reference to "US" or "OUR", or that any life was created.

So no, I don't believe this was written simply to show the material existence of stars.

 

[DavidTree]

Well, the Christ did say HE is the Light of this World which existed with His Father before Abraham, even before the world began. And the Christ did say that HIS God sent Him. And Inspired it to be written that all things were created by Him. I believe the Law and Prophets, including Genesis are to be Spiritually discerned with it's talking snakes and all. And it wasn't until after the "LIGHT" came, that there was any reference to "US" or "OUR", or that any life was created.

So no, I don't believe this was written simply to show the material existence of stars.

And it wasn't until after the "LIGHT" came, that there was any reference to "US" or "OUR", or that any life was created.

That is false

They were all Present in Elohim beginning in verse 1 of Genesis 1:1

 

[Studyman]

That is false

They were all Present in Elohim beginning in verse 1 of Genesis 1:1

LOL, Jesus Himself said HE came down from heaven, and that His Father Sent Him, "The Light" of the world, into the World.

You don't believe Him, that's fine, but I do.

 

[DavidTree]

LOL, Jesus Himself said HE came down from heaven, and that His Father Sent Him, "The Light" of the world, into the World.

You don't believe Him, that's fine, but I do.

JESUS being the LIGHT of the world was NEVER denied

You are claiming that Jesus was created in Genesis 1:3

That is the heresy of jehovah whitlesses

 

[Studyman]

JESUS being the LIGHT of the world was NEVER denied

You are claiming that Jesus was created in Genesis 1:3

That is the heresy of jehovah whitlesses

Wow, there is something wrong with you David. First you lie about me, saying I promote that Jesus is still suffering for sins, and now you are lying again claiming that when God sent Jesus into the earth, that I am saying God created Him.

Why do you even reply to people if all you are going to do is make up wicked lies about them.

 

[DavidTree]

Wow, there is something wrong with you David. First you lie about me, saying I promote that Jesus is still suffering for sins, and now you are lying again claiming that when God sent Jesus into the earth, that I am saying God created Him.

Why do you even reply to people if all you are going to do is make up wicked lies about them.

We are replying to your false statements

 

[Studyman]

We are replying to your false statements

No, you are lying about my statements. And clearly you don't care, and will continue to lie, then justify your lies, like you did before.

I should have known better given your fruits.

I do not believe, have never said, have never posted anything which even implies that I believe the Christ was created. Just as I don't believe, have never said or even implied that Jesus is still suffering for sins.

Please stop your obsessive tradition of lying about men to exalt yourself over them. It's a wicked habit and only exposes the spirit that controls your mind.

Just spot it David, please.