Another former Calvinist Sam Shamoun

civic said:
Nice projecting since it’s your god who created evil , takes pleasure in it and controls your every thought action and deed.

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TomL said:
It's plain diversion is on going
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TomL said:
Sure you did.

See your words below



You reported falsely as stated and you will still not defend your theology

https://berean-apologetics.communit...-former-calvinist-sam-shamoun.1799/post-88956
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Actually I was spot on. You said it now own it. You asked for proof and I gave it. SEE POST 241 The one diverting here is you.
 
TomL said:
Sorry that is a fabrication.

The word some never appears in my posts, so you engaged in false witness when you stated



repent of it and your diversions from defending your doctrine
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Never said it did. QUOTE ME POST 241. Tom believes God determining some evil is fine.
 
Biblelesson said:
Just a quick comment on the video. I do not believe that God predestined anyone to be a rapist. I believe rapists are doing what their father Satan is telling them to do. I've heard it said over and over that serial killers and rapist when they're caught and are being Interrogated have cold dead eyes. The eyes are the windows to the soul. They're controlled by Satan.

Now what God does do is allow us to live on this earth that is controlled by Satan. God did allow Satan access to Adam and Eve in the garden. Now God could have put Satan in hell right when he started the rebellion in heaven. But He cast him down to earth and we get to deal with the consequences.

Now God did have the solution which he revealed in the garden. Number one was that his creation was going to have a tough time making it here on earth. And it did get so bad that he destroyed mankind with the flood except for Noah and his family.

He also predestined Jesus our savior to come through the bloodline of king David.

Now comes the real debate, Unconditional Election or Conditional Election.

Calvinism teaches that God elects those who are totally depraved and are not able to exercise their fallen wills to believe in Christ. God elects them on the basis of His sovereign good pleasure, conquering their wills so that they are made willing to exercise faith in Christ for salvation.

The enemy can't stop that one. Just like he couldn't stop Jesus from being born.

Why conditional election fails.

Conditional election fails on three counts. First, it fails to recognize the primacy of God’s election in salvation. According to the Bible, the verb elect means “to select, or choose out.”

The biblical doctrine of election is that long before the foundations of the world were laid, God freely chose to save a number of individuals in Christ. Revelation 7:9–17

9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 And all the angels stood round the throne and round the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God for ever and ever! Amen.”
13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and whence have they come?” 14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night within his temple;
and he who sits upon the throne will shelter them with his presence.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more;
the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat.
17 For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd,
and he will guide them to springs of living water;
and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.


He ordained the means by which they would be saved, despite their sin. Ephesians 1:3–5

4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. 5 He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,


He determined to redeem, bring to faith and repentance, justify, sanctify, preserve, and glorify the elect in and through Jesus Christ while determining to leave others who persist in unbelief to perish in their sin. Romans 9

Election is unconditional since God did not choose the elect because of any intrinsic goodness in them or because He knew that they would believe one day. 1 Corinthians 1:27–31

27 but God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong, 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. 30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption; 31 therefore, as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast of the Lord.”

Conditional Election fails to recognize both the extent of our depravity and the extent of God’s sovereignty and grace. By doing so, it robs God of His absolute sovereignty and glory.
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I agree with what you're saying about Satan. Many theologians believe that when Satan rebelled, one-third of the angels in heaven rebelled with him, came to earth, and now compose his rebel army fighting against God. Revelation 12:4

Satan is not alone in his evil pursuits: he is the head of his own kingdom. He has hierarchies of principalities, and powers, and angels, and demons; and he rules them all. Three times the Bible calls Satan “the prince of this world”.

He’s also called “the prince of the power of the air” As the prince of this world, Satan is in charge of evil men; as the prince of the power of the air, he is in charge of evil spirits. He is spoken of as both a roaring lion and a great dragon and is described as diabolical, deceptive, destructive, rebellious, and filled with hate.

Satan is the second most powerful being in the universe, subject only to God. The Bible says that men are held captive by Satan’s power until delivered by the power of the Savior.

So if you're not saved Satan can pretty much get you to do whatever he wants. I'm familiar with the cold, dead, blank eyes of serial killers and the like from watching True Crime dramas.
 
TomL said:
sure there is you misreported my words and then denied your false reportact


Your words from post 296


It was a falsehood you later denied stating
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That is essentially what you said. I stand by it. You know you did. Now, either that is what you believe or you simply misspoke. Which?
 
TomL said:
sure there is you misreported my words and then denied your false reportact


Your words from post 296


It was a falsehood you later denied stating
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Just report it to the moderators/administrator. I generally try and stay out of these things. Thanks !
 
Presby02 said:
No you didn't. God does not determine all evil. So some is okay right?
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the straw continues. the fact is your god determines everything that comes to pass including evil- he makes you sin by causing you to sin. your god is by default the culpable one. face your doctrines, your god. truly a god of confusion.

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