praise_yeshua
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Close. Honoring Christ requires more than just "lip service". Appealing to the Glory of Christ while hating your brother in Adam isn't very convincing.
And All Israel Shall Be Saved!
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jeremiah1five
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Yes, Adam, Cain, Abel, Seth. The genealogies are listed. Not all but the significant ones. Especially when we get to Seth. But even these sons of God became unequally yoked with the daughters of men and corrupted the family line.
FreeInChrist
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God made a covenant with Noah before Abraham.
In fact, of the 7 covenants in the bible, 3 came before the Abraham one. the Edenic Covenant, the Adamic Covenant, the Noahic Covenant,
jeremiah1five
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There are only three national covenants between God and the Hebrew people: Abrahamic (Father), Mosaic (Son), and New (Holy Spirit.)
These three bear record on heaven and on earth. Being called the God of Abraham is not ambiguous. God calls Abraham His Friend just as Jesus calls Judas His Friend, and there are no friends of God in hell.
FreeInChrist
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Whatever
jeremiah1five
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There you go, folks. A professed "Christian" and how they treat the Lord Jesus Christ.
Flippantly.
FreeInChrist
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You, @jeremiah1five have pretty much already condemned me to hell, along with most every coC person I have known....
HOW WOULD YOU EXPECT ME TO ACT TO SOMEONE WHO IS CLAIMING TO BE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. btw... Many shall come saying I am He...... You come very, very, close to saying you and He are the same daily.
Be glad that soon Ill be off for a while getting a new system and then you need to take time to think exactly what you say and how others understand what YOU mean
jeremiah1five
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I haven't ever thought you are going to "hell."
Wherever you are at with regard to Christ as long as there is air in your lungs there is time.
I'd prefer you not answer rather than answer so flippantly to the Word of God I post and my commentary.
Christ resides in every true believer. How you treat the believer is how you treat Christ. Scripture provided upon request.
brightfame52
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Israel and the Church are the same, Jacob spoke of this in prophesying about the gathering of the People through Christ Messiah, the Seed of the woman, Paul established the same prophesy Gen 49:9-10
9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Shiloh is Jesus Christ, and He shall come, do a work [His Cross Work] and it shall be for the gathering of the People, the Church of God out of the jews and gentiles.
The High Priest also either wittngly or unwittinly spoke of the same John 11:52
And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Now Paul Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he[Shiloh] might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Also John again Jn 10:16
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
The word bring is another way of saying gather !
9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Shiloh is Jesus Christ, and He shall come, do a work [His Cross Work] and it shall be for the gathering of the People, the Church of God out of the jews and gentiles.
The High Priest also either wittngly or unwittinly spoke of the same John 11:52
And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Now Paul Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he[Shiloh] might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Also John again Jn 10:16
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
The word bring is another way of saying gather !
That is like saying love in English is the same as agape, phileo, etc. Sort of, but differentiation has to be made, or the true meaning of verses are lost. In the same way, one understands that Israel was an assembly/congregation, while church is something different. So... get it right.
He fulfilled the law, and no, adding Gentiles changes nothing other than, when you finally accept it, changing you from heretic to believer. The Law of Moses of the Mosaic covenant is gone. It has been replaced with the Law of the Messiah in the new covenant which had Gentiles added by the kindness of God. And you need to stop with this deranged sacrifices for Gentiles. It shows a complete lack of understanding of scripture, and preaches salvation by works and not by faith.
brightfame52
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You still struggling hard, but theyre the same
jeremiah1five
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The Law God promised to "put in the inward parts" is the Law of Moses.
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33.
This New Covenant is between God and Israel. There are no Gentiles named or mentioned in this New Covenant.
There is only ONE Law in existence concerning Israel and God. The Law of Moses originally was written on stone, and it was obeyed from without (externally.) The Law was also type and shadow of the Holy Spirit of Promise. Jesus told His twelve disciples that He would send the Comforter (Holy Spirit), and He would be within them.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:16–17.
First thing to recognize and understand about God's promising the Spirit of Truth is that the world cannot receive Him. One of the reasons is the Spirit of Truth is promised to Israel and the world of Gentiles CANNOT receive Him because He is NOT promised to the world but to Israel. To reject this teaching is to reject God who gave it.
The second thing is tied to the first thing: The world "seeth Him not" meaning does not comprehend for the darkness doesn't comprehend the light. And this is the dividing line between God's people (Israel) and the world (Gentiles.)
The third thing is tied to the first and second thing. The world "knoweth Him (the Spirit of Truth) not."
The Comforter who is the Spirit of Truth who is the Holy Spirit of God is that what He, the Spirit of Truth Authored to the children of Israel through Moses is that God's Law will be "put in their (Israel's) hearts (or lives) that is:
#1. their (Israel's) justification. God has declared Israel justified and by declaring Israel "Not Guilty!" (of sin) allows the Spirit of Truth to dwell within the believer because of the atonement bought by the Son with His very own life (life is in the blood.)
#2. By putting His Law in the inward parts of His people the Law/Spirit is now leading and guiding the believer from within the believer who was previously leading and guiding the believer from without (on stone.)
#3. If and when the believer violates the Law of God, the Holy Spirit of Truth from within the believer deals with the believer about sin or sins and almost always brings conviction of sin from within leading ultimately to repentance and restoration of relationship between God and the believer.
This is the present relationship between God and Israel. Beginning with Abram the Hebrew God made covenant promises to Abram that was extended to Abram's biological seed (Gen. 17:7.) Later, God made covenant with the children of Israel (Abram's biological seed) in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle and Moses. With the Advent of the Son of God (Yeshua bar Yosef), the son of Josheph (stepfather) and Mary (biological mother), God offers His Son in the place of the lamb which is sacrificed yearly by the high priest to atone finally and eternally the sins of the children of Israel which leads to the Promised Comforter (Jesus and Joel) who said that the Spirit of God promised to Israel would be the beginning of the New Covenant era which began of the Jewish Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) fifty days from Passover, the same Passover Jesus observed in the upper room with His twelve Jewish disciples. Gentiles were not involved in Passover and were not involved in Jesus' last Passover before His crucifixion and subsequent resurrection from death who conquered sin and death for the Hebrew people of God.
Are you going to tell me this is not Biblical?
These facts above lend credence to what Saul says here:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:4–5.
Or you can show me in the Pentateuch where God says non-Hebrew Gentiles are also under the Law and the high priest offered sacrifices and prayed for the people of God (Israel) and where it says the high priest "sprinkled the Gentile people" with the blood of the sacrifice as he did in sprinkling the blood of the sacrifice upon the children of Israel.
Thus, when it says "Jesus fulfilled the Law" it means the lamb died under the Law to and for the children of Israel under the Law. Gentiles are excluded.
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