An honest inquiry into the nature of Christology by a Trinitarian
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Wilber
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I wish she could call me. She was an awesome mom made sure I got to church on time.
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Diserner
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Wilber
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Yeah I think you're right I'm sorry I must have just took it wrong. And here I thought I had thick skin.
GeneZ
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See! God gotcha!
I should have said.....
"Wilber? .. Mr. Ed left a message, and said to call."
... better now?
Wilber
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You mean God got me to forgive you yes he did you're forgiven. You may have to say a couple of Hail Marys though.See! God gotcha!
I should have said.....
"Wilber? .. Mr. Ed left a message, and said to call."
All better now?
GeneZ
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Diserner
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... better now?
I honestly don't understand either one.
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Aeliana
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Jesus and His mother
The first friend a child has in this world is its mother. It comes here an utter stranger, knowing no one; but it finds love waiting for it. Instantly the little stranger has a friend, a bosom to nestle in, an arm to encircle it, a hand to minister to its helplessness. Love is born with the child. The mother presses it to her breast, and at once her heart's tendrils twine about it.
It is a good while before the child becomes conscious of the wondrous love that is bending over it, yet all the time the love is growing in depth and tenderness. In a thousand ways, by a thousand delicate arts, the mother seeks to waken in her child a response to her own yearning love. At length the first gleams of answering affection appear -- the child has begun to love. From that hour the holy friendship grows. The two lives become knit in one.
When the time drew nigh for the incarnation of the Son of God, we may be sure that into the soul of the woman who should be his mother, who should impart her own life to him, who should teach him his first lessons, and prepare him for his holy mission, God put the loveliest and the best qualities that ever were lodged in any woman's life.
The first friend a child has in this world is its mother. It comes here an utter stranger, knowing no one; but it finds love waiting for it. Instantly the little stranger has a friend, a bosom to nestle in, an arm to encircle it, a hand to minister to its helplessness. Love is born with the child. The mother presses it to her breast, and at once her heart's tendrils twine about it.
It is a good while before the child becomes conscious of the wondrous love that is bending over it, yet all the time the love is growing in depth and tenderness. In a thousand ways, by a thousand delicate arts, the mother seeks to waken in her child a response to her own yearning love. At length the first gleams of answering affection appear -- the child has begun to love. From that hour the holy friendship grows. The two lives become knit in one.
When the time drew nigh for the incarnation of the Son of God, we may be sure that into the soul of the woman who should be his mother, who should impart her own life to him, who should teach him his first lessons, and prepare him for his holy mission, God put the loveliest and the best qualities that ever were lodged in any woman's life.
Jesus and his Mother.
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Wilber
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No one can talk to a horse unless of course the horse of course was the famous Mister Ed.
Wilber
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That's pretty funny that's where I got the name Wilbur. Wilbur's not my name. Only an online handle. I was actually waiting for someone to put the two together, Wilbur and Mr Ed
Diserner
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Are you Catholic?
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Aeliana
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Not even close/ I do not accept the teaching that exalts the mother of Jesus to a place beside or above her divine Son. We need have no sympathy whatever with the dogma that ascribes worship to the Virgin Mary, and teaches that the Son on his throne must be approached by mortals through his more merciful, more gentle-hearted mother.
DavidTree
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100% True = Your description of the bond of love between a mother and her child as it is wonderful, beautiful and a miracle all in one.
Thank You
A couple of questions.
Who and what is "it"?
Are you trying to be gender neutral?
Mary imparted her own life into the LORD?
Luke 1:26-37
Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”
But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. For with God nothing will be impossible.”
At least you kept the principle "freely given, freely give .... oneself away".
Here are excerpts discussing Apollinarianism from the link below. Dr Craig made a new version called neo-Apollinarianism but both versions fundamentally fail by saying that Jesus had a Divine soul, not a human soul.
Apollinarianism
When we read in John 1:14 that “the Word became flesh,” we recognize that Jesus took on a human body. But did Christ take on a human soul too? Today, Barry Cooper discusses a fourth-century heresy that seems slightly off but actually makes a world of difference.
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When we read in John 1:14 that “the Word became flesh,” we recognize that Jesus took on a human body. But did Christ take on a human soul too? Today, Barry Cooper discusses a fourth-century heresy that seems slightly off but actually makes a world of difference.
Perhaps you’ve heard the phrase “the Word became flesh” in John chapter 1. So clearly, Jesus had a human body. But let me ask you: Did He have a human soul too?
If your answer to that is no, and you imagine Jesus as being a divine soul in a human body, that’s actually a heresy called Apollinarianism.
This teaching originated with a man called Apollinaris way back in the fourth century. (The early church condemned him as a heretic in 381.) Apollinaris was the bishop of Laodicea, a city which is name-checked in Colossians and Revelation, in the country we now call Turkey.
In an attempt to explain exactly how Jesus Christ could be both God and man, Apollinaris taught that the physical body of Christ was truly man, but that His mind wasn’t human at all, but divine. So in other words, the body and mind of Jesus were not both truly God and truly man. The body was truly man, and the mind was truly God.
Now, why does any of this matter? Well, if Jesus actually were as Apollinaris described Him, then Jesus would not be able to save anyone. He can save human beings precisely because He is a human being Himself. Only a human being can mediate on behalf of human beings. If He’s only partially human, then He can’t mediate for us, and He can’t die for us either. Hebrews chapter 10 reminds us that nonhuman sacrifices (for example, animal sacrifices) are powerless to atone for human sin. So if Jesus is only partly human, which would be the case if He lacked a human mind and soul, He can’t bear the punishment humans deserve on our behalf. Neither can He be the last Adam, sent to succeed where the first Adam failed. And so on. But thankfully, we have a great Savior: truly God and truly man.
Aeliana
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Answer to your first question is no I'm not trying to bring in a definition of the Gender neutral position that's seems to be so precious in our modern society. It's more like referring to either one, not one specific gender. So the "it" Is referring to just a child.
There's two ways to look at your second question. Mary did in part her life to Jesus in her DNA. The growth and development of the Unborn Jesus in her womb Is another way. But also when you raise a child you do impart your life into them.
They say that boys want to grow up to be like their Dads. So if the Dad spends a lot of time with his son and teaches him things he's imparting his life into his son.
That's such a beautiful story from the Bible in Luke chapter 1 that you quoted.
I love the part where John the Baptist did a backflip in Elizabeth's womb When the pregnant Mary visited her.
Did John the Baptist know who Jesus was while in his mother's womb? | Verse By Verse Ministry International
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