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[FreeInChrist]

He can't name them. Nor can he trace the origins. It is nothing but conjecture. He knows it.

Yep, because every this from outside the four corners of the Holy Scriptures has to link to the scriptures to be accurate, and if they are accurate the do link. The Trinity being one. So there is not the word in the Bible. The Bible is not named in the Bible.

Just because the name is not there, does not mean it is not explained.

 

[praise_yeshua]

@Kewi

I KNOW we do, glad to see you are confessing this to be so.

My forefather's never had to confront your false religion of the Jehovah Witnesses. They were born around less than a hundred and fifty years ago.

They are not only wrong of the deity of Christ, which is a major doctrine, but almost in every doctrine they hold to is a corruption of God' truth. It is a work based gospel exalting man from start to finish.

I think you and @FreeInChrist should go head to head. I would love to see that cat fight, I would almost pay to see it. I know where my money would go.

People that sincerely love Jesus Christ speak of Him in a loving manner. They don't love Him. There words betray them.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The Trinity is a post-Biblical development.

Read up on the The Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed (381 AD) and The Athanasian Creed (circa 5th-6th century AD). You will find orthodox Trinitarianism clearly defined in those creeds. They are nothing in line with what the Bible says.

Such nonsense. The Scriptures define it for me. I don't need the words of those "creeds" to assist me. Never have.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yep, because every this from outside the four corners of the Holy Scriptures has to link to the scriptures to be accurate, and if they are accurate the do link. The Trinity being one. So there is not the word in the Bible. The Bible is not named in the Bible.

Just because the name is not there, does not mean it is not explained.

You would think he would know the word "synonymous" by now in his life.

 

[Runningman]

I've argued for many years that "Person" is a flawed distinction. It is simply a reference that shares some relationship to the Truth.

God is not a man. If you're going to apply "Person" to a man, then you're being dishonest in the classification.

Which what all you Unitarians do. Every last one of you.

We don't believe that Christ is solely a man. Please believe this.

A person doesn't need to be a human, bur rather anyone who has qualities associated with personhood, which God has. A person has a nature, but a nature doesn't have a person. You all always put the cart in front of the horse and none of it is in line with how everyone else understands english.

 

[Runningman]

Such nonsense. The Scriptures define it for me. I don't need the words of those "creeds" to assist me. Never have.

No, Scripture does not define it for you. You have attempted to make Scripture bow to your beliefs, no doubt, but God is never defined as a trinity anywhere in all of Scripture. You can't show any examples of it.

 

[praise_yeshua]

A person doesn't need to be a human, bur rather anyone who has qualities associated with personhood, which God has. A person has a nature, but a nature doesn't have a person. You all always put the cart in front of the horse and none of it is in line with how everyone else understands english.

I mentioned earlier how you live within the grey area between words in the English language. This is one of those areas.

Define nature and exclude character.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No, Scripture does not define it for you. You have attempted to make Scripture bow to your beliefs, no doubt, but God is never defined as a trinity anywhere in all of Scripture. You can't show any examples of it.

Sure I can.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

You don't believe John chapter 1. I don't expect you to believe anything John said.

 

[civic]

Sure I can.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

You don't believe John chapter 1. I don't expect you to believe anything John said.

Yes John’s gospel is filled from beginning to end with the Deity of Christ

 

[Runningman]

I mentioned earlier how you live within the grey area between words in the English language. This is one of those areas.

Define nature and exclude character.

Plainly, the Bible never defines God as a nature. The divine nature is something others can have without being God, right?

 

[Runningman]

Sure I can.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

You don't believe John chapter 1. I don't expect you to believe anything John said.

You seem to not believe John chapter 8. Did you read the whole thing? Jesus said he is a man who was taught the truth by God. The way you represent Jiohn 8:58 isn't a very convincing argument especially when Peter taught that Jesus is not the I AM.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Plainly, the Bible never defines God as a nature. The divine nature is something others can have without being God, right?

Again. You're living in the grey area between classifications. Words are similar but very seldom identical. I'll give you a lesson in languages.

God isn't a man but He became a man. The distinction between the character of men and the Character of God is what unique in this "Person". You're referencing in Jesus Christ.

You only see the man. That is all you've ever seen. I've seen God in Jesus Christ. I've tasted of that Truth. I've ate of it for many years. I know it. It is more than words to me.

So again. Define nature without including some sense of character. Try again.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You seem to not believe John chapter 8. Did you read the whole thing? Jesus said he is a man who was taught the truth by God. The way you represent Jiohn 8:58 isn't a very convincing argument especially when Peter taught that Jesus is not the I AM.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.

Just take John 8:58 at face value. Don't read your bias into the narrative here.

Jesus told those that were around Him that he was before Abraham. Right?

 

[civic]

You seem to not believe John chapter 8. Did you read the whole thing? Jesus said he is a man who was taught the truth by God. The way you represent Jiohn 8:58 isn't a very convincing argument especially when Peter taught that Jesus is not the I AM.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.

You ran away from John 8:58 where said He is the I Am of the OT. The next verse they tried once again to kill Him for claiming to be God.

The Jews understood Him and His claims yet you deny them.

Which proves you are incapable of reading scripture without bias.

hope this helps. !!!

 

[Runningman]

You ran away from John 8:58 where said He is the I Am of the OT. The next verse they tried once again to kill Him for claiming to be God.

The Jews understood Him and His claims yet you deny them.

Which proves you are incapable of reading scripture without bias.

hope this helps. !!!

I said read the chapter didn't I? Why would those who Jesus said are of their father the devil, liars, and murderers, have rightly understood Jesus when he said they do not believe him nor accept his message? Doesn't it contradict the premsie that they could understand what Jesus meant when Jesus literally just said they don't understand him? Jesus was not claiming to be the I AM according to Jesus.

John 8
43Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!

Now here is some helpful advice for you. Don't rely on Jesus' enemies for theology. Not a good look. I truly hope this helps!

 

[praise_yeshua]

I said read the chapter didn't I? Why would those who Jesus said are of their father the devil, liars, and murderers, have rightly understood Jesus when he said they do not believe him nor accept his message? Doesn't it contradict the premsie that they could understand what Jesus meant when Jesus literally just said they don't understand him? Jesus was not claiming to be the I AM according to Jesus.

John 8
43Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!

So what was Jesus condemned for in the Crucifixion?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I said read the chapter didn't I? Why would those who Jesus said are of their father the devil, liars, and murderers, have rightly understood Jesus when he said they do not believe him nor accept his message? Doesn't it contradict the premsie that they could understand what Jesus meant when Jesus literally just said they don't understand him? Jesus was not claiming to be the I AM according to Jesus.

John 8
43Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!

Now here is some helpful advice for you. Don't rely on Jesus' enemies for theology. Not a good look. I truly hope this helps!

Oh.... BTW.

What did Jesus say about Himself?

Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus was before Abraham.... right? I hate to keep asking you things you're ignoring. It shows your dishonesty.

 

[civic]

Oh.... BTW.

What did Jesus say about Himself?

Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus was before Abraham.... right? I hate to keep asking you things you're ignoring. It shows your dishonesty.

See spot run lol

 

[Runningman]

So what was Jesus condemned for in the Crucifixion?

Claiming to be a son of God isn't a violation of the law. I challenge you to show anything in Jewish law that states otherwise. Again, they were just wanting him dead.

 

[Runningman]

Oh.... BTW.

What did Jesus say about Himself?

Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus was before Abraham.... right? I hate to keep asking you things you're ignoring. It shows your dishonesty.

It's dishonest that you would misrepresent Jesus into meaning he was making a claim to be the I AM. That isn't what Jesus said.