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Not at all. Jesus is with 1 single religion-1Cor 1:10--Unified in thought( all of Gods truths) no division.

1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

You're doing this. Not me. You are doing this very thing. You're claiming to be the sole voice of Christ.

Read verse 13.

1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

I agree Christ isn't divided. However, you're not the solution or the only "child" getting it right. That is delusional.
 
Which is also what you are doing. Yes?

You all make the same claim of having the Holy Spirit guiding you into truth, yet all can't agree on the same things. What makes you different?
But I am the only one who has stated that often it is the Holy Spirit that writes my replies.
 
I think the @Administrator is right that to many will continue to take the debate in to many directions. I'm trying to focus on one or two questions at a time. More people will just introduce more saying well, what about this and what about that.
Then Admin needs to ask one of the other two of Reds to step back and be an alternate if needed.

I wont cause I laid the initial invite for them or

How about you do it?
 
Though I believe the Spirit of God can be with all of us, it is not an overpowering event where we just let go and let God dictate our responses.
The Holy Spirit might convict me to quote a passage but definitely not dictate what I write like He did with the inspired writers of scripture. He doesn’t write my responses but might convict me to say something. There is a big difference between them.
 
Though I believe the Spirit of God can be with all of us, it is not an overpowering event where we just let go and let God dictate our responses.
But I have had Him do that on occasion for me and I was not even aware of it at the moment.

It not that I closed my eyes and let Him have the keyboard it was more of an after the fact discovery where I truly did not
know I had written what I did, because it seemed as if someone else wrote it and it read so good but was right beside my avatar as me having responded.

NO, I am not prone to delusions or fantasies.

It was just a very pleasant experience. (I think 4 times over 11 or 12 years.

You also would never comprehend when He convicted me to the point I knew I might well be in trouble.

I will never forget the feeling.

You see I wanted to have my cake and eat it too..... And beyond that admission the rest is between God and me.
 
@Studyman

You are a coward! Do not take free shots at me, without entering into a serious debate on this subject. They should start this debate with you and me one on one! Others can be matched up as best for them.. All of us should at one time be able to debate each person. But, this is not up to me.

You have misrepresented me. Much of what you are babbling about is border line of blasphemy.

The Christ "of the Bible", the Holy One of Israel, or as David called Him, "The Scepter of God's Kingdom" in my understanding, became a flesh and blood, mortal human being in the person of Jesus. He was born of a woman. He learned obedience by the things HE suffered. He was temped in all ways, as other humans. He was "Taught in the way that HE should go", from His Youth. He came, as it is written, "As a Lamb to the Slaughter". He lived by Faith in His Father and became the perfect Human Being. And because of His Efforts, His Commitment to His Father, "because" HE "Yielded Himself" to God in all things, God anointed Him and gave Him a name above every other human ever born.

You want to talk about "Deity", a God who laid down His Own Immortal Life, risked His Own Immortality to become a perfect sacrifice to God "for men", to redeem "men", to save "men".

But in this world God placed me in, there is another Christ being promoted. A Christ that chooses angels, based on nothing they do, to be protected, while choosing other angels, like Lucifer, to be left on their own and not protected.

When I ask the question, "protected from what"? It's God's Kingdom in heaven, Lucifer was created perfect just as all angels are, just as Eve was. There was no evil there. What did the Angels need to be protected from?

None of the promoters of this world's religions have an answer, nor will they even engage. I have found the answer through study and faith. Not by the teaching of this world's religious system, but be coming out of this world's religious system .

You also teach this same Christ sent Eve into a World with a perfect deceiver, "with no assistance at all". Then when she was deceived because you preach she had no protection, He punished her. And not just her, but her children as well. And not just her children, but all children ever born to this day, by creating in them, according to you, a "Sin Nature" that Adam and Eve (and Lucifer) were not created with.

Then you preach that this same Christ created Laws impossible for these men HE created with a "Sin Nature" to obey. You called them "Beggarly Elements, a "Yoke of Bondage". But HE told them they could obey Him, which you preach isn't true. Then this same Christ slaughtered the men who didn't obey these Laws you preach are impossible to obey.

Then you adopt and promote to others, that the Prophesied Messiah, who Isaiah said,

Is. 7: 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, "that he may know" to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

Is. 53: 2 For he shall grow up before him "as a tender plant", and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Wasn't a man, tempted in all ways as other men, but was God. And you have said more than once, that this God man overcame sin and temptation, not by Faith, as is required of all other Humans, but "Because" HE was God and retained God powers no other human was every allowed to access, and HE overcame Sin and Temptation by implementing these powers that HE Himself, as the God of Abraham, withheld from all other humans.

This is not just your adopted religion, but a philosophy of man that is and has been widely taught since long before we were placed by God in this world.

This is the philosophy you promote Red, with the lipstick taken off. You have shown this teaching to me over and over for more than a decade now.

I don't believe the Bible as a whole supports this world's religious system, or the philosophies promoted therein. I don't believe the Christ you promote, is the Christ as shown to us in Scriptures.

Clearly we were warned other Christs, "another Jesus" and deceptions from men who "Transform themselves into apostles of Christ".

Heb. 4: 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted "like as we are", yet without sin.

You philosophy that Jesus stacked the deck by claiming to be a man, but reserving for Himself God Powers HE Himself withheld from all other humans, and then gave Himself the Trophy when HE overcame temptations, is an awful judgment against God, and not supported by Scriptures. But remains in perfect alignment of your Judgment of God sending Eve into the world "with no assistance at all" so she would become defiled, then punishing her and the entire world because she was defiled. And also aligns with your Judgment of God that HE placed impossible to obey Laws on the necks of men who trusted Him, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they couldn't obey.

I'm not misrepresenting your adopted religious philosophy at all. I'm just removing the lipstick, like Jesus did to the Philosophies of the mainstream preachers of His Time. Perhaps instead of working so hard to justify yourself and your adopted religion, you would be better off "presenting your body a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

But it's a choice only you can make.
 
But I have had Him do that on occasion for me and I was not even aware of it at the moment.

It not that I closed my eyes and let Him have the keyboard it was more of an after the fact discovery where I truly did not
know I had written what I did, because it seemed as if someone else wrote it and it read so good but was right beside my avatar as me having responded.

NO, I am not prone to delusions or fantasies.

It was just a very pleasant experience. (I think 4 times over 11 or 12 years.

You also would never comprehend when He convicted me to the point I knew I might well be in trouble.

I will never forget the feeling.

You see I wanted to have my cake and eat it too..... And beyond that admission the rest is between God and me.

I believe God makes connections for me from time to time when I write. Things I wouldn't have said otherwise. Not trying to discourage this at all. God has the record. I've learned to avoid trying to defend such. I just let the words speak for themselves. If they do at all....

Wisdom is justified of her children.
 
Correct to a degree but you're still resisting the Unity that exists in relationship. Independent but willingly the same.

You're thinking like a man that has never realized their own failures. You want to RULE in your mind. There can only be "One".
Jesus is subordinate to God. Do you agree with that?
Ah. Pride. We all have it. I pray God breaks your pride.
Um, zealousness for truth isn't pride. Why would God attempt to strip me of what is true and replace it with falsehoods?

You really don't understand Trinitarianism because you lack the fundamental understanding of what a relationship between separate Persons is.....

You might get it one day as life teaches you to not be so self centered. There is a danger in not properly honoring Jesus Christ. It will catch up to you one day. I hope it doesn't.
You might have a point if you could provide a working example of the trinity in the Bible, which you can't. No one can. Trinitarianism is defined in the creeds, but not in Scripture.
 
You don't believe that garbage. It is just an fake argument without any sincerity.

You're living in the grey areas between words. I can believe you're not sincere given what you say. You're wholly inconsistent in speech.

God.... would you say the same things about Him?

We are only as good as what "WE HAVE". You are "WHAT YOU HAVE".
You seem to be arguing against me saying God is a person. Is that what you're doing?
 
Scripture states that the Father is God (I'm sure you agree) but also "the Word was God" (here is your problem). So, how do you resolve the fact that multiple Persons are God without going into a tirade against what John wrote?
You just provided your commentary, including the Greek, of John 1:1. Now that it's not serving you, you are running back to what John 1:1 says in English. Of course, the Word is not literally God as you just proved in your previous reply. Sharing a divine nature has nothing to do with omnipresence or the other attributes of God that Jesus does not possess in Scripture.

It seems your misunderstanding is that you don't know that a nature is not a person, but rather a quality that someone can have, and it doesn't make them the other person they share it with. According to your argument, you make Christians out to be God because they possess God's divine nature. If that doesn't wake you up, not sure what will.

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Let's see how you can possibly smooth over all of your flat-out Bible and logic contradictions:
  1. You said that "the Word is not actually God" which flat out contradicts John 1:1c that says "the Word was God".
  2. You refuse to believe that the Word shares God's nature (omnipresence, omnipotence) even though you agree with the Word "sharing God's divine nature".
  3. The REV translates from God only knows which originals when they dreamt up the phrase "what God was the word was".
1 John 1:1-3 says the Word is not God, but rather a thing called eternal life that was revealed by Jesus.
 
According to your argument, you make Christians out to be God because they possess God's divine nature. If that doesn't wake you up, not sure what will.

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Why wouldn't the pronouns refer back to the Lord Jesus since He was previously mentioned in verse 2?
 
Jesus is subordinate to God. Do you agree with that?

Um, zealousness for truth isn't pride. Why would God attempt to strip me of what is true and replace it with falsehoods?


You might have a point if you could provide a working example of the trinity in the Bible, which you can't. No one can. Trinitarianism is defined in the creeds, but not in Scripture.
How many creeds is it in?

Who wrote those creeds and when?

Where did the authors of the creeds get the idea of a Trinity from?
 
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

You're doing this. Not me. You are doing this very thing. You're claiming to be the sole voice of Christ.

Read verse 13.

1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

I agree Christ isn't divided. However, you're not the solution or the only "child" getting it right. That is delusional.
Jesus' 1 religion has it correct.
 
Jesus is subordinate to God. Do you agree with that?

No. They are in agreement. I bet you use the same argument with your wife don't you? I bet you don't have a wife. Will she tolerate such nonsense as you see in relationships? Everyone is subordinate to you.... right?

The more important question...

Is Jesus subordinate to you? You obvious believe He is. It is why I keep pointing out your own pride in all of this.

Um, zealousness for truth isn't pride. Why would God attempt to strip me of what is true and replace it with falsehoods?

It isn't true because you believe it to be true.

You might have a point if you could provide a working example of the trinity in the Bible, which you can't. No one can. Trinitarianism is defined in the creeds, but not in Scripture.

The last time we were to have a dedicated debate on this, you disappeared. I'll have one now if you're up for it but you'll just disappear again.
 
@Kewi
Jesus' 1 religion has it correct.
I KNOW we do, glad to see you are confessing this to be so. ;)

My forefather's never had to confront your false religion of the Jehovah Witnesses. They were born around less than a hundred and fifty years ago.

They are not only wrong of the deity of Christ, which is a major doctrine, but almost in every doctrine they hold to is a corruption of God' truth. It is a work based gospel exalting man from start to finish.

I think you and @FreeInChrist should go head to head. I would love to see that cat fight, I would almost pay to see it. I know where my money would go.
 
You seem to be arguing against me saying God is a person. Is that what you're doing?

I've argued for many years that "Person" is a flawed distinction. It is simply a reference that shares some relationship to the Truth.

God is not a man. If you're going to apply "Person" to a man, then you're being dishonest in the classification.

Which is what all you Unitarians do. Every last one of you.

We don't believe that Christ is solely a man. Please believe this.
 
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How many creeds is it in?

Who wrote those creeds and when?

Where did the authors of the creeds get the idea of a Trinity from?
The Trinity is a post-Biblical development.

Read up on the The Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed (381 AD) and The Athanasian Creed (circa 5th-6th century AD). You will find orthodox Trinitarianism clearly defined in those creeds. They are nothing in line with what the Bible says.
 
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