A Favorite Reformed Doctrine

I would say that we're all granted the ability to believe. But we still have the choice to believe or not to believe. Should have would have could have, It's all up to the individual. God doesn't want robots, He wants people to choose to love him.

Definition of grant:

agree to give or allow (something requested) to:
"a letter granting them permission to smoke"

According to that definition if you've been granted permission to come to Jesus doesn't necessarily mean you will come. You have to be willing, It has to be your choice.

That's one of the major problems with communism, you don't have a choice. You're going to get dragged kicking and screaming to the cross no matter what.
Well said.
 
Pre-regenerating grace is the ticket. It's that work of the Holy Spirit that “opens the heart” of the unregenerate. Like
Lydia, the Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. Acts 16:14.

Today the Holy Spirit “opens the heart” to the truth of the gospel and enables us to respond positively in faith to God's gift of offered to all who are willing to believe.
 
Sorry, disposed, inclined are not in the text.

Appointed precedes believing.
They were in the text I supplied you

and even without those texts you still have nothing which states they were unconditionally elected

and

The Calvinist interpretation doesn’t fit the context. These Gentiles were not blind, stubborn and fully obstinate, according to the Calvinist doctrine of Total Inability, but appear to have been receptive, God-fearing, sanctified worshipers of God.
 
They were in the text I supplied you

and even without those texts you still have nothing which states they were unconditionally elected

and

The Calvinist interpretation doesn’t fit the context. These Gentiles were not blind, stubborn and fully obstinate, according to the Calvinist doctrine of Total Inability, but appear to have been receptive, God-fearing, sanctified worshipers of God.
They are not in the orginal language and are not in most translation. How does your KJV translate I wonder? NIV? NASB? ESV?
 
Except for I wrote communism instead of Calvinism. What do they call that a "Freudian slip" an unintentional error regarded as revealing subconscious feelings.
No worries-I fall in the Freudian slip myself-but what I do notice is that this Forum is not very "active"-catch my drift?
 
They are not in the orginal language and are not in most translation. How does your KJV translate I wonder? NIV? NASB? ESV?
Earth to Presy02

disposed is a translation of the original text

hello
'
The lexicons show that


τάσσω Greek GK #5435

[5435] τάσσω tassō 8× to arrange; to set, appoint, in a certain station, Lk. 7:8; Rom. 13:1; to set, devote, to a pursuit, 1 Cor. 16:15; to dispose, frame, for an object, Acts 13:48; to arrange, appoint, place or time, Mt. 28:16; Acts 28:23; to allot, assign, Acts 22:10; to settle, decide, Acts 15:2* [5021]1

1 William D. Mounce, Mounce’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old & New Testament Words (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2006), 1288.



5021. τάσσω

latter appears only in certain tenses); to arrange in an orderly manner, i.e. assign or dispose (to a certain position or lot):- addict, appoint, determine, ordain, set.Strong’s Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary, G5021 (1 time)



1299. διατάσσω diatássō

from diá (1223), through, and tássō (5021), to appoint, order. To arrange throughout, to dispose in order as trees, troops. In the NT: to command, used in connection with what was appointed…The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament, G1299 (1 time)



διατάσσω

Att. -ττω: f. ξω:—Pass., aor. i -ετάχθην: pf. -τέταγμαι:—to appoint or ordain severally, dispose, Hes., Hdt.:—absol. to make arrangements, Xen.:—Med. to arrange for oneself, get things…An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon, p 195 (1 time)



διατάσσω

διατέτᾰχα BGU1151.6 (i b.c.), prob. in OGI326.27 (Teos):—appoint or ordain severally, dispose, εὖ δὲ ἕκαστα ἀθανάτοις διέταξε Hes.Th.74; ἀνθρώποισι νόμον δ. Id.Op.276…A Greek-English Lexicon, p 414 (1 time)
 
Earth to Presy02

disposed is a translation of the original text

hello
'
The lexicons show that


τάσσω Greek GK #5435

[5435] τάσσω tassō 8× to arrange; to set, appoint, in a certain station, Lk. 7:8; Rom. 13:1; to set, devote, to a pursuit, 1 Cor. 16:15; to dispose, frame, for an object, Acts 13:48; to arrange, appoint, place or time, Mt. 28:16; Acts 28:23; to allot, assign, Acts 22:10; to settle, decide, Acts 15:2* [5021]1

1 William D. Mounce, Mounce’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old & New Testament Words (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2006), 1288.



5021. τάσσω

latter appears only in certain tenses); to arrange in an orderly manner, i.e. assign or dispose (to a certain position or lot):- addict, appoint, determine, ordain, set.Strong’s Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary, G5021 (1 time)



1299. διατάσσω diatássō

from diá (1223), through, and tássō (5021), to appoint, order. To arrange throughout, to dispose in order as trees, troops. In the NT: to command, used in connection with what was appointed…The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament, G1299 (1 time)



διατάσσω

Att. -ττω: f. ξω:—Pass., aor. i -ετάχθην: pf. -τέταγμαι:—to appoint or ordain severally, dispose, Hes., Hdt.:—absol. to make arrangements, Xen.:—Med. to arrange for oneself, get things…An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon, p 195 (1 time)



διατάσσω

διατέτᾰχα BGU1151.6 (i b.c.), prob. in OGI326.27 (Teos):—appoint or ordain severally, dispose, εὖ δὲ ἕκαστα ἀθανάτοις διέταξε Hes.Th.74; ἀνθρώποισι νόμον δ. Id.Op.276…A Greek-English Lexicon, p 414 (1 time)
No it's not. If it were it would be translated that way. Hence the KJV, your favorite, translates it appointed to eternal life believed.

Along with the ESV, NASV, NIV, RSV and a majority of the rest.
 
No worries-I fall in the Freudian slip myself-but what I do notice is that this Forum is not very "active"-catch my drift?
We're all really old... too much activity will wear us out. If you have any ideas how to Liven in and things up talk to the administrator. I think there's a thread on that particular topic of how to improve the forum.
 
Last edited:
Earth to Presy02

disposed is a translation of the original text

hello
'
The lexicons show that


τάσσω Greek GK #5435

[5435] τάσσω tassō 8× to arrange; to set, appoint, in a certain station, Lk. 7:8; Rom. 13:1; to set, devote, to a pursuit, 1 Cor. 16:15; to dispose, frame, for an object, Acts 13:48; to arrange, appoint, place or time, Mt. 28:16; Acts 28:23; to allot, assign, Acts 22:10; to settle, decide, Acts 15:2* [5021]1

1 William D. Mounce, Mounce’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old & New Testament Words (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2006), 1288.



5021. τάσσω

latter appears only in certain tenses); to arrange in an orderly manner, i.e. assign or dispose (to a certain position or lot):- addict, appoint, determine, ordain, set.Strong’s Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary, G5021 (1 time)



1299. διατάσσω diatássō

from diá (1223), through, and tássō (5021), to appoint, order. To arrange throughout, to dispose in order as trees, troops. In the NT: to command, used in connection with what was appointed…The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament, G1299 (1 time)



διατάσσω

Att. -ττω: f. ξω:—Pass., aor. i -ετάχθην: pf. -τέταγμαι:—to appoint or ordain severally, dispose, Hes., Hdt.:—absol. to make arrangements, Xen.:—Med. to arrange for oneself, get things…An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon, p 195 (1 time)



διατάσσω

διατέτᾰχα BGU1151.6 (i b.c.), prob. in OGI326.27 (Teos):—appoint or ordain severally, dispose, εὖ δὲ ἕκαστα ἀθανάτοις διέταξε Hes.Th.74; ἀνθρώποισι νόμον δ. Id.Op.276…A Greek-English Lexicon, p 414 (1 time)
You are confusing him with the facts . :)
 
We're all really old... too much activity will wear us out. If you have any ideas how to liven and things up talk to the administrator. I think there's a thread on that particular topic of how to improve the forum.
Speak for yourself, I might be old but I refuse to grow up. I'm going to get so active on this thread it's going to make your head spin.

Just the name of the threat is a misnomer. Free Willers don't miss anything. We understand Calvinism and the sovereignty of God. On the other hand Calvinist believe in distinct from fatalism, which denies human free will. Humans are able to make genuine choices that have real consequences. God does not directly cause everything to happen, yet He does allow all that happens to happen. And, ultimately, God’s will is going to be accomplished.

He's an awesome God. John 3:16 No other verse in the Bible so succinctly summarizes God’s relationship with humanity and the way of salvation.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
 
Last edited:
No it's not. If it were it would be translated that way. Hence the KJV, your favorite, translates it appointed to eternal life believed.

Along with the ESV, NASV, NIV, RSV and a majority of the rest.
Sorry but the lexicons beg to differ and there are translations which so translate

The verse does not establish your doctrine as even this Calvinist acknowledges

The Jews here had voluntarily rejected the word of God. On the other side were those Gentiles who gladly accepted what the Jews had rejected, not all the Gentiles. Why these Gentiles here ranged themselves on God’s side as opposed to the Jews Luke does not tell us. This verse does not solve the vexed problem of divine sovereignty and human free agency.

A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Ac 13:48.
 
Back
Top Bottom