Aeliana
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Be my guest.
7 Reasons the church does not go through the great tribulation
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Aeliana
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That's wonderful.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Here is a reminder for us all .
Have you noticed that this generation is huge about lets not offend anyone and lets just get along .
And yet examination upon what they allow , overlook and even call good
ITS darn sure certain they worry NOT at all about OFFENDING GOD .
HAve you noticed this generation has become huge on trying to please man
Yet by doing so accepts and overlooks MANY things NOT PLEASING TO GOD .
And now a word from paul
for if i were to please man i would NOT be the servant of CHRIST .
any guesses on why that is ......
Cause that which pleases man IS an abomination to GOD . THis generation does everything now
to please the flesh of man . AND that is why more and more sins are accepted and darn sure not corrected .
And that is why now at the last even UNBELEIF is becoming accepted
I would like for us all to return to the bible and enjoy it daily .
WHEN we do compare how JESUS did all things , TO todays version of jesus
and when we do notice how the apostels did things ,
compared to todays leaders . And you will soon see , OH dear WE ARE BEING DEcIEVED and have been LED
astray . Feel free to put me to the test on this . BIBLE TIME everyone lets do us some comparing .
Time to get back on topic. All done with the rabbit trails.
Neil Spargo
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I'm all for a Pre-trib Rapture. One reason is because Jesus did say, “Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh” Matthew 24:44
The only time frame I can think of when we believers would not be expecting Jesus to return would have to be before the tribulation.
The only time frame I can think of when we believers would not be expecting Jesus to return would have to be before the tribulation.
Grace ambassador
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Precious friend, would not "expecting Him before the Great Trib" be the Imminent 'expectation'?
According to Paul's own expectation [ in his own day? ], he stated: "...we which are alive and
remain Shall Be Caught Up..." (1 Thessalonians 4:17 AV)
So, following our 'pattern' (1 Timothy 1:16 AV), shouldn't we be "doing the same"(?) as taught in:
Blessed Hope, "looking, watching, and patiently waiting For The LORD Jesus Christ!"
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25; 1 Corinthians 1:7;
Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10;
1 Thessalonians 5:5-11 AV)
"Looking for that Blessed Hope, and The Glorious Appearing Of
The Great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ!" (Titus 2:13 AV)
Amen.
More Biblical Agreement with 'pre-trib' is here: God's Great Grace Departure!
e v e
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Implying someone is not christian in a round about way, who has often stated indeed to be christian, just happened to me here in the last day or two, and is also a rule violation, however subtle it may be.. Often this goes along with having altered what i believe or said, either based on not understanding or intentional I do not know.)
e v e
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Yes... rapture first, then tribulation (but without tribulation implying that many of Jacob won't be saved after tribulation given that Christ and His 2 witnesses visit jacob during trib.)
@civic
Luke 17:21
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
Civic, you are not following the method of godly men in the scriptures, where they:
You are running with the sound bites (the kingdom of God is within you) of the scriptures and not searching for the true biblical meaning of the text you are taking you teaching from.
1) The Pharisees demanded from Christ to tell them when the kingdom of God should come, a kingdom like YOU believe in that shall be on this present earth in Jerusalem etc.
2) The Lord made it very clear that the kingdom of God will NOT come with observation, as they believe that it would come, just as you and others believe it shall one day shall come to this earth, after a so-called seven years of tribulation period, etc.
3) Jesus said: "behold, the kingdom of God is within you." The blinded Pharisees were still looking for God to come a set up his kingdom in the Israel, in the land of the middle east~nothing could be so far from the truth!
Jesus said ~ "Behold" the kingdom of God is within you, or, within your very midst! They had no clue that Jesus Christ the King of the the true Israel of God was standing in their midst and they rejected and hated him for no other reason then the gracious words that fell from his lips, for no man ever spoke as he spake, tet they rejected very word that he said! They accused him of being devil possessed, just as the generation of vipers today reject his people and the truth they they teach.
The kingdom of heaven/God one and the same did not come with great pomp and observation, but the king came as poor member of the Jewish people, totally unknown by most, born not in a palace, but in the stable, to two poor parents. Lived a life of a pleasant, and did not have a place to lay his head, etc.
Let us start with the doctrine of a secret Rapture that premillennialism whole system stands or fall. Let me know, or, we can start wherever you desire to do so.
Are you referring to this verse:
Luke 17:21
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
Civic, you are not following the method of godly men in the scriptures, where they:
Nehemiah 8:8
“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.”You are running with the sound bites (the kingdom of God is within you) of the scriptures and not searching for the true biblical meaning of the text you are taking you teaching from.
Luke 17:20
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."1) The Pharisees demanded from Christ to tell them when the kingdom of God should come, a kingdom like YOU believe in that shall be on this present earth in Jerusalem etc.
2) The Lord made it very clear that the kingdom of God will NOT come with observation, as they believe that it would come, just as you and others believe it shall one day shall come to this earth, after a so-called seven years of tribulation period, etc.
3) Jesus said: "behold, the kingdom of God is within you." The blinded Pharisees were still looking for God to come a set up his kingdom in the Israel, in the land of the middle east~nothing could be so far from the truth!
Jesus said ~ "Behold" the kingdom of God is within you, or, within your very midst! They had no clue that Jesus Christ the King of the the true Israel of God was standing in their midst and they rejected and hated him for no other reason then the gracious words that fell from his lips, for no man ever spoke as he spake, tet they rejected very word that he said! They accused him of being devil possessed, just as the generation of vipers today reject his people and the truth they they teach.
The kingdom of heaven/God one and the same did not come with great pomp and observation, but the king came as poor member of the Jewish people, totally unknown by most, born not in a palace, but in the stable, to two poor parents. Lived a life of a pleasant, and did not have a place to lay his head, etc.
Bias opinion? I would to God just you and I would debate one on one this subject, and let us see who has an bias opinion. I try to get you to do so at the start of this thread with no success.
Let us start with the doctrine of a secret Rapture that premillennialism whole system stands or fall. Let me know, or, we can start wherever you desire to do so.
Grace ambassador
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Precious friend, I have waited for many years for a kind and humble discussion
about this Very thing, as I have my own personal [ 17-part ] study done over a period of
18 months I took off from the crazy u-tube accusations of heretic, lie from the pits of hell,
etc., and these continue on all the forums I have been on.
Start a new thread? If @civic "turns you down" of course ♫
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What is the concept of a secret rapture?
The doctrine of the secret Rapture is the belief that Jesus will first return secretly to take all living and dead Christians to heaven to be with him, a process called the "gathering" or "rapture". This event, which proponents believe occurs before a seven-year Great Tribulation, would be secret and invisible to the rest of the world. Following the Rapture, the tribulation would commence on Earth, and after this period, Jesus would return visibly with believers to judge the world.
What is the concept of a secret rapture? | GotQuestions.org
What is the concept of a secret rapture? Will the rapture of the church be a secret? How could the disappearance of millions of people be a secret?
www.gotquestions.org
civic
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I’m not into the ego of “ winning “ a debate. Most often they are not cordial encounters and usually ends up putting people down insulting them most of the time.Precious friend, I have waited for many years for a kind and humble discussion
about this Very thing, as I have my own personal [ 17-part ] study done over a period of
18 months I took off from the crazy u-tube accusations of heretic, lie from the pits of hell,
etc., and these continue on all the forums I have been on.
Start a new thread? If @civic "turns you down" of course ♫
e v e
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e v e
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Victoria
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Oh, nooo!!! I apologize for making that assumption, Red Baker!No brother...but a sister!@FreeInChrist is a very, very, very old woman.
Trying to read everything to get up to speed.
Now I feel
e v e
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I think due to textual corruptions, there have come up many versions of rapture and many other themes... and often cruel ugly versions, when God does not talk like that. One such is that 'only the 144k' will return to eden paradise at rapture.. darby's so ugly version.... which, leaves most of jacob with accusations of hell, to me a weird concept since we are there in the evil realm dungeon right now. but anyway after rapture many of jacob will go home too.
Victoria
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@FreeInChrist @Red Baker
I'm probably in between what's considered young, & old... depending on what one defines as old.
To me, old is when someone can no longer care for themselves.
Then there's people who are playful. My mother used to call my late husband, & myself, children
Never a day went by where we weren't smiling, &/or laughing... mom included
Victoria
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e v e,
You're projecting unto me what you're actually guilty of doing, hun. It's called gaslighting "aka" psychological manipulation.
I kindly ask you to please stop. In another thread, you denied God, & the Gospel.
It sounded like you were mixing Eastern Religion concepts w/ Christianity.
You were denying the core fundamentals of Christian belief:
All Claims of The Son's Deity | Page 88
You posted things like:
The gospel is a corrupt copy esau wrote. the kjv is a sorcery text.
anything saying He created us as creatures is esau's lie.
The trinity is God, our mother, Christ God s son and representative of all of us, God's sons and daughters...
all the other versions are of the evil realm.
The three are He, our mother and Christ
I would say that electricity is definitely one aspect by which to refer to our Eden mother the Holy Spirit.... who is our Comforter, together with Christ.
all the girls are in His spirits image.
etc., etc.
So if the KJV is sorcery text, other versions are of the evil realm, & the Gospel is a corrupt copy Esau wrote...
this is in contrast to Christianity. Someone has to believe the Gospel in order to be saved.
e v e
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i am expressing my understanding of what He says. Not my fault how you take take that = your opinions.
was it you who said you are not even christian? so how does that make you an expert of what He says? why not please just block me ? i would be grateful.
your accusations of me are not relevant .
i am not 'hun'.
i reported this.
There's no problem, I have done the same before, and you will not be the last person to do this. @FreeInChrist is a good person, and probably thought nothing of it, we both go back a few years on forums. I have kept my same name over the years, but she changes names like my granddaughters do clothes, could not happen to a more deserving person.Oh, nooo!!! I apologize for making that assumption, Red Baker!
Now I feel
