civic
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There are no references , sources so it’s not authoritative.
7 Reasons the church does not go through the great tribulation
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dwight92070
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It's from Grok AI, which actually is quite reliable.
Here's another bit of info from the same source:
AI Summary
To understand the age of dispensational theology, consider the following points:
- Dispensational theology emerged in the early 19th century.
- It was popularized by John Nelson Darby in the 1830s.
- The theology gained traction with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible in 1909.
- It emphasizes a literal interpretation of the Bible and distinct dispensations of God's plan.
- Dispensationalism became influential in American evangelicalism throughout the 20th century.
- Today, it remains a significant perspective within certain Christian denominations.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Well whether folks are ready or not
ITS COMING . We are gonna face persecutions that none of us in the western societies
has had to face .
It will be upon us just as soon as this delusion has filled these people to the full with the lie .
What started out as love and tolerance , in order to silence the truth
led only to the evil coming in and taking over . NOW that they got the high ground
They will seek more and more to silence any reminder of the truth .
And in time it wont just be words , its gonna be action .
SO prepare to lose all for JESUS sake . Let none conform to this ecuminal movement
for if one does they will never see this tribulation i speak about .
THEY will see only this , Dangerous haters being removed from society for sake of peace .
IN OTHER WORDS they will be helping and all in for the persecution of the true sheep WHO DID NOT conform .
Even now civic , even now you would marvel
at what has been done and is being done to transform minds
to see MEN Like me as dangerous as even ISIS . OH YEAH its happening . YET I dont even beleive in self defense .
BUT IT DONT and wont matter . mark those words well civic .
NOW On those FEET , we gots the true faith to contend for my friend .
THE WHORE and her love religoin takes no time off
WE take no time off . expose this harlot and preach JESUS .
Victoria
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Greetings Red Baker
Making the Body of Christ the bride, the Lamb's wife, comes from Replacement Theology. It's a teaching that comes out of the RCC, hence why it's referred to as the "Holy Mother church" (i.e. feminine). There are no "her/she" pronouns in the Body of Christ, hence why we're of twain called, one new man (Ephesians 2:15), not one new woman. It's masculine, see?
Jesus Christ is our new identity. We're God's husbandry. 1 Corinthians 3:9
God's design for marriage is only to be between one man, & one woman, becoming one flesh. Polygamy goes against God's design for marriage, thus making it sinful. Moses murdered a man, king David not only slept w/ a married woman, & got her pregnant... he also murdered her husband. Would you say that murder/adultery therefore was not sinful, maybe not ideal,
but not sinful? Of course not!
"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-12
There's a huge difference between a body (masculine), & a born again nation (feminine). What's quite funny, is when you actually think about it, the BoC (masculine) wants to steal Israel's (feminine) man, spiritually speaking
In Romans 11, Paul is explaining, AND making it perfectly clear, that Israel is not cast away
Victoria
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Correct, however, God doesn't add us to the bride, the Lamb's wife. That's all 100% Jewish.
We are not a "born again" nation, we're a body... a spiritual, masculine body "aka" Jesus Christ.
Victoria
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Israel, Hebrews-Revelation
It is widely understood that the books of the Old Testament were written for Israel.
Less understood is that there are epistles written to Israel in the New Testament, too.
The reason this is not recognized is that most assume that since Christ came everything written was for the church today.
Afterall, didn’t Israel reject their Messiah?
Not all of them did. There was a remnant that believed Him.
This is why James writes his epistle “to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad” (James 1:1).
There are no tribes in the Church today. Gentiles are not scattered in Gentile nations. They are right at home.
James was writing to the remnant of Israel scattered from Jerusalem for believing in their Messiah (see Acts 8:1).
Peter writes to the same scattered “strangers” in his epistles.
These letters were written by the elders of the church in Jerusalem to their scattered congregation – the remnant nation of Israel, the believing twelve tribes, the holy nation (1 Pet 2:9).
Unlike Paul’s epistles, which were often addressed to churches established and gathering in a Gentile city or region, the Remnant epistles [Hebrews-Revelation] are written to Jewish believers scattered and strangers among those cities and regions. Their nation was Israel.
If one of Israel’s twelve tribal apostles wrote the epistle, then you are likely reading an epistle to the scattered Messianic nation of Israel (Matt 19:28; Gal 2:9).
Paul, Romans-Philemon
"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:" Romans 11:13
"(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles" Galatians 2:8
"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." 1 Timothy 2:7
"Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles." 2 Timothy 1:11
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Victoria
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Greetings again dwight,
We have not only a more reliable source, but most importantly... we have scripture as well!
Let's start w/ the more reliable source. Recall that both Polycarp, & Papias were disciples of the apostle John... & how Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp? Is there NOT a more reliable source then they?
Jerome wrote of Polycarp (On Illustrious Men,17):
"Polycarp, a disciple of the apostle John and by him ordained bishop of Smyrna, was the leader of all Asia,
where he saw and had as teachers some of the apostles and of those who had seen the Lord."
“And therefore in the end when the Church is suddenly caught up from this, it is said, ‘There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.’ For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome, they are crowned with incorruption." Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5.29.1
"In this persecution, it is handed down by tradition, that the apostle John, who was yet living, in consequence of his testamony of the divine word, was condemned to dwell on the island of Patmos. Irenaeus, indeed, in his fifth book against the heresies, where he speaks of the calculation formed on the epithet of, in the abovementioned revelation of John, speaks in the following manner respecting him. 'If, however, it were necessary to proclaim his name (i.e. Antichrist), openly at the present time, it would have been declared by him who saw the revelation, for it is not long since it was seen, but almost in our own generation, at the close of Domitian's reign." Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, pp. 101-102
The Apostle's Creed
Council of Milan - AD 390
(220 years after the destruction of Jerusalem)
#7 - who WILL come again to judge the living and the dead.
The Preterist view was created in the 17th Century by a
Jesuit priest named Luis de Alcazar.
He lived from 1554 to 1613.
His purpose was to defend the Catholic church against the
attacks of the Reformation movement.
He attributed the Tribulation to the fall of Israel and the
great apostasy to the first Century church.
"Preterist" is Latin.
The very language the Catholic church and the Jesuit priests used.
It means "past." Thus, Preterists believe Bible prophecy was fulfilled in the past.
What The Prophets Said:
Hosea 2:18; Micah 4:3; Isaiah 2:4 <--- future
Revelation 20:9 tells us they gather, but no weapons, no war training <--- future
Prophecy tells us there would be no more war after Armageddon.
Micah 4:1-3; Isaiah 2:2-4 <--- future
Isaiah 11:6; Isaiah 65:25 <--- future
Isaiah 65:19; Revelation 21:4 <--- future
Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14 <--- future
Jeremiah 3:14; 16-18 <--- future
Psalm 83 <--- still surrounds modern day Israel to this day.
God Will Battle Jerusalem's Foes
Zechariah 14 <--- future
"The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD." Hosea 1:2
Israel's Unfaithfulness Condemned
Hosea 2:1-13
Restoration of Israel
Hosea 2:14-23 <--- future
The Judgment Seat of Christ (The Just):
Romans 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Corinthians 3:9-15
The Great White Throne Judgment (The Unjust):
Revelation 20:11-15
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@Victoria
I'll have a few minutes to post before folks begin to arise from a night of sleep, for me, I've been up since five which is generally a little late for me. I said to my wife once....'Honey, I wish you would get up and see the beautiful sun rise with me, to which she said....I wish you would keep from going to bed at night, so you could see the sunset with me"~ what could say? She got me!
I respectfully disagree with you, where you said: "Making the Body of Christ the bride, the Lamb's wife, comes from Replacement Theology. It's a teaching that comes out of the RCC".
Just because RCC say something right once in a blue moon, does not make it wrong. As I was thinking before posting to you, exactly how I should answer you being short on time, here are some of my thoughts.
1) The Church (Jews and Gentiles) are indeed the body of Christ being one with him just as a husband and wife are one flesh. How would you answer teh following.
Sister, who is the bride of Christ in this verse? Again:
Who is the bride of Christ in these verses? Again:
Who is the Lamb marrying?
Go back to Revelation 22:17 ~“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”
look at verse 16:
That is where the BRIDE IS, who along with the Spirit said COME!
I'll be back later....in the meantime consider these scriptures. RB
Good morning Victoria,
I'll have a few minutes to post before folks begin to arise from a night of sleep, for me, I've been up since five which is generally a little late for me. I said to my wife once....'Honey, I wish you would get up and see the beautiful sun rise with me, to which she said....I wish you would keep from going to bed at night, so you could see the sunset with me"~ what could say? She got me!
I respectfully disagree with you, where you said: "Making the Body of Christ the bride, the Lamb's wife, comes from Replacement Theology. It's a teaching that comes out of the RCC".
Just because RCC say something right once in a blue moon, does not make it wrong. As I was thinking before posting to you, exactly how I should answer you being short on time, here are some of my thoughts.
1) The Church (Jews and Gentiles) are indeed the body of Christ being one with him just as a husband and wife are one flesh. How would you answer teh following.
Revelation 22:17
“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”Sister, who is the bride of Christ in this verse? Again:
Revelation 21:2
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”Revelation 21:9
“And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.”Who is the bride of Christ in these verses? Again:
Revelation 19:7
“Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.”Who is the Lamb marrying?
Go back to Revelation 22:17 ~“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”
look at verse 16:
Revelation 22:16
“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”That is where the BRIDE IS, who along with the Spirit said COME!
I'll be back later....in the meantime consider these scriptures. RB
civic
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Yes replacing Israel and all it’s unfulfilled promise to them in their land with the church is by definition replacement theology .Greetings Red Baker
Making the Body of Christ the bride, the Lamb's wife, comes from Replacement Theology. It's a teaching that comes out of the RCC, hence why it's referred to as the "Holy Mother church" (i.e. feminine). There are no "her/she" pronouns in the Body of Christ, hence why we're of twain called, one new man (Ephesians 2:15), not one new woman. It's masculine, see?
Jesus Christ is our new identity. We're God's husbandry. 1 Corinthians 3:9
God's design for marriage is only to be between one man, & one woman, becoming one flesh. Polygamy goes against God's design for marriage, thus making it sinful. Moses murdered a man, king David not only slept w/ a married woman, & got her pregnant... he also murdered her husband. Would you say that murder/adultery therefore was not sinful, maybe not ideal,
but not sinful? Of course not!
"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-12
There's a huge difference between a body (masculine), & a born again nation (feminine). What's quite funny, is when you actually think about it, the BoC (masculine) wants to steal Israel's (feminine) man, spiritually speaking
In Romans 11, Paul is explaining, AND making it perfectly clear, that Israel is not cast away
They might as well throw out the 2nd Coming in their theology as well since He cones back to Jerusalem to wage war and set up His Kingdom. They twist prophecy into a theological pretzel
