7 Reasons the church does not go through the great tribulation

[civic]

Matthew 24:29-34 [ESV]

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.”​

THIS GENERATION is so quickly ignored and easily brushed aside by those that literalize the spiritual. Your hermeneutic is conveniently random in its application.

This meaning the generation in the end prior to His 2nd Coming not this as in their generation

 

[Red Baker]

@pollard

THIS GENERATION is so quickly ignored and easily brushed aside by those that literalize the spiritual. Your hermeneutic is conveniently random in its application.

See post #101

 

[atpollard]

@pollard

See post #101

Thank you for proving my point.
A “LITERALIST” interpretation of apocalyptic literature requires TWO POSTS to explain a simple phrase like “this generation”.

 

[dwight92070]

@Amos

Greeting Amos~Please provide for me ONE scripture that teaches a "secret" rapture theory, just one. I'm a Amill Idealist, and we believe that Jesus' coming is imminent, yet based upon certain biblical signs that would let us know that it is imminent. Those signs are mentioned in the NT~the Olivet discourse; 2nd Thessalonians 2; and the Revelation of Jesus Christ, that the Preterist and partial Preterist rubber Stamp FULFILLED 70 A.D.!


@dwight92070 you cannot prove that 70.a.d. even a bible doctrine, I say there's not a word in the scriptures supporting this theory, and theory it is. You and I will agree on some truths, and will disagree strongly on our understanding of the Olivet discourse; 2nd Thess 2; and Revelation.

If a child of God was on an island away from the teachings of man and all he had was the word of God, then he would NEVER come up with the 70 A.D. theory, never, since it is not in the scriptures. Any one who thinks it is, then I say prove it, bring it on.

You're not looking very closely at all. 70 A.D. is referred to many times.

Matthew 24:2 " ... Do you see all these things? (the temple buildings) Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down."
Tell me, when did this prophecy of Jesus happen? Obviously it was 70 A.D. when the Roman general Titus led the seige of Jerusalem and leveled the temple and slaughtered over 1,000,000 Jews and took thousands of them who survived as slaves for themselves and even other countries.

Luke 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near." When did this prophecy of Jesus come to pass? It was the same event, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Luke doesn't use the phrase "the abomination of desolation" as the other gospels do, but he is referring to the same event. His predominant Gentile audience did not understand the phrase "the abomination of desolation", so he literally told them what that was: "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near (that is the abomination of desolation)."

Matthew 22:7 - Here Jesus is giving the end of a parable but He is describing what He did to Jerusalem and the unbelieving Jews in 70 A.D. "But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies,(he used the Roman army) and destroyed those murderers (the Jews had murdered Jesus) and set their city on fire. (many fires were used to destroy Jerusalem and the temple)

There are more, but that should be sufficient to show you that 70 A.D. is referred to many times by Jesus Himself. He also said that "this generation shall not pass away until all these things take place." Matthew 24:34 He was speaking in about 30 A.D. and a generation is often considered to be 40 years, which means all the things in Matthew 24:1-34 happened by the end of 70 A.D. Then in verses 35-42, He appears to be speaking of His future 2nd Coming on the last day.

 

[Victoria]

Please do not hold your breath, he makes many accusations, yet as of yet posted his first post in his own words what he believes and neither has he as of yet disproved any post that I have made.

Since I do not use history to support, confirm, what I understand and teach, I cannot confirm or disagree with this, and neither do I care, since God's children live by every word of God, to the best of their powers to do so. We get our bible truths from the scriptures alone, history cannot be trusted to support any bible teachings since history is written by victors who lie. Scriptures are written by men moved by the Holy Ghost and we know His witness is faithful and true, and He cannot lie. The scriptures are more sure word of prophecy, than any eyewitness account that one may give ~ So said Peter.

You cannot disprove something interpreted figuratively, was the point I was trying to convey by including some history to debunk that method of interpretation. Scripture is meant to be interpreted literally, unless otherwise specified in the scriptures alone. You cannot test the spirits whether they are of God, or search the scriptures daily to see whether these things are so, otherwise.

We will trust only the scriptures and will not waste our time reading The Wars of the Jews by the infidel Josephus, seeking to help us understand what we are reading from God's inspired word.

I couldn't agree more, which is why we shouldn't follow the teachings of man. The scriptures emphasize this.

THE TRUTH OF THE WORD OF GOD! Not so sure it was built on Origen, but Augustine without question had the truth. His teachings of Revelation 20 is the best that I have ever seen by older writers, and even today men still teach the same truth that he did over sixteen hundred years ago.

It still does until this very hour! Latter day false prophets hate Augustine, but I see a man of God who had truth even when most did not see what he taught to be the truth. His teachings was the very reason why there was a Reformation period, that turned the world upside down and free men from the RCC/EOC strong hold they had on the world for many years. He was NOT part of the RCC that they try so hard to make him a part of them.

The truth of the Word of God, or the figurative interpretation of God's Word through the lens of Augustine/man? Origen was the father of that interpretation method. So if it's figurative, anyone's truth can be the truth. That's private interpretation that Peter warns of in
2 Peter 1:20, regarding prophecy specifically.

At the end of the day, it's just different hermaneutics.