7 Reasons the church does not go through the great tribulation

[DavidTree]

Christians will defiantly escape the seven-year nightmare of the Tribulation.

I believe the Bible clearly teaches that one of the coming great events in the fulfillment of prophecy concerns the Church. This is the personal, bodily return of the Lord in the air to remove His waiting Church from the earth and to reward them according to their works. This will take place before the Tribulation period during which time the judgments of God will be poured out upon the unbelieving world.

I believe there are a lot of Scriptures to support the imminent return of Christ for His Church prior to the Tribulation than during or after it: 1 Thessalonians 4:13– 18; 2 Thessalonians 2:8–12; 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:9.

Correction: The Church/Body of Christ/His Bride will escape God's Wrath = 1 Thess 1:10 & 1 Thess 5:9

There will be no bodily removal of the Church until AFTER His 2nd Coming and the Resurrection.

Genesis, OT Prophets, GOSPEL, 1 Thess 4:13-18, Revelation

1 Thess 4:13-18
But I do not want you(Angelo) to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you(@Angelo @civic) by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain
until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that, we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.

GOSPEL - Matthew 13:36-43
Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear! = @Angelo @civic @Amos

Revelation 6:9-11
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

@Angelo, God does not want you to remain in ignorance of His words of Truth = believe the Truth and it will set you FREE

@civic, you previously said that the angels have nothing to do with the 2nd Coming = JESUS Says otherwise

 

[Selah]

Do I have a name or an identifiable ID for the anti-christ such as "The Pope" of which some of you that I know to be so....NO

But I personally believe the anti-Christ will be Jewish... and we shall know who , or what, once the 3rd temple is completed.

The AC is Lucifer (i.e. Satan).

Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV) 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

s e l a h

 

[FreeInChrist]

Christians will defiantly escape the seven-year nightmare of the Tribulation.

I believe the Bible clearly teaches that one of the coming great events in the fulfillment of prophecy concerns the Church. This is the personal, bodily return of the Lord in the air to remove His waiting Church from the earth and to reward them according to their works. This will take place before the Tribulation period during which time the judgments of God will be poured out upon the unbelieving world.

I believe there are a lot of Scriptures to support the imminent return of Christ for His Church prior to the Tribulation than during or after it: 1 Thessalonians 4:13– 18; 2 Thessalonians 2:8–12; 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:9.

Can you explain who these are?

22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

At the 3 1/2 year point?

 

[atpollard]

Reason #8: There is no LITERAL “Great Tribulation”

The Great Tribulation is a metaphorical events (just like the dragon sweeping the stars from the sky or angels pouring cups of wrath). The spiritual reality is literal (Christians endure tribulations personal and collective, great and small).

 

[FreeInChrist]

The AC is Lucifer (i.e. Satan).

Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV) 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

s e l a h

Which is certain that he will be posing under the Jewish Faith. He will not be the Pope.

Ask 50 men on the street and they will say the anti-Christ will come under the banner of a Christian....

But that will not be the case... Lucifer AKA Helel (The Hebrew word for "Lucifer" is הֵילֵל (Helel), which means "morning star" or "shining one.")

He wanted to be God, He wanted to rise above God, He started against Gon on earth with Adam and he controlled too much against God's chosen over the years. He will finish his quest against God but not through .

There were 12 apostles who were claimed to be Jewish, even with their Greek names... Most of the apostles faced violent and torturous deaths. Notably, Peter was crucified upside down, Andrew was tied to an X-shaped cross, and James was beheaded, among others who suffered brutal fates for their faith.

This waws not by accident it was prchestrated by no other then Satan.

So, while you say the anti-Christ is The AC is Lucifer (i.e. Satan). Do you think anyone on here does not know that?

I do not.

They are trying to pinpoint specifically who Satan will be when the time comes. And I say someone Jewish for that was God's preferred from day one and only by being one in the rebuilt temple will the anti-Christ be able to deceive not only God's chosen but also those of us who have our unwavering faith in Jesus.

 

[Red Baker]

The beast of Revelation....

The beast is a body of people with spirit of antichrist. The beast is simply a body Satan personified, a spiritual kingdom, just like the True Christians is the body of Christ representing His kingdom on Earth.

The woman is the kingdom of God on Earth since the fall of man, first the nation Israel representing the kingdom in the Old testament, and then the Church representing the kingdom in the New Testament. Therefore, the woman in Revelation 17 and 18 focuses on New testament congregation, the church, the home of Two Witnesses. RCC is just part of it, she is not the only whore in Mystery Babylon.

There were always a spiritual war between the body of Christ (first the Jews, then the Gentiles) and the body of Satan (professed believers within the congregation and the unsaved world). In the Old Testament, the Serpent is Satan, the ruler of Kingdom of darkness through the unsaved people/believers (body of the beast) who fought against true believers of Israel until one of beast's seven heads was fatally wounded by Christ at the Cross. This means Satan's authority was taken away. But at the same time the Old Testament congregation also fell when the people of the Prince, the Jews, had Christ be cut off. Therefore, the kingdom representative was taken away from Old testament congregation, Israel, when the temple of the body was destroyed by the Jews, John 2:18-21. However, in three days, like Christ prophesied, He would rebuilt the temple in 3 days. That was when the New Testament congregation has begun her great commission with a kingdom representative for God's Kingdom on Earth. The representation of the woman was simply transferred from the Old Testament Congregation to the New Testament congregation where she fled to the wilderness (world) with Gospel for 1,260 symbolical days as long as the church is saving people for the kingdom, Revelation 12:6. So the CHURCH IS in Revelation in spite of what some may think and say.

Christ has defeated Satan at the Cross and cast the beast (Satan) into the bottomless pit which symbolically means that his power to deceive the nations had been restricted (Revelation 20). That is why God had to bound Satan so that that salvation is possible for the world through His Church UNTIL all people He intent to save have been saved. And ONLY then, Satan will come out of bottomless pit to deceive the nation once again.

Now, we are talking about the beast in the New Testament, today. When it comes out of bottomless pit, they will receive power from Satan (that God allowed) so they can wage a massive spiritual war against God's Saints in the congregation where they will be able to overcome our testimony and silenced us (spiritually killed us). They will replaced the True Gospel with their own satanic gospel that appease the professed Christians to the point that they refuse to repent of their sins, tolerates homosexualities, etc. right in the HOUSE of GOD! For example, the ministry and doctrines of Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Joseph Prince, and thousands more could be named, etc. This is the House of God WHERE the abomination of desolation be set up where it is ought not. The church is supposed to have Christ and His Laws therein but they replaced it with their abominations. To the point of desolate of the church. Selah.

Now, with the Two Witnesses (the church, Jews and Gentiles) being silenced in the church, the professed christians rejoice because there is no longer a resistance from the Truth that I believe they are wondering after the beast (false prophets and christs) with power (false gospels) that dragon gave, Revelation 13:4-5. With Two Witnesses no longer the rulers of the church, this is when the false prophets and christs (ten horns) started to have one mind with the beast (Satan) by agree to sell the false gospels of Satan into the audience of their congregations on top of wordly band, entertainments, etc. where they will start to buy whatever that comes out of their mouths and receive the MARK (ownership) of the beast! In other words, ALL men, women, and children in the church who have not yet sealed by God (Revelation 9) will be deceived and hand over to the beast to be in spiritual bondage as a judgment for their unfaithful. In this way, they have give the kingdom (church) to the beast where he now rules.

Rev 17:12-14
(12) And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
(13) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
(14) These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

God agreed to allow their deceived hearts to give their kingdom to beast as a judgment and they do not know it! The ten horns (false prophets and christs) will hate the woman (whore) by destroy all"merchandises" that the church ONCE enjoyed with all the spiritual riches that God gave to the woman. They have make the church, once faithful representative of God's kingdom, spiritually naked, desolated, and burn with fire (judgment).


Rev 17:15-18
(15) And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
(16) And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
(17) For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
(18) And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

This is the judgment of the New Testament congregation because "God's people" (professed, corporate believers) hate the Two Witnesses, rejected their truthful testimony, and have them killed... exactly the same way Christ's own people, the unbelieving Jews, hate Him, rejected His truthful testimony and had him cut off! See? We, True Christians, is the body of Christ and the beast (body of professed christians) will come against us and kill us...mostly in spiritual sense today! This is how the new Testament congregation, the great city, FELL! But God will make sure that His True Elect will come out of her to avoid her plagues and witness the fall of the congregation.

Are we starting to witness this today? For me, I think so based on what I see and heard and read from the scriptures. When I think about it, it really grieves me that it is happening now.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Reason #8: There is no LITERAL “Great Tribulation”

The Great Tribulation is a metaphorical events (just like the dragon sweeping the stars from the sky or angels pouring cups of wrath). The spiritual reality is literal (Christians endure tribulations personal and collective, great and small).

So there is no 7 year period for Jesus to cut short?

Great then there will be no mark of the beast ..... I'm relieved.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Are we starting to witness this today? For me, I think so based on what I see and heard and read from the scriptures. When I think about it, it really grieves me that it is happening now.

I agree. I think it is underway.

You said "They will replaced the True Gospel with their own satanic gospel that appease the professed Christians to the point that they refuse to repent of their sins, tolerates homosexualities, etc. right in the HOUSE of GOD!
It started in the good old USA in the 90s. When my own church split because of the homosexual stuff there... and wanting gay pastors and gay marriages... and that was shortly on the heels of the retreat where they were reimagining God and the Goddess Sophia.

But @Red Baker Who is it that sits in the Temple in 2 Thessalonians 2:4

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Selah]

Which is certain that he will be posing under the Jewish Faith. He will not be the Pope.

Ask 50 men on the street and they will say the anti-Christ will come under the banner of a Christian....

But that will not be the case... Lucifer AKA Helel (The Hebrew word for "Lucifer" is הֵילֵל (Helel), which means "morning star" or "shining one.")

He wanted to be God, He wanted to rise above God, He started against Gon on earth with Adam and he controlled too much against God's chosen over the years. He will finish his quest against God but not through .

There were 12 apostles who were claimed to be Jewish, even with their Greek names... Most of the apostles faced violent and torturous deaths. Notably, Peter was crucified upside down, Andrew was tied to an X-shaped cross, and James was beheaded, among others who suffered brutal fates for their faith.

This waws not by accident it was prchestrated by no other then Satan.

So, while you say the anti-Christ is The AC is Lucifer (i.e. Satan). Do you think anyone on here does not know that?

I do not.

They are trying to pinpoint specifically who Satan will be when the time comes. And I say someone Jewish for that was God's preferred from day one and only by being one in the rebuilt temple will the anti-Christ be able to deceive not only God's chosen but also those of us who have our unwavering faith in Jesus.

You can’t pinpoint who Satan will be because Lucifer was never a flesh man; he was an archangel. When he comes, he will be himself; he will be supernatural. Satan is coming to earth as Jesus Christ and he will have all power to perform signs and wonders and flashy miracles in the sight of men. He will be spectacular, and most people will not recognize him as Satan but will rather believe he is truly the Messiah returned.

FYI: Satan the AC is the religious "beast" of Rev. 13 and in their ignorance, Christians all over the world will forsake the true Christ and begin to worship him. That is the great falling away, the great apostasy which occurs when the son of perdition make his appearance, i.e. is revealed.

s e l a h

 

[Selah]

So there is no 7 year period for Jesus to cut short?

Great then there will be no mark of the beast ..... I'm relieved.

Ah, but there will be a “spiritual” mark. It's Satan’s "seal" in your forehead. In other words, you are one of his. You belong to him. The “mark” is being deceived by Satan.

s e l a h

 

[atpollard]

So there is no 7 year period for Jesus to cut short?

Great then there will be no mark of the beast ..... I'm relieved.

Of course there is … it is just not a literal, physical, empirical reality … it is a symbolic, spiritual, metaphorical reality.

7 is the number of completeness. So 7 years are “as long as it takes” (which in the context of the “world” destroying the “church” is “as long as it takes for the world to destroy the church, will be cut in half by God so that His people will survive”.

The “mark of the beast” is found on the “hand” and the “forehead” as a requirement to trade in the marketplace and avoid persecution from the “world” (that hates God).

• Does that not sound a lot like a requirement to DO (hand) what the world does and to LOOK AND THINK (forehead) like the world looks and thinks if one wants to avoid being hated by the world and allowed to participate in the world?
• Does that not describe the life of most Christians? (Hide your faith, or suffer for it)?

 

[FreeInChrist]

You can’t pinpoint who Satan will be because Lucifer was never a flesh man; he was an archangel. When he comes, he will be himself; he will be supernatural. Satan is coming to earth as Jesus Christ and he will have all power to perform signs and wonders and flashy miracles in the sight of men. He will be spectacular, and most people will not recognize him as Satan but will rather believe he is truly the Messiah returned.

FYI: Satan the AC is the religious "beast" of Rev. 13 and in their ignorance, Christians all over the world will forsake the true Christ and begin to worship him. That is the great falling away, the great apostasy which occurs when the son of perdition make his appearance, i.e. is revealed.

s e l a h

So you think he will come out of the Catholic Church?

 

[FreeInChrist]

Ah, but there will be a “spiritual” mark. It's Satan’s "seal" in your forehead. In other words, you are one of his. You belong to him. The “mark” is being deceived by Satan.

s e l a h

But if there is no 7 year period, and the mark was to be at the 3 1/2 year point... what is the timing for it?

 

[Grace ambassador]

But if there is no 7 year period, and the mark was to be at the 3 1/2 year point... what is the timing for it?

Getting really Confusing here?: the "first 69 weeks" were "literal, physical, empirical reality" but
The Seventieth Week is Actually?:

"symbolic, spiritual, metaphorical reality" = any man-made-up timing = "What"??? @atpollard?

 

[Red Baker]

@Selah

You can’t pinpoint who Satan will be because Lucifer was never a flesh man; he was an archangel. When he comes, he will be himself; he will be supernatural. Satan is coming to earth as Jesus Christ and he will have all power to perform signs and wonders and flashy miracles in the sight of men. He will be spectacular, and most people will not recognize him as Satan but will rather believe he is truly the Messiah returned.

FYI: Satan the AC is the religious "beast" of Rev. 13 and in their ignorance, Christians all over the world will forsake the true Christ and begin to worship him. That is the great falling away, the great apostasy which occurs when the son of perdition make his appearance, i.e. is revealed.

@Selah, You are confused. No pun intended..... I'll be back in the morrow with some more post.

Satan is coming to earth as Jesus Christ and he will have all power to perform signs and wonders and flashy miracles in the sight of men.

This is impossible....later.

 

[civic]

Getting really Confusing here?: the "first 69 weeks" were "literal, physical, empirical reality" but
The Seventieth Week is Actually?:

"symbolic, spiritual, metaphorical reality" = any man-made-up timing = "What"??? @atpollard?

The preterists and partial ones both spiritualize most everything in prophecy along with the literal nation of Israel and all the promises never fulfilled yet in their land.

 

[Selah]

So you think he will come out of the Catholic Church?

No.