7 Reasons the church does not go through the great tribulation

[Victoria]

Please do not hold your breath, he makes many accusations, yet as of yet posted his first post in his own words what he believes and neither has he as of yet disproved any post that I have made.

Well, it's to my understanding that some in the partial preterist camp believe Nero was the Antichrist...
but given he committed suicide, he doesn't qualify.

Nero died by suicide on June 9, 68 AD

I've then been told that Titus was the actual Antichrist... but given he too died, he doesn't qualify either.
I'm now awaiting who they'll say is next.

Titus died on September 13, 81 AD

According to Revelation 19:20, they certainly wouldn't qualify... unless...
they attempt to allegorize Revelation 19:20

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

I'am waiting for the first premillennialists to prove which comes first, Christ, or the man of sin. According to their teachings Christ comes first.

But they do not even know who is the man of sin/antichrist/abomination of desolation. Anyone?

The man of sin cannot be revealed yet while the Body of Christ is still on the earth. The apostle Paul was given the revelation of the mystery... yes, even the Body of Christ is part of that mystery...

"Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." Acts 3:21

Prophecy was made known since the world began. Nothing prophesied was ever kept secret.
The mystery, on the other hand, was kept hid in God...

"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God," Ephesians 3:9-10

"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."
1 Corinthians 2:7-8

"And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;... And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it." Colossians 2:13; 15

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."
2 Thessalonians 2:7

Who's "he?" Since we're members of Christs' body, Jesus is speaking of the Body of Christ. There's a mystery of iniquity, & there's a mystery of godliness.

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16

Satan hates the fact that the Body of Christ will replace him, & his angels in the heavens. God never revealed before the cross how He'd reconcile the heavens back unto Himself, kept that hidden from Satan b/c of his "I" statements in Isaiah 14:13-15. In the book of Job, God says...

"Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight." Job 15:15

So the way Satan sees it, since God never makes mention of creating any new angels, he felt at least his position in the heavens was secure, regardless of whether Jesus Christ resurrected, or not. Then.... UH, ohhh... wha... what has he DONE!!!

You can now get an idea of why he hates Paul's ministry, the Body of Christ, & our abode being in the heavens.

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:"
Philippians 3:20

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:"
2 Corinthians 5:1-2

 

[Red Baker]

@Victoria

Well, it's to my understanding that some in the partial preterist camp believe Nero was the Antichrist...
but given he committed suicide, he doesn't qualify.

Nero died by suicide on June 9, 68 AD

I've then been told that Titus was the actual Antichrist... but given he too died, he doesn't qualify either.
I'm now awaiting who they'll say is next.

Titus died on September 13, 81 AD

Since I do not use history to support, confirm, what I understand and teach, I cannot confirm or disagree with this, and neither do I care, since God's children live by every word of God, to the best of their powers to do so. We get our bible truths from the scriptures alone, history cannot be trusted to support any bible teachings since history is written by victors who lie. Scriptures are written by men moved by the Holy Ghost and we know His witness is faithful and true, and He cannot lie. The scriptures are more sure word of prophecy, than any eyewitness account that one may give ~ So said Peter.

2nd Peter 1:19-21​

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

We will trust only the scriptures and will not waste our time reading The Wars of the Jews by the infidel Josephus, seeking to help us understand what we are reading from God's inspired word.

According to Revelation 19:20, they certainly wouldn't qualify... unless...
they attempt to allegorize Revelation 19:20

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

We will address these scriptures when we come to them, maybe later today, when we will consider the mark of the beast.

The man of sin cannot be revealed yet while the Body of Christ is still on the earth. The apostle Paul was given the revelation of the mystery... yes, even the Body of Christ is part of that mystery...

Highlighted word are done by me for discussion.

Well @Victoria you are boldly going against the apostle Paul, who said let no man deceive you by any means, basically the very same warning that the Lord Jesus gave when he begun his Olivet discourse that we shall consider in-depth very soon, the Lord willing, and I trust that he is.

2nd Thessalonians 2:3​

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

Victoria, please consider and respond back to me the following points.

1)Paul said these words: "for that day shall not come:....what day is Paul referring to? Very simple to answer.

2nd Thessalonians 2:1​

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,”

THAT DAY, is the Lord's second and only coming for his elect, and for you to say the man of sin cannot be revealed is for you to boldly goes against the word of God! To all of the saints reading this: let no man deceive you by any means! The man of sin must come first, but wait, listen carefully to Paul there's much more to hear.

2nd Thessalonians 2:7​

“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.”

The mystery of iniquity or, the spirit of an antichrist has been in the world since Cain, and has work greater or less throughout this world's history, but in the last days leading up to the second coming of Jesus Christ there will be an overflowing of the mystery of iniquity in great numbers the like the world has never seen or will ever see. Consider:

1st John 2:18​

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”

The early church taught because of Daniel and Christ's Olivet discourse that the spirit of antichrist will come in GREAT NUMBERS at the end of the world, even though there have always been that mystery of iniquity in this world, yet during the tribulation period, the time of Jacob's trouble, the number of the man of sin will be great, the likes this world has never seen, except the Lord shortened those days, no flesh would be saved with the true knowledge of the word of God because of all these popular false prophets that this world will be faced with.

More on this later. You need to rethink your position for it is against the scriptures, very plainly so.

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."
2 Thessalonians 2:7

Who's "he?" Since we're members of Christs' body, Jesus is speaking of the Body of Christ. There's a mystery of iniquity, & there's a mystery of godliness.

The "He" in this verse is the Spirit of God, he has hindered the spirit of the devil until the church of Jesus Christ is finished, and then that restraint will be taken out of the way, and then this world will be flooded with false prophets, the likes this world has never seen, or will see. History repeats it self, much what will happen in the end of this world happened to Israel jus tbefoe the Babylonian captivity.

Much of what you said above has no reference to what we are discussing. Wonderful scriptures, but not pertaining to the subject under consideration.

 

[Persevering]

Those who do not believe in a pre-trib rapture over look the fact that the church is not mentioned in Revelation chapters 4–18 because the have gone to be with Jesus.

 

[Red Baker]

Augustine built on Origen’s teachings and helped establish amillennialism—the belief that the Millennium described in Revelation symbolizes the Church Age, not a future literal reign of Christ.

"The Church is the kingdom of Christ, and the millennium is the period between Christ’s resurrection and His second coming."
(City of God, Book 20)

Augustine’s interpretation dominated Western Christianity for over a thousand years.

THE TRUTH OF THE WORD OF GOD! Not so sure it was built on Origen, but Augustine without question had the truth. His teachings of Revelation 20 is the best that I have ever seen by older writers, and even today men still teach the same truth that he did over sixteen hundred years ago.

Augustine’s interpretation dominated Western Christianity for over a thousand years.

It still does until this very hour! Latter day false prophets hate Augustine, but I see a man of God who had truth even when most did not see what he taught to be the truth. His teachings was the very reason why there was a Reformation period, that turned the world upside down and free men from the RCC/EOC strong hold they had on the world for many years. He was NOT part of the RCC that they try so hard to make him a part of them.