7 Reasons the church does not go through the great tribulation

@civic

The burden of proof in on your shoulder Mr. Civic. You must prove that there is a secret coming of Christ for his church and there is a coming back with his church, you can never prove such a false teaching as that.

You believe this lie by the process of indoctrination, you have been dupe.

Prove it, you have the floor. I'll be back later, to see what you have found...I think I already know the answer!
Projecting again
 
The English phrase “caught up” translates the Greek word harpazõ, which means “to seize upon with force” or “to snatch up.” This is the Greek word from which the English word “harpoon” is derived. The Latin translators of the Bible used the word rapere, the root of the English term rapture. At the Pre-Trib Rapture living believers will be “caught up” in the air, translated into the clouds, in a moment of time.

The pre-trib rapture of the church fulfills a biblical need to not only see a distinction between the translation of Church Age saints at the rapture, before the second coming, but it also handles without difficulty the necessity of a time-gap which harmonizes a number of future biblical events.
 
There are many problems with Civic's view:
@civic

I agree, but I also agree that the preterist have major problems.
@Red Baker..... What???????????????? You think @civic is a preterist.icon_atomrofl.gif hilarious.gif

I have been on here just as long as you have and I have been in threads where he was and you were not and I never once.............

Tell you what. If you can get @civic to say he is a preterist.... and I have known many... I have known the best, as you and I both know them.... and you would heve to agree.

So if @civic is a closet preterist and you get him to confess that
I will be on my way to your town tomorrow and you can immerse me in my bathtub in my hotel room.

I never heard the likes of such a charge....
 
Rapture has nothing to do with the angels you are conflating it with His visible 2nd Comings. One He comes to earth the other He does not .

Next fallacy
GOSPEL and 1 Thess & 2nd Thess, Hebrews 9:28 , OT Prophets

Christ 2nd Coming has everything to do with:
A.) CHRIST leaving Heaven
b.) Saints leaving Heaven with Christ for their RESURRECTION
c.) AFTER the Resurrection, on earth the remaining living Saints/Elect are raptured
c.) Angels
d.) Wrath
 
@FreeInChrist
@Red Baker..... What???????????????? You think @civic is a preterist.
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Go back and look again, I was quoting what @dwight92070 had said, even if I tagged it to civic. I know what civic is a very confused person in the Premillennialism camp. The camp I once was part of when I first came to Christ, but it took me less than two to three years to see through that mess. I was taught by the very best of those in that camp, so I know their teaching inside and out, maybe better than many of them.
 
So if @civic is a closet preterist and you get him to confess that
I will be on my way to your town tomorrow and you can immerse me in my bathtub in my hotel room.
So, I guess you will not be coming down. Well, come on down I'll give you some reading classes.
 
@FreeInChrist

Go back and look again, I was quoting what @dwight92070 had said, even if I tagged it to civic. I know what civic is a very confused person in the Premillennialism camp. The camp I once was part of when I first came to Christ, but it took me less than two to three years to see through that mess. I was taught by the very best of those in that camp, so I know their teaching inside and out, maybe better than many of them.
You are very confused with eschatology and theology ( Calvinism ) .
 
A preterist, I detest that heresy
I am a partial preterist. That's a big difference from a full preterist. I believe much of Revelation has already happened. Obviously the 2nd Coming of Christ has not happened - if it had, we wouldn't be here. We would be with Him and this old world would have already been burned up.
The heresy is dispensationalism, not partial preterism.
 
I am a partial preterist. That's a big difference from a full preterist. I believe much of Revelation has already happened. Obviously the 2nd Coming of Christ has not happened - if it had, we wouldn't be here. We would be with Him and this old world would have already been burned up.
The heresy is dispensationalism, not partial preterism.
Partial is a heresy
 
Reason #3: Specific Promises to the Church Alone
You should be familiar with 1 Thessalonians 1:10 by now, so please review it.

  • Stop for a moment and consider to whom Paul is writing. Are they believers or non-believers? What do we know about the Thessalonians and their relationship to Paul? Why is he writing them?
  • In that verse, who is to “wait for His Son from heaven?”
  • What are they waiting for?
  • What will Jesus do?
Paul is speaking to a bunch of brand new believers in Thessalonica to teach them about the rapture. They are the “church” (the body of Christ) and they are waiting for the return of Jesus to deliver them from the wrath that is to come! To whom is the promise made?

Now, move on to 1 Thessalonians 5:4-9.

  • Verses 5-7 contrast two groups of people. Who are they?
  • What do you think it means to be “children of light?” Who are those people?
  • What is God’s instruction in verse 8?
  • What is His promise in verse 9?
  • To whom did God make that promise? Do you see why the promise is to the church?
In Revelation 2-3, Jesus sends personal instruction to 7 churches. One of those churches is the church at Philadelphia, (Revelation 3:7-13). In verse 10, Jesus is specific in stating, “I will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” He is speaking of that which comes in the following chapters: the tribulation.

These are clear examples of specific promises made to the church alone. This is reason #3 why the church will not go through the tribulation.

Reason #4: Jesus’s Location with His Church
Revelation 2:1 and Revelation 3:20provide perspective of where Jesus was historically in relation to His church (the body of Christ). Read those two verses to determine where Jesus has been, in relation to His church. (Hint: in Revelation 2:1, the reference to “seven golden lampstands” represents the 7 churches.)

Likewise, Jesus is talking to His disciples in Matthew 28:20, just before He ascends to heaven, and says, “Lo, I am with you always.” Prior to that, Jesus stated in Matthew 18:20that where two or more are gathered in His name (the church!), He will be in their midst. Based on those passages, with whom does Jesus dwell?

There came a time, though, when Jesus departed. Read John 14:1-3.

Now, let’s consider what the Bible says about our future during the tribulation. In Revelation 4:1 to Revelation 19, Jesus is in heaven, and according to Revelation 19:7-8:

  • Who is with Him?
  • What is the church called in that passage?
  • What is the church (body of Christ) wearing?
  • What does the fine linen represent?
  • Who are the saints?
Friends, where are we during the tribulation?
Thunderous "Pops!" #3 & #4 are hammers, you've got me, I'm going all 7!
 
The differences between general tribulation, the great tribulation and Gods wrath which is poured out in the great tribulation.

The wrath of God is a fearsome and terrifying thing. Only those who have been covered by the blood of Christ, shed for us on the cross, can be assured that God’s wrath will never fall on them. “Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through Him!” (Romans 5:9).

Here's why I believe in a pretrib rapture is the biblical model for the church

God's wrath is the Great Tribulation. Revelation 16:1 "Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.” Many will say God's wrath only comes after the tribulation which doesn't agree with scripture.

Also 1 thessalonians 5:9 says the church is not appointed to wrath. "For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ"

Revelation 3:10 “I will keep you from the hour of trial”: the hour of trial refers to the great tribulation

Luke 21:36 "Be always on the watch,and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”: This verse tells us to be watchful before the tribulation so that we may be ready to escape it. If the church was going to endure the tribulation anyway I think Jesus would tell us how to prepare and survive it without taking the mark instead of just being watchful.

Also if the church is still on the earth then they're would be no need for the two witnesses and 144,000 to boldly preach the Gospel.

I believe the tribulation is referred as Jacob's Trouble for a reason; which is unbelieving Israel otherwise it would be called the Church's Trouble.

Jeremiah 30:7
It is even the time of Jacob’s trouble;
but he will be saved out of it.

Daniel 12:1
“At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

Since many believe Jesus bore Gods wrath ( a heresy ) then for the church to suffer Gods wrath and go through it during the ( great tribulation ) makes Jesus on the cross bearing it the first time nothing but nonsense. If He bore Gods wrath for the church on the cross , then the church cannot be under Gods wrath a 2nd time during the 7 year great tribulation

hope this helps !!!
Never thought of "double jeopardy" defense you propose, compelling...for sure.
 
Partial is a heresy
A heresy has to do with denying essential doctrines. Partial preterism denies no essential doctrines. 1. Dispensationalism teaches that the teaching of Jesus is NOT for the church today, but it's for the Jews during the Millennium. That's heresy. 2. They teach that the Jews will build another temple and will return to offering animal sacrifices and that Jesus, sitting on His throne in Jerusalem, will actually endorse these sacrifices, even though His sacrifice of His body and blood is sufficient for all mankind and for all time. That's heresy. 3. They teach that the Jews and the Church will be separated for all eternity - the Jews will be God's eternal earthly people and the Church will be God's eternal heavenly people. That's heresy, since Jesus tore down the dividing wall between believing Jews and believing Gentiles. 4. They also teach that each of the seven dispensations has a different requirement for salvation. That's heresy. Men have always been saved by grace through faith.

Now it's your turn, please show all of us which partial preterist teaching is heresy - just as I have shown everyone what is heretical in dispensationalism. If you are unable or unwilling to do that, then your claim that partial preterism is heresy is false.

Next fallacy.
 
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