civic
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good luck since mine is the biblical one and you are projecting once again.
and AI won't help you get out of this one
Yes, Calvinists—free will IS in the Bible.
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and AI won't help you get out of this one
praise_yeshua
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I've heard IFBs say that my entire life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Why do YOU say that dead people can't hear when Jesus said they could?
I mean..... I can read just fine. I even can read your idol in the KJV. I see Jesus saying dead people can hear. You insist they can't. Yet, you believe you did.
Which is it. You can't have BOTH. To claim such is to be dishonest.
brightfame52
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Thats Christ regenerating one
I do not trust AL, I use the Holy Ghost's testimony...Al is basically information from men like you who use google and all AL does is gather them together and the most popular one that rules the roost is the one that Al puts forth as truth.and AI won't help you get out of this one
You ought to try my method, wise men do!
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civic
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I Always use Scripture but I don’t blame the HS for false teaching and misguiding
Romans 10:5
“For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.”“For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law"
In contrast to God making the elect righteousness by Jesus Christ, Moses put the burden on them. Moses was no friend of sinners, for his legalist means of justification left honest sinners hopeless. The issue here is justification – how can a sinner stand before a holy and just God and be accepted. Righteousness acceptable to God to declare a sinner justified required continual, perfect obedience, which no man is able to do, not even for a minute, for sin is mixed with our very best efforts in pleasing God. We live in a body of sin and death.
"That the man which doeth those things shall live by them"
The quotation is from Leviticus 18:5, “Which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.” Nehemiah confirmed the words to Israel, “Which if a man do, he shall live in them” (Nehemiah 9:29). Ezekiel confirmed these words, “Which if a man do, he shall even live in them” (Ezekiel 20:11,13). Jesus said the same to a man, “If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). Paul confirmed the same elsewhere, “The man that doeth them shall live in them” (Galatians 3:12).
Justification under Moses’ Law was "do" and live, depending on the sinner’s ability for perfection. It was based on the sinner’s performance ~ your performance ~ to be righteous before God. If you did all Moses’ Law required, then you would be justified before God and go to heaven. If you did not keep his Law perfectly, then you would be condemned by God to the lake of fire. Moses’ Law was hopeless; no man could keep its terms, and God intended it so (Galatians 3:10,21-22). If you kept the whole law, guilt in one point brought the law’s entire condemnation (James 2:10). Perfect obedience was the necessary requirement for eternal life, but no man could ever do it. Moses’ Law had never been intended to give life, but rather to drive to the elect totally to trust in Christ's work of redemption. (Galatians 3:21-29).
Justification through Jesus Christ is free by His redemption, obtaining perfection as a result of it, which secured eternal life for his seed. It is based on Jesus Christ’s performance alone, who by himself fully finished His work and declared it done! The doctrine of representation is the plainest lesson of legal justification ~ by One (Romans 5:15-19)! But even before Jesus died, God viewed the elect in Christ for eternal justification (Ephesians 1:3-6). Paul will summarize the gospel, which is infinitely easier, by using Moses’ words (Deut 30:11-14).
Romans 10:6
“But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above”Later....
praise_yeshua
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@civic 30 plus years debating these topics and Calvinists always do the same things over and over again. Bloviating nonsense while ignoring any and all relative questions. Same ole same ole.
praise_yeshua
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One thing you will get from an AI that you can't often get from human beings is reason. Most of them will even admit when they are wrong.
praise_yeshua
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Just so everyone is aware. This comes from this page.....
Romans - Chapter 10
Romans - Chapter 10 Preparatory reading and study: Romans 4; Romans 5; Romans 9; Galatians 3; Abraham’s timeline with notes. Simple Outline: 10:1-4 Desire for conversion of elect Israel to gospel assurance. 10:5 Statement of basis for justification under Moses’ Law. 10:6-9 Statement of basis
letgodbetrue.com
It is basically a reordered summary of the content published here. Maybe it is original, maybe it isn't.
I do believe it is dishonest to post such things as being your own when it came from another. It is difficult to deal with subjects like this when someone isn't actually producing their own content. The author should be the one defending their position.
civic
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Yes I figured it wasn’t his material , thanks .Just so everyone is aware. This comes from this page.....
Romans - Chapter 10
Romans - Chapter 10 Preparatory reading and study: Romans 4; Romans 5; Romans 9; Galatians 3; Abraham’s timeline with notes. Simple Outline: 10:1-4 Desire for conversion of elect Israel to gospel assurance. 10:5 Statement of basis for justification under Moses’ Law. 10:6-9 Statement of basis
It is basically a reordered summary of the content published here. Maybe it is original, maybe it isn't.
I do believe it is dishonest to post such things as being your own when it came from another. It is difficult to deal with subjects like this when someone isn't actually producing their own content. The author should be the one defending their position.
They would of banned us on the old forum for that in a heartbeat
I have been part of this group for years, and have contributed to some of what is taught on this site. Some of my sermons could be found here also. Allow me to finish and all credit will be given where I quoted from~I did mixed some of my thoughts, and omitted some things, I also got permission to do as it seem proper to do. We have been friend for almost forty years. If it is in error then prove it wrong, and then all rebuttal will be on me and I'm more than prepared to answer.
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praise_yeshua
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As always. Not dealing with the issue at all.
Is the content you copied/pasted your own? I figured you were part of them.
Darrell at www.stufffundieslike.com has had a profile on this group for a very long time. Even though he has moved on to other things, his website is still around.
I'll leave it at that. Either way, you're not really putting effort into this at all. Just copy paste content from others. I don't know why you want to pretend you're actually engaging on this.
Either way, I've said all I'm going to say to you. I don't know the times I've been right here with many of you. It is so frustrating when someone does things like this. I see it as nothing more than pretense.
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civic
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I was just pointing out the forum most of us were on and some still are active there. We don’t run things like they did .
praise_yeshua
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Thank God. I wouldn't last a day otherwise.I was just pointing out the forum most of us were on and some still are active there. We don’t run things like they did .
I understand, the next verse verses I will totally do myself, which most likely will be close to Jonathan's. ~ he used many different men of the past which is acceptable to do, afterall, truth is truth regardless who speaks it.
You do not understand the dead man phrase
Look at the parable of the lost son
Luke 15:11–24 (LEB) — 11 And he said, “A certain man had two sons. 12 And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the property that is coming to me.’ So he divided his assets between them. 13 And after not many days, the younger son gathered everything and went on a journey to a distant country, and there he squandered his wealth by living wastefully. 14 And after he had spent everything, there was a severe famine throughout that country, and he began to be in need. 15 And he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to tend pigs. 16 And he was longing to fill his stomach with the carob pods that the pigs were eating, and no one was giving anything to him. 17 “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired workers have an abundance of food, and I am dying here from hunger! 18 I will set out and go to my father and will say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight! 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son! Make me like one of your hired workers.’ 20 And he set out and came to his own father. But while he was still a long way away, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 And his son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight! I am no longer worthy to be called your son!’ 22 But his father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet! 23 And bring the fattened calf—kill it and let us eat and celebrate, 24 because this son of mine was dead, and is alive again! He was lost and is found!’ And they began to celebrate.
The son was dead that is relationally separated from his Father
That is the biblical spiritual deadness
The son became alive to the Father having returned to him
and concerning ability
Romans 10:5–9 (LEB) — 5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is from the law: “The person who does this will live by it.” 6 But the righteousness from faith speaks like this: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or “Who will descend into the abyss?” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim), 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Scripture confirms (The word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart”)
And concerning John 5:24
John 5:24–25 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 “Truly, truly I say to you, that an hour is coming—and now is here—when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and the ones who hear will live.
You ignored the comments of the greek scholar
and failed to understand the relationship between passing from death to life and not coming into condemnation
Passing from death to life precedes condemnation.
and you ignored the following verse
John 5:24–25 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 “Truly, truly I say to you, that an hour is coming—and now is here—when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and the ones who hear will live.
The spiritually dead hear and live
Those who hear and believe shall live.
No, that is not my belief.
Why do you present such a misrepresentation?
I have noted men must believe just as scripture states.
And I have never stated anyone must be perfect.
Truth
Um from the context of the verse
John 3:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Seems to indicate a condemnation that already exists.
While you have a theology where some of these unbelievers are blessed.
And so it is in such theology.faith doesn't matter in his system, neither does the gospel. one is saved without having faith or hearing and obeying the call of the gospel.
its anti-biblical
its anti-christ
anti-truth
anti-gospel
and many other anti's too.
brightfame52
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Just let everyone know the source, when I see something that may be conducive to making a point or argument, I use it and let the readers know the source. After all finding good material still takes time and effort and work.
brightfame52
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Yes false
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