Wrath or Justification?

[Diserner]

except God

God didn't do that.

Yes, he did.

That's what Jesus did to save your wicked, evil soul—he bore the punishment of your sins:

5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors. (Isa. 53:4-12 NKJ)


20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." (Gal. 2:20-21 NKJ)

 

[e v e]

Yes, he did.

That's what Jesus did to save your wicked, evil soul—he bore the punishment of your sins:

5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors. (Isa. 53:4-12 NKJ)


20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." (Gal. 2:20-21 NKJ)

stop listening to esau is my only advice...

 

[e v e]

getting off on the satan's murder of Christ
is but agreeing with all their torture...
of Christ and us.

 

[e v e]

yes Christ volunteered
and died to free us and to pay our price from
those extortioners and vampires

 

[e v e]

but it's the satanic evil realm
who tortured and murdered Him

 

[e v e]

God hates the sons of ammon and esau..

they are the rapists and murderers
who plotted eden to fall
and constantly hurt us
and twist theology.

 

[Aeliana]

If you've been Justified there's no need to worry about any Wrath unless you leave the toilet seat up.

knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. Galatians 2:16-17

What Does the Bible Say About Justification?

Bible verses about Justification

www.openbible.info

 

[civic]

Do you think God is with a condemned sinner on a cross?
Do you think God is in a condemned sinner on a cross?
Do you think a condemned sinner gives up-entrusts his spirit to God upon death?

No, a condemned sinner does not entrust his spirit to God, nor does God act the way towards a condemned sinner as He did His innocent Son.

A condemned sinner dying on a cross deserves God's anger.

Our Lord dying on a cross to save you doesn't deserve God's anger but His love and honor for obeying His will.

"Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous." (Rom 5:18-19)

You are saved by God's mercy.
You are not saved by God's wrath.

God Bless

@dizerner ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, he did.

That's what Jesus did to save your wicked, evil soul—he bore the punishment of your sins:

5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors. (Isa. 53:4-12 NKJ)


20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." (Gal. 2:20-21 NKJ)

"Pleased" is a difficult choice of words here.

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

God saw it necessary to experience our frailty. Ultimately leading to death. God Himself, in the Son, "tasting" death for humanity.

The death of Christ is a difficult subject. I can't help but see a portion of wrath associated with the suffering death that Christ experienced. Christ literally experienced separation in the process. Which is something theologically I can not properly quantify. However, I would never consider this a difficult task of Jesus Christ wherein the outcome could never be questioned. There are problems on both sides of theses choices.

This I know. We shouldn't consider the Atonement as being difficult for Christ to accomplish and we shouldn't downplay the suffering that Christ experienced.

 

[civic]

"Pleased" is a difficult choice of words here.

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

God saw it necessary to experience our frailty. Ultimately leading to death. God Himself, in the Son, "tasting" death for humanity.

The death of Christ is a difficult subject. I can't help but see a portion of wrath associated with the suffering death that Christ experienced. Christ literally experienced separation in the process. Which is something theologically I can not properly quantify. However, I would never consider this a difficult task of Jesus Christ wherein the outcome could never be questioned. There are problems on both sides of theses choices.

This I know. We shouldn't consider the Atonement as being difficult for Christ to accomplish and we shouldn't downplay the suffering that Christ experienced.

Yes and His suffering was done by the hands of wicked men as stated in several passages and not by the Father. His suffering and pain was horrific but He did it willingly to make atonement for sin and reconcilation with God a possibility for all by faith in Him.