"Works Salvation"

[Eternally-Grateful]

2 Tim 3 16 does not sola scriptura or anything remotely similar.
Protestants always twist scripture to pretend it means what they say,
Which is why all of you disageee with each other on all the essentials.
indeed you can’t even agree on what is essential!

The false doctrine of sola scriptura is why the rest of your theology is your problem which contradicts what Jesus taught.
The faith handed down.

Now study the early church, find the truth instead . Which is catholic.
Find the mechanisms Jesus gave to resolve disputes . The apostolic succession can bind and loose.

Even your New Testif the inspired word of God is not our soul authority

we are bound to listen to men..

ament is a product of the power of the Catholic Church to bind and loose.

No

It is the power of God to bind and lose.. through his people

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You have clearly never studied the early church of the apostles.
Study it.
All your assumptions are false.
And as you confirm 2 Tim says nothing about sola scriptura,
Indeed scripture identifies sources of truth outside itself.
So sola scriptura is neither historically, scripturally or logically true,

It is also why all Protestabts disagree with each other on all the basics .
Calvin didn’t agree with luther or Zwingli.
Calvinists do not believe what calvin did , Lutherans do not agree with Luther!
So sola scriptura doesn’t work. To quote Luther in despair of the monster he created he said “ every milkmaid now has their own doctrine”

The problem is if you only have tge words of scripture not the meaning you do not have the word of God.

Catholics believe the true church comprising scripture, and meaning provide by authority of councils and tradition handed down from the first.

Protestants only believe in their own arrogance combined with scripture, and schism if anyone disagrees,

Yet they are told not to “ lean on their own understanding” by scripture but to listen to those who were “sent”.
You don’t.

Here is an example of tradition, the faith handed down.
eg what John meant when he echoed Jesus words in John 6 , we know because he passed it to his disciples in succession.
So read ignatius to smyrneans who tells you what John taught him. The first generation of succession
A Eucharist of the real flesh valid only if presided by bishop in succession .
So that is what John 6 means.
And as Paul says “ stay true to what we taught you by word of mouth and letter”

Without tradition and authority you only have words , not the word of God

Catholics have the true faith, handed down from the start, as traditon , with the sources of authority Jesus gav3 to bind and loose. As Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church.

For the first time, study the early church and what it believed. You clearly don’t know.

better yet. study the bible. stop listening to men/. this is a recommendations to everyone. catholic. calvinist or whoever.

eternity is to long to put our hope in men.

 

[FreeInChrist]

You have clearly never studied the early church of the apostles.
Study it.
All your assumptions are false.
And as you confirm 2 Tim says nothing about sola scriptura,
Indeed scripture identifies sources of truth outside itself.
So sola scriptura is neither historically, scripturally or logically true,

It is also why all Protestabts disagree with each other on all the basics .

What ARE you talking about.

I lived for nearly 50 years in the midst of a "Catholic" family and they all disagreed. Each parish in the local diocese is not unified within what it teaches... except for 2 things. The first is the elements in the Holy Eucharest actually turn to blood and flesh as consumed... and the perpetual virginity of Mary. Not only do I say poor Joseph, but also poo Mary.

If you want to know the why for the disagreements... which also affect the Jews of the world... I suggest a truly in-depth study
of Genesis 11: 5-9 and just maybe you will understand the why.

Calvin didn’t agree with luther or Zwingli.
Calvinists do not believe what calvin did , Lutherans do not agree with Luther!
So sola scriptura doesn’t work. To quote Luther in despair of the monster he created he said “ every milkmaid now has their own doctrine”

The problem is if you only have tge words of scripture not the meaning you do not have the word of God.

Catholics believe the true church comprising scripture, and meaning provide by authority of councils and tradition handed down from the first.

Protestants only believe in their own arrogance combined with scripture, and schism if anyone disagrees,

Yet they are told not to “ lean on their own understanding” by scripture but to listen to those who were “sent”.
You don’t.

Here is an example of tradition, the faith handed down.
eg what John meant when he echoed Jesus words in John 6 , we know because he passed it to his disciples in succession.
So read ignatius to smyrneans who tells you what John taught him. The first generation of succession
A Eucharist of the real flesh valid only if presided by bishop in succession .
So that is what John 6 means.
And as Paul says “ stay true to what we taught you by word of mouth and letter”

Without tradition and authority you only have words , not the word of God

Catholics have the true faith, handed down from the start, as traditon , with the sources of authority Jesus gav3 to bind and loose. As Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church.

For the first time, study the early church and what it believed. You clearly don’t know.

 

[Doug Brents]

Catholics believe the true church comprising scripture, and meaning provide by authority of councils and tradition handed down from the first.

So your are saying truth comes through councils and traditions?
That is exactly what the Pharisees believed. They had their traditions and ideas formulated through the Sanhedrin, but Jesus said they were a brood of vipers. That their traditions were nothing but man's doctrines. I say the catholic cult's priesthood is nothing more than the Pharisees' continued propagation.

Yet they are told not to “ lean on their own understanding” by scripture but to listen to those who were “sent”.
You don’t.

I do. But I know that the catholic priesthood is not among those who were sent. They blatantly violate direct instructions from God about who leads the Church, and what titles and offices they are allowed to take. They are NOT to be listened to.

Without tradition and authority you only have words , not the word of God

When tradition and "authority" contradict the Word of God, then you only have words; man's words.

Catholics have the true faith, handed down from the start, as traditon , with the sources of authority Jesus gav3 to bind and loose. As Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church.

For the first time, study the early church and what it believed. You clearly don’t know.

I have studied the early Church, and it wasn't "catholic", there were no popes, no "fathers", no cardinals, none of the catholic cult's traditions. Those are a perversion of the early Church. The pope holds no authority over the Church, nor do any of those in the catholic "priesthood". They are sinful men who play at being God's messengers. I pray that they, and you, turn from your wicked ways and come to true understanding of God.

 

[mikepec]

better yet. study the bible. stop listening to men/. this is a recommendations to everyone. catholic. calvinist or whoever.

eternity is to long to put our hope in men.

You should start listening to Jesus and those to whom he handed the true faith on.

The Bible does not stand alone , it has a true meaning handed down by tradition and authority of the succession.

listen to those who were SENT, don’t lean on your own understanding, and take disputes on meaning to those Jesus appointed, the PILLAR OF TRUTH the physical church , given the power to “bind and loose” the true faith.

The reformationists severed the Bible from its true meaning and substituted the authority and tradition handed down with a myriad of conflicting personal opinions , it’s why they all disagree.

So all Protestants believe in different doctrines on every fundamental issue, and schism to form endless new churches in their own image not Gods. All are convinced they follow scripture while they have opposite meanings for it!

Protestants no longer have the word of God, they only have words.

Protestant man made traditions handed on as confessions or Calvin’s Tulip. . We know they were manmade we know who wrote them. Cranmer and his “ confession”.

Tradition is paradosis, handed down from the start, to which Paul tells you to stay true.

We know the Eucharist is the real flesh of Jesus valid only when presided by bishop in succession because that was what was handed down from the first , by those disciples of John and onwards from those appointed.
We know what they believed and did, and what John taught them because of their writings.

Protestants don’t get to choose what John 6 meant. Jesus true church handed it on from the beginning .

No protestant church has a true Eucharist because they have no bishop in succession.
That means they profane the true Eucharist which as Paul and the generations following him say can be fatal even.

 

[FreeInChrist]

You should start listening to Jesus and those to whom he handed the true faith on.

Pope Francis disagreed with this when he declared that a personal relation ship with Jesus was dangerous. And his very actions showed he did not himself cultivate such a relationship ...WHICH ONLY LEADS TO UNDERSTANDING as we listen and learn when he asked all watching to pray to Mary for his healing.... in stead of the Great Healer, Jesus... who is often referred to as the Great Healer due to his many acts of healing in the Gospels, where he healed the sick and performed miracles. This title reflects his role in both physical and spiritual healing for those who believe in him. So you now know where the faith of the head of that church really was. For that one was not handed the true faith for much of his time as the Holy See.

The Bible does not stand alone , it has a true meaning handed down by tradition and authority of the succession.

I dont even know where to start in this statement.... but I can assure you that the 4 corners of the Holy Scriptures are the authoritative and inspired writings of God, words of none other then our Father who sits in heaven.

With true meaning handed down by tradition and authority of the succession?

What does this mean????

The Holy Scriptures were written under inspiration from God on high. tradition and authority of the succession???
This is exactly why God has seen to it that there is no consensus among us.
How dangerous we would be if there was when we cannot even agree on a simple scripture meaning.

He destroyed the Tower of Babel and scattered the people for less then what we have done. Dont forget it.

listen to those who were SENT, don’t lean on your own understanding, and take disputes on meaning to those Jesus appointed, the PILLAR OF TRUTH the physical church , given the power to “bind and loose” the true faith.

The reformationists severed the Bible from its true meaning and substituted the authority and tradition handed down with a myriad of conflicting personal opinions , it’s why they all disagree.

So all Protestants believe in different doctrines on every fundamental issue, and schism to form endless new churches in their own image not Gods. All are convinced they follow scripture while they have opposite meanings for it!

Protestants no longer have the word of God, they only have words.

Protestant man made traditions handed on as confessions or Calvin’s Tulip. . We know they were manmade we know who wrote them. Cranmer and his “ confession”.

Tradition is paradosis, handed down from the start, to which Paul tells you to stay true.

We know the Eucharist is the real flesh of Jesus valid only when presided by bishop in succession because that was what was handed down from the first , by those disciples of John and onwards from those appointed.
We know what they believed and did, and what John taught them because of their writings.

Protestants don’t get to choose what John 6 meant. Jesus true church handed it on from the beginning .

No protestant church has a true Eucharist because they have no bishop in succession.
That means they profane the true Eucharist which as Paul and the generations following him say can be fatal even.

They have men who actually are called by God. Not pedophiles , child molesters, and even fornicators within the church who wear the collar of a priest, that as far as the top in Rome hides away rather the exposes.

How much more profaning of the Eucharist can there be?