Works salvation in context of a dispensation.

[Frank Russell]

Actually believers are slaves of Christ.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1401: δοῦλος

δοῦλος, δούλη, δοῦλον (derived by most from δέω, to tie, bind; by some from ΔΑΛΩ, to ensnare, capture ((?) others besides; cf. Vanicek, p. 322)); serving, subject to: παρεστήσατε τά μέλη ὑμῶν δοῦλα τῇ ἀκαθαρσία, Romans 6:19. Then substantively, ἡ δούλη, a female slave, bondmaid, handmaid: τοῦ Θεοῦ, τοῦ κυρίου, one who worships God and submits to him, Acts 2:18 (from Joel 2:29 ()); Luke 1:38, 48. ὁ δοῦλος, the Sept. for עֶבֶד;
1. a slave, bondman, man of servile condition;

a. properly: opposed to ἐλεύθερος, 1 Corinthians 7:21; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:11; Revelation 6:15; Revelation 13:16; Revelation 19:18; opposed to κύριος, δεσπότης, οἰκοδεσπότης, Matthew 10:24; Matthew 13:27; Luke 12:46; John 15:15 Ephesians 6:5; Colossians 3:22; Colossians 4:1; 1 Timothy 6:1; Titus 2:9, and very often.


Acts 2:18 N-AMP
GRK: ἐπὶ τοὺς δούλους μου καὶ
NAS: EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I WILL IN THOSE
KJV: on my servants and on
INT: upon the servants of me and

Acts 4:29 N-DMP
GRK: δὸς τοῖς δούλοις σου μετὰ
NAS: and grant that Your bond-servants may speak
KJV: grant unto thy servants, that with all
INT: grant to the servants of you with

Acts 16:17 N-NMP
GRK: οἱ ἄνθρωποι δοῦλοι τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: men are bond-servants of the Most High
KJV: are the servants of the most high
INT: men servants of the God

Romans 1:1 N-NMS
GRK: ΠΑΥΛΟΣ δοῦλος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
NAS: Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus,
KJV: Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
INT: Paul servant of Jesus Christ

Romans 6:16 N-AMP
GRK: παριστάνετε ἑαυτοὺς δούλους εἰς ὑπακοήν
NAS: to someone [as] slaves for obedience,
KJV: ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
INT: you yield yourselves servants for obedience

Romans 6:16 N-NMP
GRK: εἰς ὑπακοήν δοῦλοί ἐστε ᾧ
NAS: for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom
KJV: to obey, his servants ye are to whom
INT: for obedience servants you are to him whom

Romans 6:17 N-NMP
GRK: ὅτι ἦτε δοῦλοι τῆς ἁμαρτίας
NAS: be to God that though you were slaves of sin,
KJV: that ye were the servants of sin, but
INT: that you [once] were servants of sin

Romans 6:19 Adj-ANP
GRK: μέλη ὑμῶν δοῦλα τῇ ἀκαθαρσίᾳ
NAS: your members as slaves to impurity
KJV: members servants to uncleanness
INT: members of you in bondage to uncleanness

Romans 6:19 Adj-ANP
GRK: μέλη ὑμῶν δοῦλα τῇ δικαιοσύνῃ
NAS: your members as slaves to righteousness,
KJV: members servants to righteousness
INT: members of you in bondage to righteousness

Romans 6:20 N-NMP
GRK: ὅτε γὰρ δοῦλοι ἦτε τῆς
NAS: For when you were slaves of sin,
KJV: ye were the servants of sin,
INT: when indeed servants you were

1 Corinthians 7:21 N-NMS
GRK: δοῦλος ἐκλήθης μή
NAS: Were you called while a slave? Do not worry
KJV: Art thou called [being] a servant? care
INT: servant [being] were you called not

1 Corinthians 7:22 N-NMS
GRK: κυρίῳ κληθεὶς δοῦλος ἀπελεύθερος κυρίου
NAS: in the Lord while a slave, is the Lord's
KJV: the Lord, [being] a servant, is
INT: [the] Lord having been called [being] a slave a freedman of [the] Lord

1 Corinthians 7:22 N-NMS
GRK: ἐλεύθερος κληθεὶς δοῦλός ἐστιν Χριστοῦ
NAS: while free, is Christ's slave.
KJV: is Christ's servant.
INT: free having been called a slave is of Christ

But if the son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

 

[Soyeong]

But if the son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of our own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the freedom that we have in Christ is not from God's law, but from all lawlessness, or in other words, we have the freedom from sin, not the freedom to sin.

 

[Frank Russell]

In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of our own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the freedom that we have in Christ is not from God's law, but from all lawlessness, or in other words, we have the freedom from sin, not the freedom to sin.

The freedom afforded us is to learn directly from God, and be directed by Him without any interference.

The scripture draws out two paths (possibly more) for those in the faith.

In dichotomy view, you have the called, and then you have the chosen.

In dichotomy view, you have those who overcome, and those who do not.

In a varied view, you have those who produce fruit on a varied level, one who is super productive, and one who does nothing at all with the gift given. In the varied view, those who are found faithful are given more. The super productive servant is given what the unproductive servant was given so that it can bear fruit.

The way to bear fruit is through faith.

The way to have confidence on the day of judgment is by love being made mature within us.

This fixation with the written text caters too much to the carnal mind and results in a lack of spiritual productivity.

Furthermore, in dichotomy view, there are those who are slaves in Christ, but Jesus said a slave has no permanent place in the household. However, with the adoption of sons, the rules that applied to slaves do not apply to those who are part of the family. Those who are part of the royal household have a different role than a slave so work accordingly.

In Galatians, the law is made akin to slavery, but faith is made akin to freedom.

Furthermore in James the law of Moses is illustrated as judgment without mercy, so we are encouraged to judge with mercy so that we are judged with mercy. For however you judge, the same judgment will be measured unto you.

In general, the law oriented view is so unproductive that one can smell the sulfur on the branches.

 

[Soyeong]

The freedom afforded us is to learn directly from God, and be directed by Him without any interference.

The scripture draws out two paths (possibly more) for those in the faith.

In dichotomy view, you have the called, and then you have the chosen.

In dichotomy view, you have those who overcome, and those who do not.

In a varied view, you have those who produce fruit on a varied level, one who is super productive, and one who does nothing at all with the gift given. In the varied view, those who are found faithful are given more. The super productive servant is given what the unproductive servant was given so that it can bear fruit.

The way to bear fruit is through faith.

The way to have confidence on the day of judgment is by love being made mature within us.

This fixation with the written text caters too much to the carnal mind and results in a lack of spiritual productivity.

Furthermore, in dichotomy view, there are those who are slaves in Christ, but Jesus said a slave has no permanent place in the household. However, with the adoption of sons, the rules that applied to slaves do not apply to those who are part of the family. Those who are part of the royal household have a different role than a slave so work accordingly.

I've cited many verses that show that obedience to God is the way to have faith, and I can cite many more, so do you have faith in God to guide you in how to rightly live through what He has instructed? It is contradictory to have faith in God, but not have faith in what He has instructed, and it is contradictory to bear fruit for God by refusing to have faith God's instructions for how to bear fruit. In Psalms 119:29-3-, he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law and he chose the way of faithfulness by setting God's law before him, so that is the way to learn directly from God through faith.

In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him, so it is contradictory for someone to consider themselves to be a child of Abraham while thinking that the children of Abraham have a different role than doing the same works that Abraham did.

In Galatians, the law is made akin to slavery, but faith is made akin to freedom.

If God saved the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt in order to put them under slavery to His law, then it would be for slavery that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free, so you have not correctly identified what Galatians says is akin to slavery. Again, God's law is truth and it is sin that puts us in bondage while it is the truth that sets us free.

Furthermore in James the law of Moses is illustrated as judgment without mercy, so we are encouraged to judge with mercy so that we are judged with mercy. For however you judge, the same judgment will be measured unto you.

James notably did not state that. Rather, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that justice, mercy, and faith are weightier matters of the Mosaic Law.

In general, the law oriented view is so unproductive that one can smell the sulfur on the branches.

In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so in general, your posts are in opposition to following truth, and likewise Satan is in opposition to following truth.

 

[Frank Russell]

It is contradictory to have faith in God, but not have faith in what He has instructed

I have faith in God and what He has said. However, humans are not God, and their interpretation is always wrong in one way or another. So the call to obedience seems more like the sin of covetousness to me.

 

[Frank Russell]

In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him

This was illustrating that those who were experts in the law, didn't know how to act like Abraham.

 

[Frank Russell]

you have not correctly identified what Galatians says is akin to slavery

You appear to be ignoring what scripture is saying so you can teach bondage christianity.

 

[Frank Russell]

James notably did not state that

Yes he did.

For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment. (James 2:13)

 

[Frank Russell]

In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so in general, your posts are in opposition to following truth, and likewise Satan is in opposition to following truth.

Since Jesus is the truth, it is important to follow Jesus over man's interpretation of recorded words. Even Peter was called Satan by Jesus almost immediately after being called a chip off the old block.

 

[Soyeong]

I have faith in God and what He has said. However, humans are not God, and their interpretation is always wrong in one way or another. So the call to obedience seems more like the sin of covetousness to me.

So do yo have faith in God's law to guide you in how to rightly live? Why does it sound like the sin of covetousness to you to say that followers of God should obey what God has commanded in accordance with the example that Jesus set for us to follow? Doesn't it seem absurd to you that we commit the sin of covetousness by calling for obedience to God's command against committing the sin of covetousness?

This was illustrating that those who were experts in the law, didn't know how to act like Abraham.

While it is true that the people that Jesus was speaking to were not doing the same works as Abraham, it remains also true that it is contradictory for someone to consider themselves to be a child of Abraham while thinking that the children of Abraham have a different role than doing the same works that Abraham did.

You appear to be ignoring what scripture is saying so you can teach bondage christianity.

I agree with Galatians 5:1 that it is for freedom that God sets us free, but you are ignoring that and are acting like it is for bondage that God sets us free. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is sin in transgression of God's law that puts us in bondage while it is the truth that sets us free, so I am teaching a Christianity that is free from bondage, while you are ignoring Scripture to teach bondage Christianity.

Yes he did.

For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment. (James 2:13)

There is notably nothing in that verse that has anything to do with illustrating the Mosaic Law as being judgement without mercy. A law that is not merciful can't come from a God who is merciful and it is contradictory to think that God as merciful while thinking that He gave a law that is not merciful. Again, Jesus said that mercy is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law.

Since Jesus is the truth, it is important to follow Jesus over man's interpretation of recorded words. Even Peter was called Satan by Jesus almost immediately after being called a chip off the old block.

Jesus is truth because he embodied the Mosaic Law by living in sinless obedience to it. It is contradictory to follow Jesus instead of following God's word.