Women.

[MTMattie]

@360watt , @dwight92070

I have been following everyone's conversations with @charismaticlady in the thread "Is anyone else a seer."

Not going back past the last page or so @dwight92070 reply 701 there you stated ~When a pastor, such as Jack Hayford, directly contradicts Paul's words here - and tells us that it's okay for women to teach in the assembly of believers,

Are you specifically speaking of the assembly of believers as being that of a "church congregation " when they meet for their worship sessions or of the church congregation, no matter where meeting for instruction? (ie Sunday Schools, Bible Camps, Retreats, et al?

@360watt , in the same thread, you posted reply #705 with One thing about women keeping silent in the church..is the context is about speaking out of turn and speaking in tongues....It is still saying for woman not to hold the position of pastor/bishop, and ask their hubby at home about disputations, but isn't about not speaking at all.

So what I said above you do mention church congregation meeting for worship and I cannot help but wonder it also means no woman should speak in tongues?

Funny that the idea of women in the pulpit has fallen apart within my life time.

And more so when you have the likes of Marylyn Hickey and , heaven help us all, Paula White that are in so many homes today....
And the one I cannot understand that an entire church was built around "Ellen G White"... to name a few.

IOW. Are women ok if they are not in a pulpit? And should women not participate in forums such as these?

 

[Aeliana]

@360watt , @dwight92070

I have been following everyone's conversations with @charismaticlady in the thread "Is anyone else a seer."

Not going back past the last page or so @dwight92070 reply 701 there you stated ~When a pastor, such as Jack Hayford, directly contradicts Paul's words here - and tells us that it's okay for women to teach in the assembly of believers,

Are you specifically speaking of the assembly of believers as being that of a "church congregation " when they meet for their worship sessions or of the church congregation, no matter where meeting for instruction? (ie Sunday Schools, Bible Camps, Retreats, et al?

@360watt , in the same thread, you posted reply #705 with One thing about women keeping silent in the church..is the context is about speaking out of turn and speaking in tongues....It is still saying for woman not to hold the position of pastor/bishop, and ask their hubby at home about disputations, but isn't about not speaking at all.

So what I said above you do mention church congregation meeting for worship and I cannot help but wonder it also means no woman should speak in tongues?

Funny that the idea of women in the pulpit has fallen apart within my life time.

And more so when you have the likes of Marylyn Hickey and , heaven help us all, Paula White that are in so many homes today....
And the one I cannot understand that an entire church was built around "Ellen G White"... to name a few.

IOW. Are women ok if they are not in a pulpit? And should women not participate in forums such as these?

Well if men that think and act like they are wemen can preach and teach, then real wemen should be able to . And do it better since the are not being deceived.

 

[MTMattie]

Well if men that think and act like they are wemen can preach and teach, then real wemen should be able to . And do it better since the are not being deceived.

Well, be that as it may...

8I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.11Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.12I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.13For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
—1 Timothy 2:8–14

An argument could be made that Eve was deceived by the serpent, then she deceived her husband into eating that fruit.

 

[Obadiah]

Well, be that as it may...

8I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.11Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.12I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.13For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
—1 Timothy 2:8–14

An argument could be made that Eve was deceived by the serpent, then she deceived her husband into eating that fruit.

So Adam disobeyed God intentionally.

Adam disobeyed God and caused many others to be sinners. But Jesus obeyed him and will make many people acceptable to God.
Romans 5:19

As for 1 Timothy 2:8–14

The woman was deceived, but the man was not. Eve was tricked, but Adam rebelled outright. Yes, both the man and woman sinned, but Paul drew a fine point of distinction between Adam’s sin and the sin of Eve. This distinction relates to God’s order of authority. God is the ultimate head over Adam. As the head of his wife and family, Adam was spiritually responsible to God for them. But Adam rejected God’s order. He gave heed to his wife instead of obeying God and brought sin and death into the world (Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:21–22). God’s ideal design for order and authority was completely upended. Ever since the fall, this violation has spread throughout all society. But the Bible calls believers to honor God’s pattern for order and authority in the church.
They can still teach. Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women.

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