GeneZ
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I see.... God created sin.
That's what you are saying.
WHO ARE THE HEBREWS?
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That's what you are saying.
GeneZ
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jeremiah1five
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That's what I believe Scriptures teach. And I am not wrong. Sin comes from sinner as wickedness comes from the wicked (1 Sam. 24:13.)
jeremiah1five
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They have. But I don't talk out the side of my neck. I have Scripture and reason (Isaiah 118.)
e v e
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The question was?
.... Where did this flesh body come from?
Your answer?
That is not where the flesh body came from...
For Adam had a flesh body before he became fallen.
His flesh was not fallen until he ate the forbidden fruit.
Before he ate?
It still was a flesh body.
the body in eden is not the current type.
corrupt text.
e v e
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e v e
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'reason' is the fallen mind.
GeneZ
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How is this a corrupt text?
Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” Genesis 2:23
GeneZ
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So did Satan in the temptation of Christ...
e v e
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God did not take female out of male.
He made them together. That 'separating' was not by God.
e v e
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He gave His spirit to adam, - as eve. For ruach is feminine.
compare pentecost.
adam handed over that dominion to the demon nations (allowed them to speak her!) satan talked to her after adam left her unprotected.
adam feeling lonely = already sinned.
God's creation He declared Good and adam lonely? Rubbish.
masculine = speech. feminine = word.
GeneZ
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I don't want your generalized opinion...
I want Scripture to back up what you claim.
Where did God make them together?????
GeneZ
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Woman.... You sound like you are babbling. You need to give Scripture, not your blathering of what you simply imagine it to be.
e v e
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The image of Him is male and female. One image.
e v e
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please read carefully. it's not blather.
GeneZ
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Start giving chapter and verse and do not make me assume,. please.
GeneZ
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OK... I will read your blather carefully.
e v e
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it is not blather but thank you for reading carefully.
jeremiah1five
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Sand is good if you're at a beach, not good if you have machinery.
Space is good if you have a spaceship, not good if you don't have a spaceship.
The word "good" in Genesis means "good [enough]" or "to specification."
A recipe that comes out as instructed is "good" but awful if it doesn't come out "good."
Adam was created sinful or as the word is defined by Strong's, "missing the mark."
What is the "mark" he missed?
The glory of God.
Anything and everyone God create out of the bullpen will be sinful or "missing the mark" of the glory of God BECAUSE there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE.
God did not reduplicate Himself in Adam, and if God is the standard by which anything and everything is judged against then it will fall short of His glory. The word for that also is "sin."
"Good" does not mean "holy" or "righteous" or "sinless." It means God was satisfied with His creation as being to His "specification" and "good [enough]" for His purpose.
Only TWO PERSON'S can stand before a Holy God Blameless and that is a Holy Son and Holy Spirit. Everything and everyone else fall short of His glory because there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him and He gives His glory (of which holiness and righteousness and sinlessness are His glory) to NO ONE. (That's what Isaiah said.)
God is Eternal. Just by virtue of being created man falls short of God's Eternal glory because Adam was not created Eternal because Eternalness is a Glory of God and there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him and He gives His glory to NO ONE.
If Adam possessed any ONE Deific Attribute of God, he would by necessity MUST possess ALL the Deific Attributes of God or he will "miss the mark" and fall short of God.
OK? Got it? "Good."
jeremiah1five
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Well, I suppose God wants us to reason with our fallen minds:
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
Though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isaiah 1:18.
It's not impossible if God calls us with fallen minds to REASON out His salvation. And that's what He's doing.
Sins be as scarlet, red like crimson, etc.
Salvation is reason-able.
And so are other things in His Word. With our fallen minds we can do what the Roman centurion did or the Samaritan woman, and that is, reason-out the Hebrew Scriptures and identify the Son of David, the Messiah, the Christ. You see, salvation occurs in the mind, the fallen mind, because repentance is to "change [your] mind." That's what the Greek word means.
You got this.
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