Which body?

[360watt]

In 1 Corinthians 12.. it is often assumed the body in question is all redeemed.

But is that the body in question?

Because for one thing..Paul calls the church at Corinth...'ye are the body of Christ ' (KJB)

Then the language used to describe the body is in terms of all members suffering, while one member suffers.. the hand cannot say to the eye I can no need of you etc..

How is this describing all redeemed?

It is describing the church at Corinth though as a body in themselves.

So.. I know you may say .. it is about both the body at Corinth and all redeemed..but to that I ask where?

Where in 1 co 12 is it all redeemed?

All redeemed:

*all members do not suffer when one does
*it is not unified and it's near impossible to unify all redeemed.
* it has no doctrine
*it does not meet

How does that apply to 1 co 12?

 

[civic]

I think there is an over all principle Paul is using to illustrate how we are all connected within the local assembly. The principle of a little leaven leavens the whole lump applies here as well. Think of Jesus sermon on the mount. Mourn with those who mourn, weep with those who weep, comfort those who need to be comforted etc........ Believers come alongside one another to build them up, grieve with them , support them, encourage them , pray with them, love them. provide for them, feed them, teach them etc...... We all have different giftings from God to be used for one another. That only happens within your church groups, weekly meetings, study groups, prayer meetings etc......

 

[360watt]

Singular standing for plural in grammar..

'The horse is a magnificent animal'

That's not Mr Ed down the road.. but is singular representing all horses

Same with 'the dog' 'the cat' etc..

So when in scripture you see 'the church'.
It's in this sense. It's about the local assembly of believers but not one in particular .

This is the sense in Jesus saying 'I will build my church' in Matt 16:18

Like if I said I will develop 'the fridge'

It's still the singular fridge . But meaning all fridges.

'The church in America'

That's the local assembly.
Singular standing for all churches.

This is where all redeemed becomes a separate entity to 'the church'

 

[Olde Tymer]

But is that the body in question? Because for one thing..Paul calls the church at Corinth...'ye are
the body of Christ'

"in Christ" is a common term used numerous times throughout the new testament
to designate folks unified with God's son, viz: Christianity is a joint venture, so to
speak. In other words: folks unified with Christ are on the books as having gone to
the cross with him not merely as observers, rather, as participants.

● Rom 6:3 . . Don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus
were baptized into his death?

In other words; folks unified with Christ are accounted crucified with him so that
they no longer need fear retribution because they already faced their fair measure
of justice on the cross.

● Rom 6:6-7 . . For we know that our old self was crucified with him

● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ

● Col 3:3-4 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

In addition; seeing as how folks unified with Christ are accounted participants with
him when he was crucified, then they are also accounted participants with him
when his crucified dead body was restored to life.

● Rom 6:4-5 . . For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death,
we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

● Eph 2:6 . . God raised us up with Christ

● Col 2:12 . . Buried with him in baptism, wherein also you are risen with him

● Col 3:1-3 . . You have been raised with Christ,

Now, the thing is: Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life with immortality.
(Rom 6:9, Rev 1:18, Rev 2:8) So then, folks unified with Christ in his death and
resurrection have perpetual youth in the bag, i.e. it's a done deal and it's
irrevocable.
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[Fred]

In 1 Corinthians 12.. it is often assumed the body in question is all redeemed.

But is that the body in question?

Yes, because verse 13 applies to all Christians within that body.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free; and we have been all made to drink of one Spirit.

 

[Doug Brents]

In 1 Corinthians 12.. it is often assumed the body in question is all redeemed.

But is that the body in question?

Because for one thing..Paul calls the church at Corinth...'ye are the body of Christ ' (KJB)

Then the language used to describe the body is in terms of all members suffering, while one member suffers.. the hand cannot say to the eye I can no need of you etc..

How is this describing all redeemed?

It is describing the church at Corinth though as a body in themselves.

So.. I know you may say .. it is about both the body at Corinth and all redeemed..but to that I ask where?

Where in 1 co 12 is it all redeemed?

All redeemed:

*all members do not suffer when one does
*it is not unified and it's near impossible to unify all redeemed.
* it has no doctrine
*it does not meet

How does that apply to 1 co 12?

The answer to your question is in verses 12 and 13. Christ is one, and so His Body (the Church) is one. Certainly this can be reduced to the Body that meets in one place (Corinth), but it also applies to the Body that is all over the place (Corinth, Ephesus, Rome, Athens, Atlanta, New York, London, etc.), And regardless of where the Body is, it is still one.

While the Body in Athens may not always be aware of suffering in Ephesus, it still hurts the body in Athens when they hear of Ephesus' suffering (and we should be aware that there is suffering in the Body somewhere in the world at all times).

 

[Olde Tymer]

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There are at least eleven verses in the epistles saying there is only one body.

Rom 12:4
Rom 12:5
1Cor 6:16
1Cor 10:17
1Cor 12:12
1Cor 12:13
1Cor 12:20
Eph 2:16
Eph 4:4
Col 3:5

It's probably best that when speaking of a local congregation to call it a church.
There are at least fifty-six examples of that practice in the epistles beginning with
Rom 16:1 and lastly at Rev 3:14.
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[360watt]

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There are at least eleven verses in the epistles saying there is only one body.

Rom 12:4
Rom 12:5
1Cor 6:16
1Cor 10:17
1Cor 12:12
1Cor 12:13
1Cor 12:20
Eph 2:16
Eph 4:4
Col 3:5

It's probably best that when speaking of a local congregation to call it a church.
There are at least fifty-six examples of that practice in the epistles beginning with
Rom 16:1 and lastly at Rev 3:14.
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Well ..the 'there is one body' in Ephesians in referring to unity in the body at Ephesus. It doesn't exclude other local bodies from existing. But the context is of unity and togetherness at that church.

 

[Doug Brents]

Well ..the 'there is one body' in Ephesians in referring to unity in the body at Ephesus. It doesn't exclude other local bodies from existing. But the context is of unity and togetherness at that church.

There are not multiple bodies/churches. Yes, there is unity within the local Body (like Ephesus), but there is also unity within the greater global Body.

 

[360watt]

There are not multiple bodies/churches. Yes, there is unity within the local Body (like Ephesus), but there is also unity within the greater global Body.

Well that wider body.. I believe is the Family and Kingdom of God..not a body of Christ.

A body is compacted together, is visible, can be unified, has doctrine etc. The Kingdom and Family of God isn't these things. Churches function within them..that can be these things.

 

[Doug Brents]

Well that wider body.. I believe is the Family and Kingdom of God..not a body of Christ.

A body is compacted together, is visible, can be unified, has doctrine etc. The Kingdom and Family of God isn't these things. Churches function within them..that can be these things.

Eph 4:5 says there is ONE Body. There are many passages that speak of the BODY of Christ (not bodies of Christ). The Kingdom of God, the Family of God, The body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, the Church: all of these are synonyms and all refer to the exact same thing: the greater Church worldwide to include each of the individual locations, and the individuals who comprise the whole.

 

[dwight92070]

I think there is an over all principle Paul is using to illustrate how we are all connected within the local assembly. The principle of a little leaven leavens the whole lump applies here as well. Think of Jesus sermon on the mount. Mourn with those who mourn, weep with those who weep, comfort those who need to be comforted etc........ Believers come alongside one another to build them up, grieve with them , support them, encourage them , pray with them, love them. provide for them, feed them, teach them etc...... We all have different giftings from God to be used for one another. That only happens within your church groups, weekly meetings, study groups, prayer meetings etc......

I think we are also part of the universal body of Christ, so, for example, when we hear of Christians suffering overseas, we pray for them and ask God to comfort them and protect them, just like we do within our local body.

 

[dwight92070]

Well that wider body.. I believe is the Family and Kingdom of God..not a body of Christ.

A body is compacted together, is visible, can be unified, has doctrine etc. The Kingdom and Family of God isn't these things. Churches function within them..that can be these things.

The Bible makes no differentiation between a local body of Christ and one far off. Nor do I see a differentiation between the kingdom of God and the body of Christ. Obviously we can't usually fellowship with a group of believers that is far away, but we're still part of the same body of Christ and the kingdom of God.

 

[360watt]

'There is one body' in Ephesians.. does not exclude the existence of other bodies. The context isn't of an exclusionary thing of there being only one universal body of Christ.. but of unity at the body at Ephesus, as an example to other local bodies.

 

[DavidTree]

Well ..the 'there is one body' in Ephesians in referring to unity in the body at Ephesus. It doesn't exclude other local bodies from existing. But the context is of unity and togetherness at that church.

The Body of Christ are Members of Christ spread throughout the world = One Body

Then you have local assemblies called 'churches' throughout the world.

Not everyone who belongs to a 'church' is a Member of Christ's Body.

Everyone who belongs to Christ is a Member of His Body = the Temple of God

 

[DavidTree]

'There is one body' in Ephesians.. does not exclude the existence of other bodies. The context isn't of an exclusionary thing of there being only one universal body of Christ.. but of unity at the body at Ephesus, as an example to other local bodies.

'There is one body' in Ephesians.. does not exclude the existence of other bodies

You are referring to other 'churches' = which are not other "bodies" but they are other Members of the same Body of Christ

The Blood Washed saints who were in Ephesus are of the SAME One Body as those in Corinth, Rome or Thessolinica.

See Post 15

 

[DavidTree]

'There is one body' in Ephesians.. does not exclude the existence of other bodies. The context isn't of an exclusionary thing of there being only one universal body of Christ.. but of unity at the body at Ephesus, as an example to other local bodies.

Post 16 UPdated

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

You are referring to other 'churches' = which are not other "bodies" but they are other Members of the same Body of Christ

The Blood Washed saints who were in Ephesus are of the SAME One Body as those in Corinth, Rome or Thessolinica.

See Post 15

Three sixty watt needs a serious reminder my friend .
As i am sure you seen this by your response given .
The carrot of false love has been dangled unto this people and many as the dumb mule
can smell its aroma and continue to see only this carrot
but have no idea they headed right to the cliff . all they can see is the carrot and
desire to only eat of it , and walk and walk and walk on they go
desiring the carrot . All they can see now is the carrot
and on they walk not even seeing the cliff that they head right towards .
So allow me some parting words for this other fellow .
THERE are TWO BODIES is the truth be told . ONE BE Of satan trapped in bondage
The other is THE SHEEP and anyone not within this body of CHRIST
is headed right to the cliff of their own destruction . MANY so have to beleive the lie at all costs now .
For they have loved their sin and never desired to be rid of it ,
they desired a savoir that would give them their own lustful hearts desire WITH A PROMISE of SALVATION TOO .
And now unto the great lie they will head .
The only thing we can do my friend is one real simple thing .
Dont worry about what to say
DONT worry about offending
JUST SPEAK and LIVE THE TRUTH . who so ever hears amen
and who so ever rejects , Its on them . JESUS never ran back to those who rejected him
and tried to offer up ANY OTHER Mindset to try and beg them to come in
AND the church BETTER NEVER DO THE SAME EITHER . yet MANY HAVE and its why this ten ring
circus has grown massive now .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

You are referring to other 'churches' = which are not other "bodies" but they are other Members of the same Body of Christ

The Blood Washed saints who were in Ephesus are of the SAME One Body as those in Corinth, Rome or Thessolinica.

See Post 15

Herein is yet another example my friend .
SO allow me some words .
Many will use this , BUT ONLY as an example TO UNIFY that which ought never to have been .
THEY use it to merge the denominations with the mother of all wickedness and abominations
who has also poured her cup of fornication unto the false religoins too .
But you are correct , ITS ONE BODY . it consists of the sheep .
But many within christendom are not of This body i do speak about my friend .
They as lost as i once was .
And i dont say that lightly either . In fact many are headed right now
RIGHT INTO the universal love , A LIE of course , of which they so beleive is of GOD but it is of satan .
Many are in the thralls of an all out love for the carrot of the sensual love
and do not realize that any and all they are pulling n that cart
THEY ARE NOT SAVING , they are simply headed right to the cliff .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Post 16 UPdated

The parable of the what on earth is going on within christendom .
Now lets visualize this shall we . and behold the insanity of that which many within christendom now buy into .
Ol amigo shows up
and says HEY david how about you letting me watch the grandchildren for a day .
SO i take them to the beach . OH they do so enjoy themselves .
But all of a sudden i look out and they are now drowing in the ocean .
Lil heads bobbing up and down trying to stay afloat but sinking quickly .
NOW i want US ALL to visualise this next scenario .
LETS say ol amigo was like TODAYS CHURCHEY DO .
So a few holler HEY man those children are drowning
So i keep on encouraging them , telling them they are doing just fine
showing them signs of hugs , telling them oh i am hugging you to safety .
Another shows up and tells me LOOK here throw them this buoy and TELL THEM THEY MUST
grab ahold of it TO BE saved .
BUT alas ol amigo lost in the thralls of this judge not , warn not , correct not mindset
SO i tell them SHUSH . HEY DUDE that buoy aint the only way to be saved
HERE let me throw this one , and its lead .
And i tell the children grab ahold of this big ol broad inclusive lovey do bouy
For it can save you . remember ITS LEAD .
It wont be saving squat . well that is interfiath my friend and its big ol sin accepting
broad path of unbelief accepting lie .
OH it might be presented as a means to save , BUT lets be real , ITS NOT GONNA SAVE SQUAT
. BUT THE TRUE COULD HAVE . GOTS TO present THE CORRECT JESUS , HIS GOSPEL
not this fairy tale sin accepting , koran and budda kissing version . cause THAT ONE AINT JESUS .