When You See JERUSALEM Surrounded By Armies, Luke 21

[JLB]

Not the rapture , but yes the ressurection .
Paul speaks of a time that is still coming

The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture are one event that occurs at His coming.

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them

Those who are resurrected and those who are raptured will be caught up together… at His coming.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture are one event that occurs at His coming.

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them

Those who are resurrected and those who are raptured will be caught up together… at His coming.

Of course its at his coming . that part we fully agree on my friend .
The rapture occurs at HIS COMING . YES . this is true indeed my friend .
But beware
because some teach a real bad teaching
which tries to imply that paul meant something he never meant .
Which implies the momemnt one was born again that was the rapture . NO this is not true .
Because paul was born again and HE SPOKE OF IT as a FUTURE day , as you said AT THE COMING OF THE LORD .

 

[civic]

The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture are one event that occurs at His coming.

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them

Those who are resurrected and those who are raptured will be caught up together… at His coming.

Some think there is a 7 year gap, others a 3 1/2 year gap and others no gap. They make a distinction between rapture and 2nd Coming with its timing.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Amen.

The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture occur at His coming, on the last day, at the end of the age.


Some folks believe this already occurred in 70 AD.


They have been deceived by a false doctrine of error, and are being used to lead others astray saying that the resurrection is past.


And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18


People who have strayed concerning the truth need to be brought back to the Lord, because they are spreading a cancer through the body of Christ called heresy.


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20


Remember those who promote heresies, will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

I missed what you wrote about some beleiving this rapture occured in seventy AD .
those were the ones i made mention of TO BEWARE , they teach something dead wrong .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Some think there is a 7 year gap, others a 3 1/2 year gap and others no gap. They make a distinction between rapture and 2nd Coming with its timing.

Many beleive what men taught them .
But what does the bible itself teach us . Its a one time event .
JESUS second coming IS the rapture of the saints AND to lay down wrath against
the ungodly .
Even peter wrote about this one time event
occuring . WE look forward to the coming of GOD wherein the heavens being ON FIRE and etc
shall be dissolved . but for us NEW heavens and new earth .
There is another key in the second letter
to the thessolonians , in the FIRST chapter itself .
I beleive in the rapture and yet
i aint pre , mid , or post trib . cause i have found some errors in those teachings .
Not accusing anyone of damnation here , but it would be far better had we learned
this for ourselves and not of men .
You might even wonder how on earth i am not pre trib
and YET I warn us HIS coming draws NIGH .
Well let us learn the scrips for ourselves , keep learning
and keep learning
and you would marvel at JUST how far along we truly are RIGHT NOW .
and that many even now are under the influence of that which is of anti christ and of many anti christs
who have given this world a false love , a false image of GOD
and has even called it the LOVE OF GOD and yet ITS of anti christ
and it has promised them this big ol common ground love merger
WILL USHER UPON them all PEACE N SAFETY .
keep those two words in mind . cause paul said WHEN they say PEACE N safety , BAM SUDDEN destruction
cometh upon them all . OH its at the door my friend . at the door .

 

[civic]

I missed what you wrote about some beleiving this rapture occured in seventy AD .
those were the ones i made mention of TO BEWARE , they teach something dead wrong .

Impossible since we know John wrote the Revelation 25-30 years after 70ad.

Pretersim is a false teaching. And don't get me started on their heretical views on the millennium and Jesus "spiritual" return, not physical return.

Even when I was a calvinist I couldn't swallow their eschatology views. They "spiritualize" everything. Its ridiculous.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Impossible since we know John wrote the Revelation 25-30 years after 70ad.

Pretersim is a false teaching.

exactly . IMPOSSIBLE my friend .
not only that but unto those who teach we living in this so called thousand years RIGHT NOW
Let us read
what occurs . Well during the thousand years the Beast and false prophet BE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE
and SATAN has also been bound
so as HE cannot DECIEVE the nations . SO i have a real quick question
WHY DO i see SO MUCH Wickedness in the world , in the nations , even in christendom
IF we in the SO called thousand years right now .
Exactly my friend . Now its true i dont fully understand the thousand years . That is true .
But i know during it the saints are all happily at peace in the great city
satan is bound , no deceiving even the nations at that time .
SO while i dont fully understand it , I know errors when i see errors .
WE cant be in the thousand years . Evil is all around and grows only worse by the hour .
HERE is what days we are in , THE VERY LAST . and that my friend IS a fact .
That indeed the coming of JESUS draws NIGH . and that with whatever time we have left
in this world , WHICH SURE aint much , it gets only worse in evil and delusions .
Tribulation , real persecution is building against us .

 

[civic]

exactly . IMPOSSIBLE my friend .
not only that but unto those who teach we living in this so called thousand years RIGHT NOW
Let us read
what occurs . Well during the thousand years the Beast and false prophet BE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE
and SATAN has also been bound
so as HE cannot DECIEVE the nations . SO i have a real quick question
WHY DO i see SO MUCH Wickedness in the world , in the nations , even in christendom
IF we in the SO called thousand years right now .
Exactly my friend . Now its true i dont fully understand the thousand years . That is true .
But i know during it the saints are all happily at peace in the great city
satan is bound , no deceiving even the nations at that time .
SO while i dont fully understand it , I know errors when i see errors .
WE cant be in the thousand years . Evil is all around and grows only worse by the hour .
HERE is what days we are in , THE VERY LAST . and that my friend IS a fact .
That indeed the coming of JESUS draws NIGH . and that with whatever time we have left
in this world , WHICH SURE aint much , it gets only worse in evil and delusions .
Tribulation , real persecution is building against us .

This world has never known peace for 100 year let alone a 1,000 years.

Talk about swallowing a pill lol.

 

[civic]

The millennial kingdom is the title given to the 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. Some seek to interpret the 1,000 years in an allegorical manner. They understand the 1,000 years as merely a figurative way of saying “a long period of time,” not a literal, physical reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. However, six times in Revelation 20:2-7, the millennial kingdom is specifically said to be 1,000 years in length. If God wished to communicate “a long period of time,” He could have easily done so without explicitly and repeatedly mentioning an exact time frame.

The Bible tells us that when Christ returns to the earth He will establish Himself as king in Jerusalem, sitting on the throne of David (Luke 1:32–33). The unconditional covenants demand a literal, physical return of Christ to establish the kingdom. The Abrahamic covenant promised Israel a land, a posterity and ruler, and a spiritual blessing (Genesis 12:1–3). The Palestinian covenant promised Israel a restoration to the land and occupation of the land (Deuteronomy 30:1–10). The Davidic covenant promised Israel a king from David’s line who would rule forever—giving the nation rest from all their enemies (2 Samuel 7:10–13).

At the second coming, these covenants will be fulfilled as Israel is re-gathered from the nations (Matthew 24:31), converted (Zechariah 12:10–14), and restored to the land under the rule of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The Bible speaks of the conditions during the millennium as a perfect environment physically and spiritually. It will be a time of peace (Micah 4:2–4; Isaiah 32:17–18), joy (Isaiah 61:7, 10), and comfort (Isaiah 40:1–2). The Bible also tells us that only believers will enter the millennial kingdom. Because of this, it will be a time of obedience (Jeremiah 31:33), holiness (Isaiah 35:8), truth (Isaiah 65:16), and the knowledge of God (Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14). Christ will rule as king (Isaiah 9:3–7; 11:1–10). Nobles and governors will also rule (Isaiah 32:1; Matthew 19:28), and Jerusalem will be the political center of the world (Zechariah 8:3).

Revelation 20:2-7 gives the precise time period of the millennial kingdom. There are countless other passages that point to a literal reign of the Messiah on the earth. The fulfillment of many of God’s covenants and promises rests on a literal, physical, future kingdom. There is no solid basis for denying the literal interpretation of the millennial kingdom and its duration being 1,000 years.got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[Marvelloustime]

exactly . IMPOSSIBLE my friend .
not only that but unto those who teach we living in this so called thousand years RIGHT NOW
Let us read
what occurs . Well during the thousand years the Beast and false prophet BE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE
and SATAN has also been bound
so as HE cannot DECIEVE the nations . SO i have a real quick question
WHY DO i see SO MUCH Wickedness in the world , in the nations , even in christendom
IF we in the SO called thousand years right now .
Exactly my friend . Now its true i dont fully understand the thousand years . That is true .
But i know during it the saints are all happily at peace in the great city
satan is bound , no deceiving even the nations at that time .
SO while i dont fully understand it , I know errors when i see errors .
WE cant be in the thousand years . Evil is all around and grows only worse by the hour .
HERE is what days we are in , THE VERY LAST . and that my friend IS a fact .
That indeed the coming of JESUS draws NIGH . and that with whatever time we have left
in this world , WHICH SURE aint much , it gets only worse in evil and delusions .
Tribulation , real persecution is building against us .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19‬:‭20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

Many beleive what men taught them .
But what does the bible itself teach us . Its a one time event .
JESUS second coming IS the rapture of the saints AND to lay down wrath against
the ungodly .
Even peter wrote about this one time event
occuring . WE look forward to the coming of GOD wherein the heavens being ON FIRE and etc
shall be dissolved . but for us NEW heavens and new earth .
There is another key in the second letter
to the thessolonians , in the FIRST chapter itself .
I beleive in the rapture and yet
i aint pre , mid , or post trib . cause i have found some errors in those teachings .
Not accusing anyone of damnation here , but it would be far better had we learned
this for ourselves and not of men .
You might even wonder how on earth i am not pre trib
and YET I warn us HIS coming draws NIGH .
Well let us learn the scrips for ourselves , keep learning
and keep learning
and you would marvel at JUST how far along we truly are RIGHT NOW .
and that many even now are under the influence of that which is of anti christ and of many anti christs
who have given this world a false love , a false image of GOD
and has even called it the LOVE OF GOD and yet ITS of anti christ
and it has promised them this big ol common ground love merger
WILL USHER UPON them all PEACE N SAFETY .
keep those two words in mind . cause paul said WHEN they say PEACE N safety , BAM SUDDEN destruction
cometh upon them all . OH its at the door my friend . at the door .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬-‭13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[civic]

And didn't you know we have a new heavens and new earth- its paradise here rofl.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

The millennial kingdom is the title given to the 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. Some seek to interpret the 1,000 years in an allegorical manner. They understand the 1,000 years as merely a figurative way of saying “a long period of time,” not a literal, physical reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. However, six times in Revelation 20:2-7, the millennial kingdom is specifically said to be 1,000 years in length. If God wished to communicate “a long period of time,” He could have easily done so without explicitly and repeatedly mentioning an exact time frame.

The Bible tells us that when Christ returns to the earth He will establish Himself as king in Jerusalem, sitting on the throne of David (Luke 1:32–33). The unconditional covenants demand a literal, physical return of Christ to establish the kingdom. The Abrahamic covenant promised Israel a land, a posterity and ruler, and a spiritual blessing (Genesis 12:1–3). The Palestinian covenant promised Israel a restoration to the land and occupation of the land (Deuteronomy 30:1–10). The Davidic covenant promised Israel a king from David’s line who would rule forever—giving the nation rest from all their enemies (2 Samuel 7:10–13).

At the second coming, these covenants will be fulfilled as Israel is re-gathered from the nations (Matthew 24:31), converted (Zechariah 12:10–14), and restored to the land under the rule of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The Bible speaks of the conditions during the millennium as a perfect environment physically and spiritually. It will be a time of peace (Micah 4:2–4; Isaiah 32:17–18), joy (Isaiah 61:7, 10), and comfort (Isaiah 40:1–2). The Bible also tells us that only believers will enter the millennial kingdom. Because of this, it will be a time of obedience (Jeremiah 31:33), holiness (Isaiah 35:8), truth (Isaiah 65:16), and the knowledge of God (Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14). Christ will rule as king (Isaiah 9:3–7; 11:1–10). Nobles and governors will also rule (Isaiah 32:1; Matthew 19:28), and Jerusalem will be the political center of the world (Zechariah 8:3).

Revelation 20:2-7 gives the precise time period of the millennial kingdom. There are countless other passages that point to a literal reign of the Messiah on the earth. The fulfillment of many of God’s covenants and promises rests on a literal, physical, future kingdom. There is no solid basis for denying the literal interpretation of the millennial kingdom and its duration being 1,000 years.got?

hope this helps !!!

notice when it speaks of this thousand years
it speaks of WHO will be in it . They had already been killed or etc too .
Now let us also notice that JESUS warned us IN THIS LIFE ye shall have persecutions
Let us notice that satan , the fp , beast rages war against CHRIST and HIs saints , BEFORE this thousand years .
Then let us notice that after the thousand years a real short season wherein
satan only , NOT the beast and FP who are actually in the lake of fire , is released to decieve again .
and when this army cometh against the CITY , WELL it never even touches them ,
GOD burns them all up in fire . yes i dont fully understand things about the thousand years .
But again i ask those who claim to say we are in it
TELL ME , WHO IS DOING ALL THIS DECIEVING , WICKEDNESS , WORKS of anti christ
to merge this people as one under a lie . cause it cant be the FP , cant be the beast , cant be the dragon
Exactly my friend . I know and fully admit i dont understand this all .
But The LORD keeps the sheep safe from straggling into deceptoins of men . I KNOW that .
Have you ever noticed that . EVEN if we dont fully understand things ,
IF a lie appears , WE HAVE NO stomach to sit and eat from it . Many come and try and often
teach things THEY dont even fully know or understand and also what men taught them .
But even as a wee babe barely in CHRIST , when i still had not even the knowledge i do today BY GRACE ,
when something was said that was not RIGHT or etc , WITHIN ME I HAD NO PEACE about it .
YET i always had peace reading the bible . Now isnt that something . GOD looks out for the sheep indeed .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Not the rapture , but yes the ressurection .
Paul speaks of a time that is still coming ,
a time wherein some of us shall not even sleep
as have many others before us . aka that means they wont physcially bodily die
But rather CHANGED in an instant .
Now as far as the ressurection of the dead , per say , from the moment JESUS
came out of the grave and etc
All those who had died having faith in THIS COMING messiah
arose from the dead . I mean it does talk about that . if it didnt i would never dared
to have said such a thing . But in mathew it says very clearly that after HIS ressurection
they even SEEN some of these who had arisen from the grave .
THERE is an actual rapture coming .
Visualize it like this . Lets say you and i were talking
and THEN Bam JESUS came , INSTANTLY we fly up to meet him , changed in an instant
the dead in Christ shall rise and we who are still here on earth shall be cuaght up WITH THEM .
That day has not yet occurred . but yes if a sheep were to breath its last breath tonight
IT DEPARTS to be with THE LORD . however that all works out and what it entails
is what i am not hundred percent sure of .
The only thing i can manage to think is that perhaps just as JESUS told
the man on the cross next to him , TODAY YE SHALL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE
simple means GOD does not work within TIME as we know TIME to be .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[mikesw]

Amen.

The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture occur at His coming, on the last day, at the end of the age.


Some folks believe this already occurred in 70 AD.


They have been deceived by a false doctrine of error, and are being used to lead others astray saying that the resurrection is past.


And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18


People who have strayed concerning the truth need to be brought back to the Lord, because they are spreading a cancer through the body of Christ called heresy.


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20


Remember those who promote heresies, will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

How have you decided that such a person has been deceived if you have not even looked at the logic of scripture behind those facts? Did you even watch the video of Steve Gregg, who is not a full preterist? So you are ignorantly interpreting Zech 14 because you will not listen to a commentary that perhaps could inform you better.
Consequently, you have just buttressed ignorance with claims of heresy to create a little protective zone around you and your predisposition to a doctrine of eschatology created in the 1800s.
I too have had issues with full preterists who gloss over passages in a way that misses the meaning of scripture -- virtually erases the timing found in Revelation. So stop pretending to have some sort of upperhand in your interpretation of prophecy, especially as if only your doctrine is on the table as the true one.

The reasons that Revelation is misunderstood is that it was not written to you or for your future. Its meaning was lost due to that lack of application to your life and also due to the intense persecution against the church in the first century. Your desire and hope are that this will happen again so you can escape it.

But like I said, it is not you who suffers much from misinterpretation of these prophecies. The Jews do because they do not hear the true relevance of the judgment of OT prophecy that could shift them to seek the scriptures and come to Christ. Does that make you feel more secure?

 

[mikesw]

notice when it speaks of this thousand years
it speaks of WHO will be in it . They had already been killed or etc too .
Now let us also notice that JESUS warned us IN THIS LIFE ye shall have persecutions
Let us notice that satan , the fp , beast rages war against CHRIST and HIs saints , BEFORE this thousand years .
Then let us notice that after the thousand years a real short season wherein
satan only , NOT the beast and FP who are actually in the lake of fire , is released to decieve again .
and when this army cometh against the CITY , WELL it never even touches them ,
GOD burns them all up in fire . yes i dont fully understand things about the thousand years .
But again i ask those who claim to say we are in it
TELL ME , WHO IS DOING ALL THIS DECIEVING , WICKEDNESS , WORKS of anti christ
to merge this people as one under a lie . cause it cant be the FP , cant be the beast , cant be the dragon
Exactly my friend . I know and fully admit i dont understand this all .
But The LORD keeps the sheep safe from straggling into deceptoins of men . I KNOW that .
Have you ever noticed that . EVEN if we dont fully understand things ,
IF a lie appears , WE HAVE NO stomach to sit and eat from it . Many come and try and often
teach things THEY dont even fully know or understand and also what men taught them .
But even as a wee babe barely in CHRIST , when i still had not even the knowledge i do today BY GRACE ,
when something was said that was not RIGHT or etc , WITHIN ME I HAD NO PEACE about it .
YET i always had peace reading the bible . Now isnt that something . GOD looks out for the sheep indeed .

A quick point is that Satan is the Dragon.
But the main point is that it is useful to recognize when prophecy is not fully understood. Actually much remains difficult due to the poetic language, symbology, and analogies. Often then, the most abstract prophecy elements can only be narrowed to their meaning after finding the milestone markers that we identify were fulfilled.1 Even beyond that, it seems prophecies have fulfillment in the era contemporaneous to each prophet but carry a sense relevant to the time Christ appeared. That aspect adds another layer of complexity to prophecy.

There is today great deception happening against God and the Christians. It is an effort to deny God exists and also deny that truth is absolute. There also is the effort to unify people in a false religion. Many people also have anticipated that a messianic figure would appear in the world but fail, and thus cause Christians to lose hope or even lose faith. That is what the premillennial doctrine is designed to do.

Footnotes
1. That is why people should listen to Steve Gregg share on Zech 14. He recapitulates these markers based on quotes of Zechariah in the New Testament as he shared in teaching on earlier chapters of Zechariah.

 

[Selah]

The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture are one event that occurs at His coming.

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them

Those who are resurrected and those who are raptured will be caught up together… at His coming.

I agree, but I think that instead of using the word “rapture,” we should simply refer to this event, which is after the great tribulation, as the return of Jesus or the Second Coming of Jesus. This event and the First Resurrection to immortality happen at the same time. Agree?

 

[JLB]

Some think there is a 7 year gap, others a 3 1/2 year gap and others no gap. They make a distinction between rapture and 2nd Coming with its timing.

The truth is simple is though.


The resurrection and rapture both occur at His coming.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

The the resurrected ones and raptured ones are caught up together to be with the Lord.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17


The third thing that occurs at His coming is the destruction of the antichrist, and the wicked.


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8



Once a person knows these three simple truths they will be free from the deception of false doctrine.

 

[JLB]

I agree, but I think that instead of using the word “rapture,” we should simply refer to this event, which is after the great tribulation, as the return of Jesus or the Second Coming of Jesus. This event and the First Resurrection to immortality happen at the same time. Agree?

I use rapture because most everyone agrees on what it is, even though we may not agree when it is.


Yes. It’s where the church receives their immortal bodies that will never die.

 

[JLB]

How have you decided that such a person has been deceived if you have not even looked at the logic of scripture behind those facts? Did you even watch the video of Steve Gregg, who is not a full preterist? So you are ignorantly interpreting Zech 14 because you will not listen to a commentary that perhaps could inform you better.
Consequently, you have just buttressed ignorance with claims of heresy to create a little protective zone around you and your predisposition to a doctrine of eschatology created in the 1800s.
I too have had issues with full preterists who gloss over passages in a way that misses the meaning of scripture -- virtually erases the timing found in Revelation. So stop pretending to have some sort of upperhand in your interpretation of prophecy, especially as if only your doctrine is on the table as the true one.

The reasons that Revelation is misunderstood is that it was not written to you or for your future. Its meaning was lost due to that lack of application to your life and also due to the intense persecution against the church in the first century. Your desire and hope are that this will happen again so you can escape it.

But like I said, it is not you who suffers much from misinterpretation of these prophecies. The Jews do because they do not hear the true relevance of the judgment of OT prophecy that could shift them to seek the scriptures and come to Christ. Does that make you feel more secure?

Please answer my question. A simple yes or no will be fine.


Do you believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ has already taken place?