What is Truth ?

[Studyman]

Jesus answered this question before the civic ruler of his day, Pontius Pilate. “Then Pilate said to him, ‘So you are a king?’ Jesus answered, ‘You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.’” (John 18:37)

The problem in our world is it’s full of lies. Isaiah said, “Justice is turned back, and righteousness stands far away; for truth has stumbled in the public squares, and uprightness cannot enter.” (Isaiah 59:14). Just as it was in ancient Israel, so also lies continue to confuse us – and keep us from the truth that Jesus presents.

Tackett affirms that Scripture showcases a very close link between truth and salvation. One of the texts he provides is in Paul’s first epistle to Timothy when he wrote, “This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (1 Timothy 2:3-4, emphasis mine) In this text, we see people who are saved come to the truth as well. Truth and salvation are linked.

1 Timothy 2: 1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and "one mediator" between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and "lie not";) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

I would say that the "Truth" is what the Holy Scriptures teach. We know they are Inspired by the Holy Spirit, as "Truly" God is a Holy Spirit. We know that the Bible doesn't teach against itself, because the Spirit of God doesn't teach against the Spirit of God. We know the Christ doesn't teach against the teaching of God, because HE said HE came to do God's will, not His Own, and they were One, with no division between them.

When a person comes to the understanding of Scriptures, through study, where the Entire Bible agrees with itself, like Jesus and Paul understood, This would be coming to knowledge of Truth, in my view.

I believe that the Eve story shows us that we will never come to the knowledge of God's Truth, if we listen to "other voices" in the world God placed us in. Yes, these voices "profess to know God". Yes, these voices even quote some of God's Word to promote seductive religious Philosophies of this world. But according to Paul, God gave men everything they need through the Holy Scriptures, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works". And Jesus told us very clearly whose Words to Live By in the New Testament.

So why a person would seek the advice, opinions or philosophies of someone other than the Known Spirit of God which has remained exactly the same for centuries, is beyond me. Especially given the Eve story, and all the warnings about men who profess to know God.

Why are you even interested in what Tackett or Sproul has to say? And who are you judge them as Holy, or Inspired by the Holy Spirit? According to Paul, we should stick with what we know is God Inspired Truth. And beware of philosophies and traditions of men.

How We Respond to the Truth

In our fallen state we don’t respond well to truth.

Eve had not fallen when God told her His Truth. Was she then created in a fallen state? What is God's truth about Eve? Shall I ask another voice in the garden God placed me in, like Sproul, or Tackett, or Copeland or White?
Or shall I place my trust in the Holy Scriptures, and the God who inspired them to reveal to me His Truths in His Good time?

Paul even warned about people who would eventually turn away from the truth and turn aside to myths and false teachers (2 Timothy 4:3-4). This happens with unbelievers but it also happens to believers before conversion. There are other responses we have concerning the truth…

• We suppress the truth (Romans 1:18).
• We distort the truth (Acts 20:30).
• We reject the truth (Romans 2:8).
• We exchange the truth for a lie. (Romans 1:25).

And yet, Jesus tells us “everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice” (John 18:37).

Yes, and God also actually said, Gen. 2:16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat".

Is the Other Voice in the garden telling God's Truth by quoting Him?

Are these then God's Truths? Or is it necessary to consider more of God's Word in order to come to knowledge of God's Truth?

And when a man trusts God, and considers more of His Words, as Jesus and Paul instruct, what is revealed to them by God Word?

Gen. 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 "But" of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

John 18: 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth "heareth my voice".

Matt. 7: 26 And every one that "heareth these sayings of mine, and "doeth them not", shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

I don't want to rain on your parade and will not go point by point Civic. It is your tradition to advance and promote the opinions and philosophies of "Other Voices" that you have adopted, who come in Christ's Name. And are using their select Scriptures they use to support their specific religious opinions.

Wouldn't it be so great if we could just study the Scriptures apart from the Philosophies, doctrines and opinions of all those other popular religious voices in the garden God placed us in, and simply "DO" what the Christ instructs regardless of whether it aligns with this world's popular religious traditions or not?

Will this not lead us to God's Truth?

 

[civic]

1 Timothy 2: 1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and "one mediator" between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and "lie not";) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

I would say that the "Truth" is what the Holy Scriptures teach. We know they are Inspired by the Holy Spirit, as "Truly" God is a Holy Spirit. We know that the Bible doesn't teach against itself, because the Spirit of God doesn't teach against the Spirit of God. We know the Christ doesn't teach against the teaching of God, because HE said HE came to do God's will, not His Own, and they were One, with no division between them.

When a person comes to the understanding of Scriptures, through study, where the Entire Bible agrees with itself, like Jesus and Paul understood, This would be coming to knowledge of Truth, in my view.

I believe that the Eve story shows us that we will never come to the knowledge of God's Truth, if we listen to "other voices" in the world God placed us in. Yes, these voices "profess to know God". Yes, these voices even quote some of God's Word to promote seductive religious Philosophies of this world. But according to Paul, God gave men everything they need through the Holy Scriptures, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works". And Jesus told us very clearly whose Words to Live By in the New Testament.

So why a person would seek the advice, opinions or philosophies of someone other than the Known Spirit of God which has remained exactly the same for centuries, is beyond me. Especially given the Eve story, and all the warnings about men who profess to know God.

Why are you even interested in what Tackett or Sproul has to say? And who are you judge them as Holy, or Inspired by the Holy Spirit? According to Paul, we should stick with what we know is God Inspired Truth. And beware of philosophies and traditions of men.



Eve had not fallen when God told her His Truth. Was she then created in a fallen state? What is God's truth about Eve? Shall I ask another voice in the garden God placed me in, like Sproul, or Tackett, or Copeland or White?
Or shall I place my trust in the Holy Scriptures, and the God who inspired them to reveal to me His Truths in His Good time?




Yes, and God also actually said, Gen. 2:16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat".

Is the Other Voice in the garden telling God's Truth by quoting Him?

Are these then God's Truths? Or is it necessary to consider more of God's Word in order to come to knowledge of God's Truth?

And when a man trusts God, and considers more of His Words, as Jesus and Paul instruct, what is revealed to them by God Word?

Gen. 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 "But" of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

John 18: 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth "heareth my voice".

Matt. 7: 26 And every one that "heareth these sayings of mine, and "doeth them not", shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

I don't want to rain on your parade and will not go point by point Civic. It is your tradition to advance and promote the opinions and philosophies of "Other Voices" that you have adopted, who come in Christ's Name. And are using their select Scriptures they use to support their specific religious opinions.

Wouldn't it be so great if we could just study the Scriptures apart from the Philosophies, doctrines and opinions of all those other popular religious voices in the garden God placed us in, and simply "DO" what the Christ instructs regardless of whether it aligns with this world's popular religious traditions or not?

Will this not lead us to God's Truth?

Are you saying there is nothing in your belief that has ever come from a sermon, church, pastor, friend, radio, podcast , book, internet etc…..

Everything you believe came only from Gods word without any human involvement except yourself ?

 

[DavidTree]

1 Timothy 2: 1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and "one mediator" between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and "lie not";) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

I would say that the "Truth" is what the Holy Scriptures teach. We know they are Inspired by the Holy Spirit, as "Truly" God is a Holy Spirit. We know that the Bible doesn't teach against itself, because the Spirit of God doesn't teach against the Spirit of God. We know the Christ doesn't teach against the teaching of God, because HE said HE came to do God's will, not His Own, and they were One, with no division between them.

When a person comes to the understanding of Scriptures, through study, where the Entire Bible agrees with itself, like Jesus and Paul understood, This would be coming to knowledge of Truth, in my view.

I believe that the Eve story shows us that we will never come to the knowledge of God's Truth, if we listen to "other voices" in the world God placed us in. Yes, these voices "profess to know God". Yes, these voices even quote some of God's Word to promote seductive religious Philosophies of this world. But according to Paul, God gave men everything they need through the Holy Scriptures, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works". And Jesus told us very clearly whose Words to Live By in the New Testament.

So why a person would seek the advice, opinions or philosophies of someone other than the Known Spirit of God which has remained exactly the same for centuries, is beyond me. Especially given the Eve story, and all the warnings about men who profess to know God.

Why are you even interested in what Tackett or Sproul has to say? And who are you judge them as Holy, or Inspired by the Holy Spirit? According to Paul, we should stick with what we know is God Inspired Truth. And beware of philosophies and traditions of men.



Eve had not fallen when God told her His Truth. Was she then created in a fallen state? What is God's truth about Eve? Shall I ask another voice in the garden God placed me in, like Sproul, or Tackett, or Copeland or White?
Or shall I place my trust in the Holy Scriptures, and the God who inspired them to reveal to me His Truths in His Good time?




Yes, and God also actually said, Gen. 2:16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat".

Is the Other Voice in the garden telling God's Truth by quoting Him?

Are these then God's Truths? Or is it necessary to consider more of God's Word in order to come to knowledge of God's Truth?

And when a man trusts God, and considers more of His Words, as Jesus and Paul instruct, what is revealed to them by God Word?

Gen. 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 "But" of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

John 18: 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth "heareth my voice".

Matt. 7: 26 And every one that "heareth these sayings of mine, and "doeth them not", shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

I don't want to rain on your parade and will not go point by point Civic. It is your tradition to advance and promote the opinions and philosophies of "Other Voices" that you have adopted, who come in Christ's Name. And are using their select Scriptures they use to support their specific religious opinions.

Wouldn't it be so great if we could just study the Scriptures apart from the Philosophies, doctrines and opinions of all those other popular religious voices in the garden God placed us in, and simply "DO" what the Christ instructs regardless of whether it aligns with this world's popular religious traditions or not?

Will this not lead us to God's Truth?

Or is it necessary to consider more of God's Word in order to come to knowledge of God's Truth?

@Studyman and @civic

What is the answer to the question.

Hint: There is a true/correct/undivided answer to this.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

@Studyman and @civic

What is the answer to the question.

Hint: There is a true/correct/undivided answer to this.

The adversary of the souls of humanity has decieved this people
and worse many within christendom .
He came not with horns and a pitch fork
He came , as did his co workers , wrapped in wool and with words meant to sound as though they were love and loving
and what was best for all of humanity .
But he is a liar . He came with a trogan horse in the name of peace and has promised
this people a solution that they beleive will lead them to world peace n safety .
But the blind know not it will lead them to their own swift and sudden destruction
BY GOD and the LAMB on the day of the LORD .
And he has convinced much of christendom as well as the world and her false religoins
of a love that is of the world .
His course of universal ecumincalism has led this people to utter rebellion against THE ONLY GOD
and HIS CHRIST that could have actually saved them . And now it works
to bring the minds of men whose love was for this world and sin
evil affected against the true lambs who do not and did not conform to its image , its image of what it calleth GOD
and cliams is love .
And worse much all of christendom opened its doors
to this trogan horse
but had no idea of what was really within it . Lies and deception
to destroy from within and to remold a god in their own image that all religoins and peoples
of earth can unite under as one .
Soon it will cry for the crusades . And when it do
its children will beleive they do the will of GOD himself
when they rid this earth of the saints . Blood is coming david . fear it not . THE LORD is with the sheep .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

@Studyman and @civic

What is the answer to the question.

Hint: There is a true/correct/undivided answer to this.

Unto he who has been given , he has a responsibility to warn the peoples .
Man the walls my friend . The watchers on the wall must warn this people
that a great a mighty trogan horse of inclusive interfaith will be its END .
And though its master and though his co workers promised them this will lead to world peace n safety
There simply will be no peace for the wicked On the GREAT AND MIGHTY DAY of THE Lord GOD all mighty
and the LAMB , only swift destruction and much wailing will be heard .
JESUS never came to bring peace on earth
But anti christ sure does . and it sure seems many are following and being led right into
an anti christ snare of interfaith for peace .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Are you saying there is nothing in your belief that has ever come from a sermon, church, pastor, friend, radio, podcast , book, internet etc…..

Everything you believe came only from Gods word without any human involvement except yourself ?

When God speaks a lamb cannot but DO what is told .
And though men may say DO NOT
and though man may say We warn you NOT to preach this name
THIS SHEEP cannot but speak what he knows of GOD . JESUS IS the ONLY NAME that can save
and one must BELEIVE in HIM to be saved . They wont silence my mouth
for GOD is my strength and shall be with the sheep no matter what comes against them .
As for those who holler How dare thee judge , God is love , he has made the road broad
How dare thee say one must BELEIVE IN JESUS
i say this , how dare they CALL JESUS a liar . HE is the one who said ONE must believe
to be saved . I dont judge and condmen , i speak but the words of life .
NOW GO to one and all and speak the word of this life to the peoples
that ONLY JESUS saves and ye must believe , and he darn sure dont hold rainbows , kiss korans
or honor any sin .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Are you saying there is nothing in your belief that has ever come from a sermon, church, pastor, friend, radio, podcast , book, internet etc…..

Everything you believe came only from Gods word without any human involvement except yourself ?

To the trenches civic the hour is only later than it was yesterday . On those feet
Time for the church to speak forth the words of life
and stop heeding these interfaithers who preach naught but words of death unto death .

 

[Studyman]

Are you saying there is nothing in your belief that has ever come from a sermon, church, pastor, friend, radio, podcast , book, internet etc…..

Everything you believe came only from Gods word without any human involvement except yourself ?

Well I'll ask you a question first. Among those who left Egypt on a journey to a place God had set apart for them, who among them left without influences of the Egyptians gods and traditions and teaching of the religious system of the world God placed them in?? Is it even possible that even ONE person didn't struggle with these influences along their journey? I bet Caleb and Joshua struggled with these influences until God drove them from their mind, little by little as God promised. I bet Abraham did as well when he left the religion of his fathers. We can see Peter's struggle on his journey to the promised land, with the commandments of men he was brought up in. In my understanding this is why God Sent the Light of the world, into the world in the first place. As it is written:

John 3:21 But he that doeth "truth" cometh to the light, "that his deeds" may be made manifest, that they "are wrought in God". (Not wrought in man)

I would prefer that you actually address my reply. But as is your custom, you must control the narrative and deflect from what Paul was actually teaching.

Nevertheless, the answer to your question is NO. I do not EVER listen to a religious video, or a sermon from someone who transformed himself into an apostle of God. Why on earth would I when I have all these men who God Chose and sent to me? If Solomon was corrupted by inviting other voices, besides the voice of God, into his mind, who am I to believe I can do the same and not also be corrupted? Am I stronger than Solomon? Even a nobody like me knows better than that. Why would I go to someone "OTHER THAN THE LIGHT" to make manifest my thoughts, beliefs and deeds, that they are not doctrines, traditions or philosophies of men, but are wrought in God?

I am on this forum to discuss scriptures, and seek and examine God's intent for giving them to us. I am not here to justify one worldly religious sect of business of this world over another, or promote the opinions or beliefs of one popular preacher of this world God placed me in, over another.

As to your inquiry "Everything you believe came only from Gods word without any human involvement except yourself"?

LOL, God Words were given to "Humans", created "For Humans", delivered to me according to His Will, "by Humans". So it would be stupid and dishonest to say there was no "Human involvement" in my understanding of Scriptures. But I do not Seek God's Kingdom or God's Righteousness by seeking out Humans of this world's religious system. Instead, I listen to those Humans who HE and His Son sent to me. There are called in the Scriptures, "Faithful men", and "The Congregation of the Lord".

Why is this concept so foreign to you? Perhaps you might "go the Light" to find out. Or you can cling to your judgments, your definition of Holy, your high days, and stay away from the Light, "lest your deeds should be reproved".

It is my hearts desire that you might ponder on these things, and come to trust the Holy Scriptures, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, and turn away from all the "other voices" which promote the doctrines and philosophies of this world's religious system.

 

[civic]

Well I'll ask you a question first. Among those who left Egypt on a journey to a place God had set apart for them, who among them left without influences of the Egyptians gods and traditions and teaching of the religious system of the world God placed them in?? Is it even possible that even ONE person didn't struggle with these influences along their journey? I bet Caleb and Joshua struggled with these influences until God drove them from their mind, little by little as God promised. I bet Abraham did as well when he left the religion of his fathers. We can see Peter's struggle on his journey to the promised land, with the commandments of men he was brought up in. In my understanding this is why God Sent the Light of the world, into the world in the first place. As it is written:

John 3:21 But he that doeth "truth" cometh to the light, "that his deeds" may be made manifest, that they "are wrought in God". (Not wrought in man)

I would prefer that you actually address my reply. But as is your custom, you must control the narrative and deflect from what Paul was actually teaching.

Nevertheless, the answer to your question is NO. I do not EVER listen to a religious video, or a sermon from someone who transformed himself into an apostle of God. Why on earth would I when I have all these men who God Chose and sent to me? If Solomon was corrupted by inviting other voices, besides the voice of God, into his mind, who am I to believe I can do the same and not also be corrupted? Am I stronger than Solomon? Even a nobody like me knows better than that. Why would I go to someone "OTHER THAN THE LIGHT" to make manifest my thoughts, beliefs and deeds, that they are not doctrines, traditions or philosophies of men, but are wrought in God?

I am on this forum to discuss scriptures, and seek and examine God's intent for giving them to us. I am not here to justify one worldly religious sect of business of this world over another, or promote the opinions or beliefs of one popular preacher of this world God placed me in, over another.

As to your inquiry "Everything you believe came only from Gods word without any human involvement except yourself"?

LOL, God Words were given to "Humans", created "For Humans", delivered to me according to His Will, "by Humans". So it would be stupid and dishonest to say there was no "Human involvement" in my understanding of Scriptures. But I do not Seek God's Kingdom or God's Righteousness by seeking out Humans of this world's religious system. Instead, I listen to those Humans who HE and His Son sent to me. There are called in the Scriptures, "Faithful men", and "The Congregation of the Lord".

Why is this concept so foreign to you? Perhaps you might "go the Light" to find out. Or you can cling to your judgments, your definition of Holy, your high days, and stay away from the Light, "lest your deeds should be reproved".

It is my hearts desire that you might ponder on these things, and come to trust the Holy Scriptures, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, and turn away from all the "other voices" which promote the doctrines and philosophies of this world's religious system.

That wasn't what I asked and you diverted it to preachers you don't agree with.

How about this, do you go to a church or have you in your past on a regular basis ? yes or no

a church where you affirm their teaching/preaching ? yes or no

 

[Studyman]

That wasn't what I asked and you diverted it to preachers you don't agree with.

I'm not playing your foolish word games Civic. It is you who are diverting from the content of my post. And I answered your question. It is you who post the philosophies and opinions of "other voices" in the garden God placed you in. You will not find one place in any of my posts over the years where I posted a video or a sermon of anyone other than the Holy Scriptures. While you post the opinions and doctrines of other men almost every day. This is undeniable Truth Civic. Now it is "YOU" who judge the opinions of one preacher of this world, over another preacher of this world. Not me. You only post the opinions and sermons and videos of the "other voices" in the garden that "You Agree with", those that align with your adopted religious philosophy. You don't post Ellen White sermons, John Calvin Sermons, or Russel's sermons. Because "YOU" don't agree with them.

I don't partake of this popular religious tradition of choosing between, or judging between the other religious voices of this world's religious system. YOU do.

I don't go to any other voice "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness", YOU do.

If I am teaching something that isn't Biblically sound, lets look at what the Scriptures say on the issue. Don't judge me by the opinions or philosophies of Taggert, or Sproul, or Wesley.

How about this, do you go to a church or have you in your past on a regular basis ? yes or no

I used to be in your religion. And lived by and promoted their religious philosophies. But I left your religion, to Yield myself to God, and my body as instruments of Righteousness unto God, as the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible" has taught since Cain and Abel.

a church where you affirm their teaching/preaching ? yes or no

We "affirm" and SEEK the teaching of the "congregation of the Lord". Not each other. We gather each week with Abraham, Moses, Caleb, Joshua, David, Isaiah, Peter, James, Paul and others, who make up God's Church in which the Jesus "of the Bible" is the Head, and His Father is the God and Father of us all. We affirm their teaching/preaching. We study their words and discuss how they apply to our lives now. Isn't this what Paul did?

Can you not see that Saul, as a Pharisee, "lived by" the doctrines and philosophies of the "Other voices", who "Professed to know God" in the garden God placed him in, and was corrupted? Can you not see that Eve "lived by" the other voice in the garden God placed them in, that "Professed to know God", and was corrupted? King Solomon, Judas, the Levite Priests, etc., were "ALL" corrupted by listening and harkening to Voices "Other" that Gods. This is undisputable.

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

Jer. 50: 6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Of all the examples of Faithful men given to us in the Holy Scriptures, which of them ever "speaks a vision of their own heart"?

I don't want to pick on you, Lord knows I love you. But you said, "In our fallen state we don’t respond well to truth"

I asked:

Eve had not fallen (type O) "Had Eve not Fell", when God told her His Truth. Was she then created in a fallen state? What is God's truth about Eve? Shall I ask another voice in the garden God placed me in, like Sproul, or Tackett, or Copeland or White?
Or shall I place my trust in the Holy Scriptures, and the God who inspired them to reveal to me His Truths in His Good time?

This is what i mean Civic. The men I fellowship with, study this in their own time to understand God's Truth about us. We are not gathered to promote or justify the opinions of Sproul, or Taggert or ANY other voice in the Bible. We can then trust God and His Word to reveal to us the answer the question "Did God therefore create Adam and Eve in a Fallen State" .

Does any of this matter? Perhaps not. But it is the Truth.

 

[Grace ambassador]

I don't want to rain on your parade and will not go point by point Civic

I'm pretty sure @civic will go "Point-By-Point" (500 Verses!) with anyone, on God's ​

Most Important Bible Doctrine, eh?:​

Why The Triune GodHead Is Correct!

Of course it may take years of "Point-By-Point" indications (?) since our precious friend @Pancho Frijoles has declared:

"@synergy For every verse that indicates that Jesus is God, there are more than 40 that indicate He is not"
(still wondering where is this document [ hidden? ] showing these more than 20,000 verses (not available???)

still "praying for all"... Amen.

 

[mailmandan]

Are you saying there is nothing in your belief that has ever come from a sermon, church, pastor, friend, radio, podcast , book, internet etc…..

Everything you believe came only from Gods word without any human involvement except yourself ?

Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.

 

[civic]

Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.

Amen

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Amen

To the trenches my friend . The words of the LORD are our meat .
And yes its even later than when i wrote that last night .
Onward in the trenches my friend .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.

Iron sharpens iron my friend
but the words of men shall sharpen none but rather dull the senses .
But EVERY WORD of the LORD doeth good unto the sheep .
To the trenches one and all . The hour is quite late and the time draws short
and only shorter by the hour . PARADISE awaits the sheep
and times on this earth will only worsen with whatever time we even have left .
So buckle up and strap on the armour of the LORD .
Let all who name the name of CHRIST be feasting daily on that bible too .

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I'm pretty sure @civic will go "Point-By-Point" (500 Verses!) with anyone, on God's ​

Most Important Bible Doctrine, eh?:​

Why The Triune GodHead Is Correct!

Of course it may take years of "Point-By-Point" indications (?) since our precious friend @Pancho Frijoles has declared:

"@synergy For every verse that indicates that Jesus is God, there are more than 40 that indicate He is not"
(still wondering where is this document [ hidden? ] showing these more than 20,000 verses (not available???)

still "praying for all"... Amen.

Hi Grace!

I can confirm that for every verse that is used to support the Trinity, there are about 40 which do not support it.
The only thing you have to do is to go to Biblegateway search engine and look for the word God, and see how it is treated in singular person. God, in the Bible, is a He. not a “They”. God is One Single Person, as far as the Bible goes.
The only way to see God as a Team or Council or “Special Shared Nature” is to read the Bible blinded to Jewish monotheism and stuck in Greek polytheism.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Hi Grace!

I can confirm that for every verse that is used to support the Trinity, there are about 40 which do not support it.
The only thing you have to do is to go to Biblegateway search engine and look for the word God, and see how it is treated in singular person. God, in the Bible, is a He. not a “They”. God is One Single Person, as far as the Bible goes.
The only way to see God as a Team or Council or “Special Shared Nature” is to read the Bible blinded to Jewish monotheism and stuck in Greek polytheism.

I can confirm that when one learns doctrines and precepts of men
That they will see into scripture that which is NOT even there .
WHY folks wont simply read the bible for themselves to learn and to grow .
Its easy to see the problem . Look at what has occured to another one on this site
He is so infected with an error
that now he even writes things like a car is not a car
People can easily be decieved . And men , specially in these days ,are keen to decieve this people
and it sure seems many love to be decieved .
The key is i seem to notice that they all have in common
one thing . NO true Zeal for GOD . Oh they can have zeal but its for the doctrines of their men
and not rather FOR TRUTH .
The solution is a real simple one . I give us the love to read the bible for yourself
challenge . Just read it and keep reading it and be in prayer to GOD .
DO not read it through the lens of men , through the denomination one sat unders view
JUST read it for yourself . Letters as a whole . Just enjoy the beauty of it .
THEN watch in time what would have happened . Men did a lot of massive damage.
And now we have this unifying force that sure seems keen on uniting
the lost within christendom with all other religoins that I KNOW are lost
and all thinking is THE PLAN of GOD for peace , its GOD its love . Talk about a serious delusion my friend .
SO my advice is Lets start fresh IN the bible for our own selves . Those who do this
sure seem , by grace to come to not only the same conclusions but THEM conclusions are the PURE simple truth .

 

[civic]

As to your inquiry "Everything you believe came only from Gods word without any human involvement except yourself"?

LOL, God Words were given to "Humans", created "For Humans", delivered to me according to His Will, "by Humans". So it would be stupid and dishonest to say there was no "Human involvement" in my understanding of Scriptures. But I do not Seek God's Kingdom or God's Righteousness by seeking out Humans of this world's religious system. Instead, I listen to those Humans who HE and His Son sent to me. There are called in the Scriptures, "Faithful men", and "The Congregation of the Lord".

Are these humans you call "faithful men" and the "congregation of the Lord" where you attend regularly for fellowship ?

ie in person ? face to face ?

 

[Studyman]

Are these humans you call "faithful men" and the "congregation of the Lord" where you attend regularly for fellowship ?

Actually Mr. mainstream preacher, it was the God of Abraham that "you profess to know", that called them "Faithful men" and the "Congregation of the Lord", some of whom actually walked with God. So you need to be corrected. Here, let me edit your post to reflect actual Biblical Truth.

"Are these humans God calls "faithful men" and the "congregation of the Lord" where you attend regularly for fellowship?

I was simply passing on God's Judgment on the Members of His Church, the Congregation of the Lord. It includes men of remarkable faith, like Paul, David, Abraham, Caleb, Daniel etc. Along with the eye witnesses of the Greatest Faith ever to be demonstrated by human flesh and Blood, the very Author and Finisher of my Faith, the "man of Sorrows", the Lord's Christ.

So yes, these men who were actually inspired by Almighty God, is who my family and I and a group of others who also trust their Words, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works", fellowship with. We join the Faithful congregation of the Lord every time we open up the God inspired Holy Scriptures.

The Jesus "of the Bible" engaged in the same fellowship.

Luke 24: 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

And the First Church of God under His New Priesthood covenant, "After the Order of Melchizedek" also engaged in the Same fellowship.

Acts 2: 1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

All united as one with the Congregation "of the Lord", as faithful men of God have been doing since Noah, a preacher of God's Righteousness.

ie in person ? face to face ?

Of course not you silly preacher. They are humans, they died and God has not yet sent His Christ to return and raise them from the dead.

That's why God had their stories written down for my admonition. LOL, if they were still alive and breathing, I would also fellowship with them. I'm pretty sure the Words God Spoke through them, would be the same.

 

[civic]

Actually Mr. mainstream preacher, it was the God of Abraham that "you profess to know", that called them "Faithful men" and the "Congregation of the Lord", some of whom actually walked with God. So you need to be corrected. Here, let me edit your post to reflect actual Biblical Truth.


I was simply passing on God's Judgment on the Members of His Church, the Congregation of the Lord. It includes men of remarkable faith, like Paul, David, Abraham, Caleb, Daniel etc. Along with the eye witnesses of the Greatest Faith ever to be demonstrated by human flesh and Blood, the very Author and Finisher of my Faith, the "man of Sorrows", the Lord's Christ.

So yes, these men who were actually inspired by Almighty God, is who my family and I and a group of others who also trust their Words, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works", fellowship with. We join the Faithful congregation of the Lord every time we open up the God inspired Holy Scriptures.

The Jesus "of the Bible" engaged in the same fellowship.

Luke 24: 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

And the First Church of God under His New Priesthood covenant, "After the Order of Melchizedek" also engaged in the Same fellowship.

Acts 2: 1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

All united as one with the Congregation "of the Lord", as faithful men of God have been doing since Noah, a preacher of God's Righteousness.




Of course not you silly preacher. They are humans, they died and God has not yet sent His Christ to return and raise them from the dead.

That's why God had their stories written down for my admonition. LOL, if they were still alive and breathing, I would also fellowship with them. I'm pretty sure the Words God Spoke through them, would be the same.

So you disobey Gods command in Hebrews 10:24-27 and forsake the assembly of believers. Good to know.

That habit of neglecting the assembly comes with a struck judgment. There are no lone rangers Christs church.