What is the Gospel

[brightfame52]

The Spirit of Christ in Peter teaches the opposite.

Acts 5; 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, "whom God hath given" to them that obey him.

I have no problem with that scripture. Obedience is evidence that the Spirit was given to one. Peter wrote in His Epistle 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

And we see in Acts 5:31 Jesus gives repentance ! Talking about cherry picking lol you cherry pick verses you dont even believe or understand partner

 

[Studyman]

I asked you: "What did God do to Adam and Eve after they made the wrong choice?"

They just did not make a wrong choice, they rebelled against their Creator.

OK Red, Since you always answer my questions, I think it is important the get this part right, according to Scriptures.

"Who made Adam and Eve rebel against their Creator"?

 

[brightfame52]

"Who made Adam and Eve rebel against their Creator"?

The first cause was the Sovereign will of God Ps 90:3

Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

Rom 8:20

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
The Hope was Redemptive through Christ setup and ordained before the world began, before Adam and eve began 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Now from this pov did Adam and Eve have a choice not to sin against God and frustrate His predetermined purpose in Christ ?

 

[Studyman]

I have no problem with that scripture. Obedience is evidence that the Spirit was given to one. Peter wrote in His Epistle 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

The obedience came first, according to Scriptures. The first Church of God under God's Prophesied New Priesthood, tarried in Jerusalem for months, observing Feast of Unleavened Bread, and counting the Sabbaths of God correctly so as to be gathered on His Holy Feast Pentecost, in obedience to His Statutes. It was "AFTER" they obeyed, that the Spirit of God was given to them.

This is simply Biblical truth that Peter recounted in Acts 5:29-32..

1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace "that is to be brought unto you" at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But as he which "hath called you" is holy, "so be ye holy" in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

So it is true that God knows the end from the beginning, and HE knew of those who would "Yield themselves" to God, and strive with all their heart and mind to "lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us", and "Be Holy, for God is Holy". It's a Lie to promote that although God instructs all men to be Holy, He only allows those who win the holy lottery, to be holy. As you preach to the world that a man has no choice in the matter.

The evil deceiver teaches that God picks winners and losers based on nothing they choose to do. And as anyone can see, who is interested in God's Truth, when more of Peter's Words are considered, this popular religious philosophy which you have adopted and are promoting to others, is not promoted by Peter.

2 Pet. 3: 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, (Because of these truths) beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, "be diligent" that ye "may be" found of him in peace, "without spot, and blameless".

Of course for Calvinists this doesn't apply, as you have hit to holy lottery, are already eternally secured, based on no choice that you made. So you can't use this sentence from Peter to support your adopted philosophy.

And we see in Acts 5:31 Jesus gives repentance ! Talking about cherry picking lol you cherry pick verses you dont even believe or understand partner

I know you are not allowed by your religion to answer my questions, but in case you become renewed in the spirit of your mind, did Jesus give the following Jews "Repentance"?

Matt. 7: 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matt. 23: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

So in you and Red Bakers adopted religion, God chose, based on nothing they did, to withhold from these Jews, His Righteousness and "repentance".

And you again, cherry pick one verse in Peters Holy Spirit Inspired Words in Acts 5:29-32, and twist it to promote the religious philosophy that God's Salvation is nothing more than a holy lottery.

I really don't believe that is Peter's message at all, but my understanding is based on all of his Words, not just the words that can be used to promote some random religious philosophy that exists in the world God placed us in.

But you are free to "Yield yourself" servants to obey, whomever you choose to obey.

 

[Studyman]

The first cause was the Sovereign will of God Ps 90:3

Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

Rom 8:20

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
The Hope was Redemptive through Christ setup and ordained before the world began, before Adam and eve began 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Now from this pov did Adam and Eve have a choice not to sin against God and frustrate His predetermined purpose in Christ ?

So then, your answer is God created them totally depraved, with a Sin Nature, and still punished them for sinning.

 

[brightfame52]

The obedience came first,

No it doesnt, I just showed you

 

[brightfame52]

So then, your answer is God created them totally depraved, with a Sin Nature, and still punished them for sinning.

I just posted my answer, what does it say ? You cant comprehend

 

[Studyman]

I just posted my answer, what does it say ? You cant comprehend

Your answer is that God predestined them, by no choice of their own, to disobey Him, then HE punished them and the whole world, "because" they disobeyed Him.

You might be able to take one sentence from the middle of 1 Peter, separate it from the rest of the Bible, and twist it to justify this judgment against God. But when all of Peter's teaching is considered, this philosophy you have adopted is proven false.

Just because God knew the first Adam would fall, but the 2nd Adam would not fall, because HE knows the End from the Beginning, doesn't mean God "made" Adam fall, through no choice that he made, or "Made" Jesus not fall, through no choice HE made.

Ps. 45: 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore (Because of this Choice HE made) God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

There is a wicked and evil judgment against God promoted by the religious system of this world that call Him Lord, Lord, that preaches God created mankind, and gave them laws, but withheld from them the ability or capacity to obey Him. Then HE lied to them, and told them they can obey Him, then punished and slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't.

This same religious system also promotes a Christ that pretended to come to earth as a man, but reserved unto Himself God powers that HE withheld from all other humans. That HE required them to overcome by "Faith", while HE overcame because HE reserved God Powers unto Himself no other human was allowed to have. And they preach that HE overcame temptation in this world, "because" of these God powers HE reserved unto Himself, that HE wouldn't allow any other human to have. Then, when HE overcame because of these powers ANY human could also overcome with, had HE not withheld the powers from them, HE Glorified Himself above all other humans, and gave Himself a Name above all other humans.

That is not the Jesus of the Bible.

I advocate that man believe "All things written in the Law and Prophets", and that they choose from the heart, to live by EVERY Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. That is the Gospel of Christ.

And that we believe Paul's teaching. Not just the words you promote to justify an adopted religion, but all of Paul's teaching.

Phil. 3: 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

I'm sure you will want the last word.

 

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

So I made nothing up out of left field. You cherry picked these scriptures to promote your adopted religious philosophy. Everyone knows it. But when a person considers all of Paul's and the Spirit of Christ through David's words, your man-made philosophy falls apart.

John 2:25​

“And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.”

The Lord Jesus clearly taught human depravity, and so does all of his servants.

• Bondage of the Will: Unregenerate humans are considered "slaves to sin" (John 8:34), meaning their will is in bondage to their sinful nature. Consequently, they are unable and unwilling to turn to God on their own.
• Biblical Basis: Key passages often cited include Jeremiah 17:9 ("The heart is deceitful above all things"), Romans 3:10-12 ("None is righteous"), and Ephesians 2:1 ("dead in trespasses and sins").
• Jesus’ Teaching: Jesus taught that evil originates from within the human heart (Mark 7:15–23), describing it as the source of adultery, theft, murder, and other sins. He stated that no one can come to him unless the Father draws them (John 6:44).
• Satan's ministers: Reject the word of God on so many scriptures showing just how wicked man is by nature apart from God restraining his evil and wicked heart.
• Men of God: Since the apostles have faithfully preach against man's will having a part of his salvation from sin and condemnation. John 1:13 https://www.1517.org/articles/an-introduction-to-the-bondage-of-the-will-a-historical-introduction https://ccel.org/ccel/pink/sovereignty/sovereignty.xi.html
• https://store.veritaspress.com/site/assets/Downloads/318010-the-bondage-of-the-will-lis.pdf

 

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

"Who made Adam and Eve rebel against their Creator"?

So, you just keep asking me questions without answering mine? Okay, no problem.

No one made them rebel against God~God left them to themselves and since they were created, it was inevitable that they would sin~again, God alone is in immutable.

I'm leaving to go out of town, be back later.

 

[brightfame52]

Your answer is that God predestined them,

What is it you dont understand about the post, its crystal clear.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/what-is-the-gospel.35/page-31#post-232983 post 603

 

[Studyman]

What is it you dont understand about the post, its crystal clear.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/what-is-the-gospel.35/page-31#post-232983 post 603

You do to my words, what you do to Gods, you pick and choose to justify yourself.

 

[Studyman]

@Studyman

So, you just keep asking me questions without answering mine? Okay, no problem.

No one made them rebel against God~God left them to themselves and since they were created, it was inevitable that they would sin~again, God alone is in immutable.

You didn't answer my question Red. You diverted. Adam rebelled against God, by whose power did he rebel? Where did he get the power? It had to come from somewhere, they were created perfect human beings in God's image.

And how is it possible that Adam and Eve can leave the presence of the Spirit of God in His Garden? Did God not know the snake was there? If you left your child alone with a snake, and it bit your child, whose fault would that be Red? And would you then punish the bitten child because you left it alone with the snake?

This is what i mean about the leaven in man's heart. They Judge God as incompetent and unjust, and then reads their judgment into every scrupture.

 

[brightfame52]

You do to my words, what you do to Gods, you pick and choose to justify yourself.

You just resisting truth

 

[Studyman]

@Studyman

@Studyman, let me ask you a question, since I just answered one for you: "Why was it imperative for Christ to come as a substitute for his people, to live and die, and resurrect again from the grave?"

Because God cannot lie.

Gen. 2: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Christ offered Himself to pay her death, so she could "Go and sin no more".