What is the Gospel

Studyman said:
According to the Holy Scriptures, the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible" is "Repent:" for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Jesus confirmed His Same Gospel before HE ascended.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and "remission of sins" should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

This was the same Gospel offered to Abraham. "Deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow Christ". Abraham knew who would provide for the remission of his sins. I posted his own words showing this, but you don't believe.



The 12 Disciples didn't have the Faith of Shadrack, Meshack, David, Daniel, Abraham. They all scattered, Judas betrayed Him, Peter denied Him. Even after 3 years walking and listening to Him they still didn't believe Him until after HE was raised from the dead.

Matt. 26: 40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they "that have not seen", and yet have believed.

God didn't hide from them the ability to "deny themselves, pick up their cross and follow Him" in belief. But HE does hide from them the mystery of His will, until they "Yield themselves" unto Him. Clearly the Disciples had not yet yielded themselves to God.

But Zacharias believed the Word of God without seeing Him, and Simeon believed the Word of God without seeing Him, Abraham believed the Word of God without seeing Him.

John 7: 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which "they that believe on him should receive": for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

But Jesus was Glorified in Zacharias, Simeon and Anna even before He was born. They Glorified Him before HE was murdered and was raised from the dead. But Peter denied Him, Judas betrayed Him. It's right there in your own Bible, it's just that your religion will not allow you to believe. Jesus even tells you about a future where "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, will refuse to Glorify Him. It is the Life of Jesus that pleased God. Not His Murder.

For those who might be reading along. What was the significance of Israel creating an image of God after the likeness of the sacrifice?

Seek to know God and His Righteousness Civic, not just seeking justification for an adopted religion. That is the "course of this world".




Actually, here is what Paul said.

Rom. 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Secret from who? Certainly from Paul when he was persecuting the church of God who gathered on Pentecost.

Certainly from the Disciples who had not "Yielded themselves" to God, but abandoned Jesus in His trial of Faith.

Certainly from Joseph and Mary, Luke 2: 33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

But not from Simeon, "For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel."

Certainly Not Abraham.

Gen. 22: 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

John 8: 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Will you cast stones at Him as well, for exposing a fallacy, or just adopt a Jesus whose day Abraham, Zacharias and Simeon didn't see.

26 But "now" is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

What Spirit made manifest this same Christ to Simeon? Of course you are not allowed to answer.

Yes, Jesus trumps me. He trumps you as well. All I'm advocating is to "be diligent that we may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless", But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them" "that diligently seek him".

We see a body of believers after the Resurrection of Jesus, diligently seeking Him, just as Zacharias, Simeon and Anna had strived to do.


Because they didn't believe Him until after HE Rose from the dead. But afterwards, after they were ashamed, and repented, they did believe, and they did "Yield themselves" to God in obedience, as Jesus instructed. And THEN God gave them His Holy Spirit that Peter teaches God Gives to all that obey Him. The same Spirit Zacharias and Simeon and Anna were given, for the same reason. In the Kingdom of God there is only ONE Spirit, and ONE faith.

Zacharias, Simeon, Abraham, Caleb, these few, this Remnant received this One Spirit because of their belief/Faith. Nothing Jesus, Paul, or any Scriptures say, make these Truths untrue.
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nope not until after Pentecost when they were born again of the Spirit- they were not in the OT.

the people in the OT did not understand the life, death, resurrection of the Messiah. neither did anyone in the NT until after His Resurrection - non of them understood the gospel.

in fact you don't understand the gospel either, its hidden from you just like it was the disciples. Jesus has yet top open your mind/heart to understand the true gospel.

next fallacy.........
 
Darby said:
I believe that salvation is conditional. The condition is we must believe the truth and accept Christ as our Savior.
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Okay, so now you contradict what you said at first, pretending you believe Salvation is by the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, you dont believe that. You believe its conditional on what man does, like believe, accept thats a works base salvation sir
 
brightfame52 said:
Okay, so now you contradict what you said at first, pretending you believe Salvation is by the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, you dont believe that. You believe its conditional on what man does, like believe, accept thats a works base salvation sir
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No sir, the condition or "mans part" is we must believe the truth of the cross and the resurrection and accept Christ as our Savior. If man is not a part of that equation we would be robots.
 
civic said:
nope not until after Pentecost when they were born again of the Spirit- they were not in the OT.
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The Christ of the Bible disagree with you.

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

This "I" is the Rock, the Holy One of Israel, the Christ "of the bible", Yes? The Word of God that became flesh?

So Abram was told by the Christ "of the Bible" here to "deny himself, pick up his cross and follow Him", Yes? This is the Christ, the Word of God that became flesh in your understanding too , is it not?

So how can you preach to others that Abram didn't "put on the new man, which after God (Rock if Israel) is created in righteousness and true holiness." And the New Man was then called Abraham?

And did Abraham follow the Christ, as HE instructed? Well here is what the Word of God that became flesh said; "and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

And Zacharias, did the Same Christ also Inspire it to be written that Zacharias obeyed my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Let's hear His Inspired words.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

And like Abraham, didn't the Spirit of Christ teach you and I that Zacharias also saw Jesus' Day and was glad?

"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

All of this before the Disciples gathered on Pentecost.

Now you would have me believe that the Holy Spirit, that Peter says God gives to those who obey Him, didn't exist before Pentecost. And further more, that if it did exist, it would hide from the faithful Remnant who had denied themselves, their family, the religion of their parents and followed the Holy One of Israel, and had put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness, the Gospel of Christ.

I understand your gospel perfectly Civic, I just choose to believe the Christ "of the Bible's" Gospel. I would invite you to do the same.
 
Studyman said:
The Christ of the Bible disagree with you.

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

This "I" is the Rock, the Holy One of Israel, the Christ "of the bible", Yes? The Word of God that became flesh?

So Abram was told by the Christ "of the Bible" here to "deny himself, pick up his cross and follow Him", Yes? This is the Christ, the Word of God that became flesh in your understanding too , is it not?

So how can you preach to others that Abram didn't "put on the new man, which after God (Rock if Israel) is created in righteousness and true holiness." And the New Man was then called Abraham?

And did Abraham follow the Christ, as HE instructed? Well here is what the Word of God that became flesh said; "and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

And Zacharias, did the Same Christ also Inspire it to be written that Zacharias obeyed my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Let's hear His Inspired words.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

And like Abraham, didn't the Spirit of Christ teach you and I that Zacharias also saw Jesus' Day and was glad?

"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

All of this before the Disciples gathered on Pentecost.

Now you would have me believe that the Holy Spirit, that Peter says God gives to those who obey Him, didn't exist before Pentecost. And further more, that if it did exist, it would hide from the faithful Remnant who had denied themselves, their family, the religion of their parents and followed the Holy One of Israel, and had put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness, the Gospel of Christ.

I understand your gospel perfectly Civic, I just choose to believe the Christ "of the Bible's" Gospel. I would invite you to do the same.
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Nice try if you truly understood the biblical gospel you would agree with me since mine is identical to Jesus and the Apostles. That proves you don’t know the biblical gospel in the exact same way you don’t know the biblical God since you espouse Unitarianism.

Next fallacy
 
@Darby
Darby said:
No sir, the condition or "mans part" is we must believe the truth of the cross and the resurrection and accept Christ as our Savior. If man is not a part of that equation we would be robots.
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No, it would mean just as the scriptures said: We were dead in tresspasses and sins ~ and the same power that raised Jesus from the dead is the very same power that resurrects God's elect form from dead in sins to life in Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:19​

“And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,”
 
@Darby
Darby said:
Do you think faith in Jesus is a work also?
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Yes it is and it is a work that is so imperfect, which should prove to folks that their faith is not the means of their legal justification, since it is so imperfect, and the law of God demands perfection before it will justify anyone, which should prove to you and others, that our faith is not the means of our legal justification.
Darby said:
John 3:16–18 – “Whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life… whoever does not believe is condemned already.”

John 8:24 – “Unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

John 12:48 – “The one who rejects me and does not receive (believe) my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.”
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Sir, these scriptures are not conditions to be done before one can have eternal life, but each one of these scriptures are stating a biblical declaration of a biblical truth, a big difference btw.
 
Red Baker said:
@Darby

Yes it is and it is a work that is so imperfect, which should prove to folks that their faith is not the means of their legal justification, since it is so imperfect, and the law of God demands perfection before it will justify anyone, which should prove to you and others, that our faith is not the means of our legal justification.
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But that is precisely why the Law of God is incapable of saving anyone, and that is why it is a man's faith, not his perfect works, that is the means through which God by His grace saves the sinner.
Red Baker said:
Sir, these scriptures are not conditions to be done before one can have eternal life, but each one of these scriptures are stating a biblical declaration of a biblical truth, a big difference btw.
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Yes, the biblical declaration in John 3:16 is that believing in Jesus is the prerequisite for being given eternal life.
 
Jesus clearly taught in John 3:16 that He will save anyone who believes in Him: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

This “whoever” includes you and every other person in the world.

The Bible says that, if salvation were based on our own efforts, no one could be saved.

“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23

”We cannot save ourselves. Instead, we are saved when we believe in Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:10 “There is no one righteous, not even one. Romans 3:10

We are saved by God’s grace, and grace, by definition, cannot be earned.

“It is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2:8–9


We do not deserve salvation; we simply receive it by faith.
 
civic said:
Some have as the Bible declares another jesus and another gospel which Paul says is anathema
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This is true. There is another jesus promoted by this world's religions, or as the Jesus of the bible referred to as "Many who come in His Name". This "other jesus" being promoted by many who profess to know God, wasn't a man of Faith. They promote a jesus that had NO FAITH. They claim HE didn't need Faith, that HE required of all other humans, because HE came to earth as God and HE reserved unto Himself God powers that HE withheld from all other humans. And HE overcame sin and temptation "because" of these God Powers HE reserved unto Himself, and HE just pretended to be tempted in all ways as other humans. Then when HE overcame sin and temptation using these Powers HE withheld for all other Humans, HE Glorified Himself, pretended to be dead for 3 days, and then gave Himself a Name above all other humans. It is truly an evil and wicked Judgment against the Jesus "of the bible" and was created by the prince of this world to demean His dedication, Love and Faith in His Father by "humbling himself, and becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross".

Implying that Jesus placed the burden of faith on the backs of all other humans, that HE Himself would not lift with One Finger.

I have argued with mainstream preachers on this forum about this very thing.

They also claim that this same Jesus, was the God of the OT who created Laws impossible for men to obey, then placed these impossible Laws on the backs of men who trusted Him, then lied to them about their ability to obey Him, then slaughtered men by the thousands when they didn't obey. While it is true the Jesus "of the bible" is the Word of God who created and Promoted God's Righteousness, the Christ of the Bible would never engage in such wickedness, in my view based on what is actually written in Scriptures.

Jesus warned about a "Many" who would call Him Lord, Lord, preach in His Name, and claim to cast out demons in His Name, and do many wonderful works all in His Name.

But the real Jesus tells us. "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".

Clearly they had adopted "another jesus", and were promoting iniquity in his name.

If Jesus and the Prophets and Apostles of the Christ "of the Bible" warn about these things, it seem important to consider them.

This is why, in my view it is important to SEEK to know God and to Seek His Righteousness as the Jesus "of the bible" instructs. As opposed to endlessly, "Seeking Justification" of an adopted religion.
 
Darby said:
Jesus clearly taught in John 3:16 that He will save anyone who believes in Him: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

This “whoever” includes you and every other person in the world.

The Bible says that, if salvation were based on our own efforts, no one could be saved.

“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23

”We cannot save ourselves. Instead, we are saved when we believe in Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:10 “There is no one righteous, not even one. Romans 3:10

We are saved by God’s grace, and grace, by definition, cannot be earned.

“It is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2:8–9


We do not deserve salvation; we simply receive it by faith.
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Keep that in mind always and forever .
Because i am telling us all
that another false gospel by means of ecumeincal interfaith
has come in by a false love in order to lie and make it seem like every religoin has its own path to GOD .
Its all a lie . Muslims , unbelieving jews , and all other religoins , including atheism , agnositics and etc
ARE ST ILL T RAPPED in darkness and bondage of satan and in death .
WE have GOT to BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST to be saved .
And all who fail to do so , all who beleive not the testimony that GOD gave of the son ,
they are calling GOD a liar , just like john said in his le tter to the churches .
AND let us remember one more thing .
JESUS never was or has been the minstir of sin . That means
HE does not support any sin . Not homosexuality , not lies , not love of money
no sin . So if anyone is even cliaming to beieve on JESUS
and YET honors and justifies their own sins , THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM .
THEY came to the wrong jesus and love the wrong jesus who simply accepts Their lustful desires .
 
civic said:
Some have as the Bible declares another jesus and another gospel which Paul says is anathema
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Some has become MANY .
many DO now follow another jesus .
So allow me some parting words
IF ANYONES JESUS
has a problem with correcting sin and error within the beleivers
IT AINT JESUS .
If anyones JESUS hollers judge not and uses that to justify sin and stop correction of sin
ITS NOT JESUS .
THERE IS THE LOVE OF THE WORLD and THERE IS THE LOVE OF GOD .
THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME and are CONTRARY the one to the other .
And if any thinks i am wrong about that
I INVITE US ALL to go back into the bible for ourselves and YOU SEE how the trues one
AS WELL AS JESUS HIMSELF did things .
When i warned us long ago that ecumincalism interfaith is bad news I MEANT IT .
GEt anyone and everyone outta such places . Get them rather BACK INto the bible to learn NOW .
 
brightfame52 said:
Yes because we are saved before we receive the knowledge and assurance of it.
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So you were saved and didn't know it? Interesting. You didn't know Jesus and yet you were saved.

The truth is salvation follows from, and is conditional upon, belief thru Faith. Closely allied with the word faith is the word believe.

We are saved when we believe in Jesus Christ.
One thing is for certain—you will be saved, if you receive Jesus Christ as your Savior!
 
Darby said:
So you were saved and didn't know it? Interesting. You didn't know Jesus and yet you were saved.

The truth is salvation follows from, and is conditional upon, belief thru Faith. Closely allied with the word faith is the word believe.

We are saved when we believe in Jesus Christ.
One thing is for certain—you will be saved, if you receive Jesus Christ as your Savior!
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Dead and didn’t know it, born again and didn’t know it, just incredible and unbiblical
 

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