What is the Gospel

Abraham believed the Gospel Gal 3:8-9

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Also believing the Gospel isnt a condition for salvation, its a message to them who are already saved. As long as one belongs to the election of grace and Christ died for their sins, they are saved, they will find out about it by the Gospel.
nope He believed the good news which is not the same as the gospel the N.T. believers understand.

I will let your own calvinist from your own camp educate you on this truth - Barnes

Preached before the gospel - This translation does not convey quite the idea to us, which the language of Paul, in the original, would to the people to whom he addressed it. We have affixed a technical sense to the phrase "to preach the gospel." It is applied to the formal and public annunciation of the truths of religion, especially the "good news" of a Saviour's birth, and of redemption by his blood. But we are not required by the language used here to suppose that this was done to Abraham, or that "the gospel" was preached to him in the sense in which we all now use that phrase. The expression, in Greek προευηγγελίσατο proeuēngelisato, means merely, "the joyful news was announced beforehand to Abraham;" scil. that in him should all the nations of the earth be blessed. It was implied, indeed, that it would be by the Messiah; but the distinct point of the "good news" was not the "gospel" as we understand it, but it was that somehow through him all the nations of the earth would be made happy. Tyndale has well translated it," Showed beforehand glad tidings unto Abraham." This translation should have been adopted in our common version.
 
Did they know God is Triune too ?
They knew the word "Elohim" is Plural

They also knew that Elohim holds all things together by His Word.

They suspected that the Word was Elohim but did not know how or in what capacity.

Some OT saints was given some understanding by the Holy Spirit = 1 Peter 1:10-12

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.

REJOICE as we draw Closer to His Second Coming
 
you make that claim after the fact looking back- but to them they did not know God would become Incarnate and die for the sins of the world- that was a mystery kept hidded until it was revealed in the N.T. and that the gospel would be for the whole world, everyone, Jews and Gentiles alike. This message was hidden from everyone until Jesus made it known to His Apostles. They did not understand it until after His death and Resurrection. Jesus had to open their minds to understand the gospel.

We know that the disciples did not understand the gospel as it was hidden from them until after Pentecost. Jesus even said that He hid it from them.

Luke 9:43-45
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” 45 But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.

Luke 18:34
But the disciples did not understand any of these things. The meaning was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend what He was saying

Jesus passed on the gospel to His Disciples. Its the same Gospel but Christ had not suffered, died, risen yet. The disciples didn't understand the Passion until after His Resurrection, they were in denial.

Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.” — John 13:7, 19

After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. John 2:22

From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. — Matthew 16:21

Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!” — Matthew 20:17-19

After His Resurrection

He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. — Luke 24:25-27

He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.Luke 24:44-45
The NT Scriptures you posted testify to JESUS explaining "what was Written about Him in the OT Scirptures

Just like a Mystery Movie, the Word was given to them with more and more unfolding as Time went Forward

From Genesis to Revelation = No one can figure out the mysteries of God except by His Spirit and the Word

Then he opened their minds so they could understand the OT Scriptures.Luke 24:44-45
From Genesis to Revelation = No one can figure out the mysteries of God except by His Spirit and the Word
 
nope He believed the good news which is not the same as the gospel the N.T. believers understand.

I will let your own calvinist from your own camp educate you on this truth - Barnes

Preached before the gospel - This translation does not convey quite the idea to us, which the language of Paul, in the original, would to the people to whom he addressed it. We have affixed a technical sense to the phrase "to preach the gospel." It is applied to the formal and public annunciation of the truths of religion, especially the "good news" of a Saviour's birth, and of redemption by his blood. But we are not required by the language used here to suppose that this was done to Abraham, or that "the gospel" was preached to him in the sense in which we all now use that phrase. The expression, in Greek προευηγγελίσατο proeuēngelisato, means merely, "the joyful news was announced beforehand to Abraham;" scil. that in him should all the nations of the earth be blessed. It was implied, indeed, that it would be by the Messiah; but the distinct point of the "good news" was not the "gospel" as we understand it, but it was that somehow through him all the nations of the earth would be made happy. Tyndale has well translated it," Showed beforehand glad tidings unto Abraham." This translation should have been adopted in our common version.
Abraham believed the NT Gospel as GOD showed it to him directly in Abraham/Sarah and Isaac's lives = John 8:56

"Abraham your father rejoiced in that he should see My day--and he saw it and rejoiced."
 
Abraham believed the NT Gospel as GOD showed it to him directly in Abraham/Sarah and Isaac's lives = John 8:56

"Abraham your father rejoiced in that he should see My day--and he saw it and rejoiced."

Of course you are right here, Biblically Speaking. The Bible itself says there was always a remnant that believed the Gospel. Both Noah and Abraham understood what the sacrifices foreshadowed, just as Caleb, Shadrack, Zacharias and Simeon did.

Civic means well perhaps, but he doesn't understand the implication of his adopted religious philosophy.

That God Added a Law to Israel out of Mercy towards them, after the golden calf, that foreshadowed the sacrifices that the Holy One of Israel would make for them, as Prophesied in Scriptures. This Law was to "Lead them to Christ", and was to be in place, "Till the Seed (Christ" should come". And it did for the Faithful who Yielded themselves to God, like David, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, as the Scriptures clearly show.

To believe this world's religions, and by extension Civic, I would have to ignore so much of what is actually written in Scriptures and be convinced instead, that God Failed to lead even ONE person to the Messiah through the Law Paul himself teaches was added for that very purpose, and was added "till the Seed should come".
Of course the actual Scriptures doesn't promote such a philosophy.

God for you David, for sticking with Scriptures.
 
Of course you are right here, Biblically Speaking. The Bible itself says there was always a remnant that believed the Gospel. Both Noah and Abraham understood what the sacrifices foreshadowed, just as Caleb, Shadrack, Zacharias and Simeon did.

Civic means well perhaps, but he doesn't understand the implication of his adopted religious philosophy.

That God Added a Law to Israel out of Mercy towards them, after the golden calf, that foreshadowed the sacrifices that the Holy One of Israel would make for them, as Prophesied in Scriptures. This Law was to "Lead them to Christ", and was to be in place, "Till the Seed (Christ" should come". And it did for the Faithful who Yielded themselves to God, like David, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, as the Scriptures clearly show.

To believe this world's religions, and by extension Civic, I would have to ignore so much of what is actually written in Scriptures and be convinced instead, that God Failed to lead even ONE person to the Messiah through the Law Paul himself teaches was added for that very purpose, and was added "till the Seed should come".
Of course the actual Scriptures doesn't promote such a philosophy.

God for you David, for sticking with Scriptures.
The fact the two of you agree lets me know I’m on the right course and my compass heading is correct. :)
 
Of course you are right here, Biblically Speaking. The Bible itself says there was always a remnant that believed the Gospel. Both Noah and Abraham understood what the sacrifices foreshadowed, just as Caleb, Shadrack, Zacharias and Simeon did.

Civic means well perhaps, but he doesn't understand the implication of his adopted religious philosophy.

That God Added a Law to Israel out of Mercy towards them, after the golden calf, that foreshadowed the sacrifices that the Holy One of Israel would make for them, as Prophesied in Scriptures. This Law was to "Lead them to Christ", and was to be in place, "Till the Seed (Christ" should come". And it did for the Faithful who Yielded themselves to God, like David, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, as the Scriptures clearly show.

To believe this world's religions, and by extension Civic, I would have to ignore so much of what is actually written in Scriptures and be convinced instead, that God Failed to lead even ONE person to the Messiah through the Law Paul himself teaches was added for that very purpose, and was added "till the Seed should come".
Of course the actual Scriptures doesn't promote such a philosophy.

God for you David, for sticking with Scriptures.
and the seed shall come doesn't equate to understanding the life, death, burial, resurrection, appearances ,ascension of Jesus as the gospel message.

as I have demonstrated not even the 12 disciples who lived with Jesus for 3 years every day listening to Him teaching on the topic did not understand it. So I will stick with what Jesus said and taught about them not understanding and Paul who said it was a mystery that was hidden until after His Resurrection/Ascension.

Jesus trumps you 24/7.


We know that the disciples did not understand the gospel as it was hidden from them until after Pentecost. Jesus even said that He hid it from them.

Luke 9:43-45

While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” 45 But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.

See it was hidden from them just like Jesus and Paul said- a mystery hidden until it was revelaed.

Luke 18:34

But the disciples did not understand any of these things. The meaning was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend what He was saying

Jesus passed on the gospel to His Disciples. Its the same Gospel but Christ had not suffered, died, risen yet. The disciples didn't understand the Passion until after His Resurrection, they were in denial.

Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.” — John 13:7, 19

After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. John 2:22

From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. — Matthew 16:21

Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!” — Matthew 20:17-19

After His Resurrection

He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. — Luke 24:25-27

He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.Luke 24:44-45

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Of course you are right here, Biblically Speaking. The Bible itself says there was always a remnant that believed the Gospel. Both Noah and Abraham understood what the sacrifices foreshadowed, just as Caleb, Shadrack, Zacharias and Simeon did.

Civic means well perhaps, but he doesn't understand the implication of his adopted religious philosophy.

That God Added a Law to Israel out of Mercy towards them, after the golden calf, that foreshadowed the sacrifices that the Holy One of Israel would make for them, as Prophesied in Scriptures. This Law was to "Lead them to Christ", and was to be in place, "Till the Seed (Christ" should come". And it did for the Faithful who Yielded themselves to God, like David, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, as the Scriptures clearly show.

To believe this world's religions, and by extension Civic, I would have to ignore so much of what is actually written in Scriptures and be convinced instead, that God Failed to lead even ONE person to the Messiah through the Law Paul himself teaches was added for that very purpose, and was added "till the Seed should come".
Of course the actual Scriptures doesn't promote such a philosophy.

God for you David, for sticking with Scriptures.
@civic is our Brother in CHRIST and he is Strong in the Faith of our LORD Jesus Christ.

He is and has been a Blessing to us all and we should all be learning from one another yet always staying Firm on the Scriptures without adding to Them or taking away from Them.

All of us should earnestly contend for the ONE Faith that has been Given from Above and is Written down for us to Follow.

We need to let go of any teaching/doctrine that contradicts the words of CHRIST, the Apostles and the OT/NT Scriptures.
 
Its only one Gospel
gospel can mean just good news and not the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ

Lexical Summary
euaggelion: Gospel, Good News
Original Word: εὐαγγέλιον
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: euaggelion
Pronunciation: yoo-ang-GHEL-ee-on
Phonetic Spelling: (yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on)
KJV: gospel
NASB: gospel, gospel's, good news
Word Origin: [from G2095 (εὖ - well) and G32 (ἄγγελος - Angel)]

1. (properly) a good message
2. (specially) the good news of redemption through Jesus (i.e. the gospel of Jesus)
3. (also called) the good news
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
good news, gospel.
From the same as euaggelizo; a good message, i.e. The gospel -- gospel.
see GREEK euaggelizo
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 2098 euaggélionthe Gospel – literally, "God's good news." See 2097 (euangelizō). The Gospel (2098 /euaggélion) includes the entire Bible, i.e. it is not limited to how a person becomes a Christian.​

Thayer's Greek Lexicon​

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2098: εὐαγγέλιον

εὐαγγέλιον, εὐαγγελίου, τό (εὐάγγελος (cf. εὐαγγελίζω)), Hebrew בְּשׂורָה and בְּשֹׂרָה;
1. a reward for good tidings (cf. τά διδασκαλία, the fees given the διδάσκαλος), Homer, Odyssey 14, 152; Cicero, ad Att. 2, 3 and 12; 13, 40; Plutarch, Demetr. 17; Ages. 33; the Sept. 2 Samuel 4:10.

2. good tidings: Lucian, asin. 26; Appendix,

b. civ. 4, 20; Plutarch; others; plural the Sept. 2 Samuel 18:22, 25, common text; but in each place εὐαγγελία should apparently be restored, on account of 2 Samuel 18:20 ἀνήρ εὐαγγελίας. In the N. T., specifically,

a. the glad tidings of the kingdom of God soon to be set up, and subsequently also of Jesus, the Messiah, the founder of this kingdom: Mark 1:15; Mark 8:35; Mark 10:29; Mark 13:10; Mark 14:9; Mark 16:15; Matthew 26:13; with a genitive of the object added: τῆς βασιλείας, Matthew 4:23; Matthew 9:35; Matthew 24:14; Mark 1:14 R L brackets After the death of Christ the term τό εὐαγγέλιον comprises also the preaching of (concerning) Jesus Christ as having suffered death on the cross to procure eternal salvation for men in the kingdom of God, but as restored to life and exalted to the right hand of God in heaven, thence to return in majesty to consummate the kingdom of God; so that it may be more briefly defined as "the glad tidings of salvation through Christ; the proclamation of the grace of God manifested and pledged in Christ; the gospel" (A-S. god-spell (see Skeat, Etymological Dictionary, under the word)): Acts 15:7; Romans 1:16 G L T Tr WH; ; 1 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 9:14, 18 (G L T Tr WH), ; ; 2 Corinthians 8:18; Galatians 2:2; Ephesians 3:6; Ephesians 6:19 (L WH brackets ἐυαγελιον); Philippians 1:5, 7, 12, 17 (); (, cf. εἰς, B. II. 2 d.); Philippians 4:3 (, cf. Clement of Rome, 1 Cor. 47, 2 [ET]); 1 Thessalonians 2:4; 2 Timothy 1:8, 10; with a genitive of the object, the gospel concerning etc.: τοῦ Χριστοῦ (cf. Winer's Grammar, 186f (175f)), Romans 1:16 Rec.; Rec.; 1 Corinthians 9:12, 18 (Rec.); 2 Corinthians 2:12; 2 Corinthians 9:13; 2 Corinthians 10:14; Galatians 1:7; Philippians 1:27; 1 Thessalonians 3:2; τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, 2 Thessalonians 1:8 (T Tr WH omit; L brackets Χριστοῦ); τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ Θεοῦ, Romans 1:9 cf. Mark 1:1; τῆς σωτηρίας ὑμῶν, Ephesians 1:13; τῆς εἰρήνης, Ephesians 6:15; τῆς χάριτος τοῦ Θεοῦ, Acts 20:24; τῆς δόξης τοῦ μακαρίου Θεοῦ, 1 Timothy 1:11; τῆς δόξης τοῦ Χριστοῦ, 2 Corinthians 4:4. ἡ ἀλήθεια τοῦ εὐαγγελίου, the truth contained in the gospel (cf. Winer's Grammar, 236 (221f)), Galatians 2:5, 14; Colossians 1:5; ἡ ἐλπίς τοῦ εὐαγγελίου, the hope which the gospel awakens and strengthens, Colossians 1:23; ἡ πίστις τοῦ εὐαγγελίου the faith given the gospel, Philippians 1:27; οἱ δεσμοί τοῦ εὐαγγελίου (see δεσμός, at the end), Philemon 1:13; ἕτερον εὐαγγέλιον of another sort, i. e. different from the true doctrine concerning Christian salvation, Galatians 1:6; 2 Corinthians 11:4; αἰώνιον εὐαγγέλιον, the contents of which were decreed by God from eternity, Revelation 14:6. with the genitive of the author; and that α. of the author of the subject-matter or facts on which the glad tidings of man's salvation rest, and who wished these glad tidings to be conveyed to men: τό εὐαγγέλιον τοῦ Θεοῦ, Romans 15:16; 2 Corinthians 11:7; 1 Thessalonians 2:2, 8; 1 Peter 4:17; more fully τοῦ Θεοῦ περί τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ, Romans 1:1-3. β. of the author of the particular mode in which the subject-matter of the gospel is understood (conception of the gospel) and taught to others; thus Paul calls his exposition of the gospel (and that of the teachers who agree with him), in opposition to that of those teaching differently, τό εὐαγγέλιον ἡμῶν: 2 Corinthians 4:3 (cf. τό εὐαγγέλιον τό εὐαγγελισθέν ὑπ' ἐμοῦ, Galatians 1:11); κατά τό εὐαγγέλιον μου, as I expound it, Romans 2:16; Romans 16:25; 2 Timothy 2:8. γ. of him who preaches the gospel: ἡμῶν, 1 Thessalonians 1:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:14. with the genitive of those to whom it is announced: τῆς περιτομῆς (i. e. τῶν περιτετμημενων), to be preached to the circumcised or Jews; and τό εὐαγγέλιον τῆς ἀκροβυστίας, to be carried to the Gentiles, Galatians 2:7.

b. As the Messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death, the narrative of the sayings, deeds, and death of Jesus Christ came to be called εὐαγγέλιον: so perhaps in Mark 1:1; for the passage may also mean, 'glad tidings concerning Jesus Christ began to be proclaimed even as it is written,' viz. by John the Baptist; cf. DeWette at the passage At length the name was given to a written narrative of the glad tidings; so in the titles of the Gospels, on which see κατά, II. 3 c. α. (On the ecclesiastical senses of the word, see Sophocles' Lexicon, under the word.)
 
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The fact the two of you agree lets me know I’m on the right course and my compass heading is correct. :)

Of course you believe your adopted religion is right Civic. In your own mind you are always right, and anyone who disagrees with you, even the Words of God Himself, is considered by you as wrong. The Pharisees were held prisoner by the same mindset.

Perhaps you might someday consider the words Inspired by the Spirit of Christ abiding in them, that were sent to us by the Jesus "of the bible".

Rom. 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that "ye present your bodies" a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable "unto God", which is (only) your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world, (or it's religions) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Not the will of Civic)

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think "of himself" more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

It's shouldn't be "Your Compass Heading" that guides you, and I would be a fool to allow your Compass Heading to guide me. Rather, as it is written from the very beginning in the Holy Scriptures God gave you "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works". That God's Compass Heading that Jesus walked perfectly, "which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them", should be our guide.

That is what I advocate Civic.
 
Of course you believe your adopted religion is right Civic. In your own mind you are always right, and anyone who disagrees with you, even the Words of God Himself, is considered by you as wrong. The Pharisees were held prisoner by the same mindset.

Perhaps you might someday consider the words Inspired by the Spirit of Christ abiding in them, that were sent to us by the Jesus "of the bible".

Rom. 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that "ye present your bodies" a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable "unto God", which is (only) your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world, (or it's religions) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Not the will of Civic)

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think "of himself" more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

It's shouldn't be "Your Compass Heading" that guides you, and I would be a fool to allow your Compass Heading to guide me. Rather, as it is written from the very beginning in the Holy Scriptures God gave you "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works". That God's Compass Heading that Jesus walked perfectly, "which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them", should be our guide.

That is what I advocate Civic.
projecting since Jesus agrees with me.
 
gospel can mean just good news and not the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ
Its only one Gospel friend, and Paul warns against so called others Gal 1:6-9

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
Its only one Gospel friend, and Paul warns against so called others Gal 1:6-9

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Yep only one that saves
 
It's all about Jesus! The gospel, then, is nothing but the preaching about Christ, Son of God and of David, true God and man, who by his death and resurrection has overcome for us the sin, death, and hell of all men who believe in him…
 
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