What is the Gospel

[Darby]

Exactly. Knowledge of salvation is what the Gospel is for. Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Just knowing about Jesus will not save you.

Luke 1:77 serves as a pivotal moment about John’s role in preparing the way for Jesus Christ, the Savior. It is a proclamation of the mission entrusted to John, emphasizing the importance of his ministry in paving the path for the coming of the Messiah.

“To give his people the knowledge of salvation” signifies John the Baptist’s mission to enlighten the people about the impending salvation through Jesus Christ. He was to prepare the hearts of the people by teaching them about repentance and the forgiveness of sins.

 

[Red Baker]

@brightfame52 @Darby @Tothalordbeallglory @Jim @civic @Studyman

Yes because we are saved before we receive the knowledge and assurance of it.

I would use the phrase "born again", since save/saved/salvation are used in different senses in the scriptures, this in my opinion, keeps from confusing the readers; also, it would serve to help them much better understanding what you are saying.

I agree one is born of the Spirit before "before" he/she receives the knowledge and the assurance of this spiritual birth, that occurs sometime after conception and before the death of our body~John the Baptist and the thief on the cross are two perfect examples of this birth by the Spirit~faith is nothing more than an evidence of the new birth, it is "not" the means or channel of the new birth, no more than is water baptism, which Jim thinks is necessary.

Faith comes to us by hearing and hearing by the word of God, yet only a man born of the Spirit first can hear, see, and understand. Some may never hear, yet could be born of God, or if they hear, are not capable of processing the information, (infants and feebleminded folks, and heathrens) yet still could be born of God, and if so, then they will inherit eternal life in the world to come, based on Jesus' faith and righteousness alone.

Dead and didn’t know it, born again and didn’t know it, just incredible and unbiblical

The gospel is the source of information to gives us this knowledge, which those that believe are given proof that they have been born of God. God has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save (practically speaking) that that believe (those who have been born of God)!

1st Corinthians 1:21​

“For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”

The gospel is the power of God ONLY to believers, to the lost it is pure foolishness!

Romans 1:16​

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”

One must first be born of God, before it becomes the power of God unto that person. The gospel can only be revealed from one that has faith, to another person that has faith!

Romans 1:17​

“For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”

Jesus clearly taught in John 3:16 that He will save anyone who believes in Him: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

This “whoever” includes you and every other person in the world.

Sir, once again, John 3:16 is not a conditional scripture, it is stating a biblical truth that believers have everlasting life and those that do not believe will perish in the lake of fire!

The Bible says that, if salvation were based on our own efforts, no one could be saved.

Amen, that's biblical and we agree 100%. So, why are you attempting to add your faith into the salvation from sin and condemnation as though man in the flesh can have faith without the new birth? You are contradicting yourself and do not even know that you are. That's called being blinded. No pun intended, just stating a fact. We all have been there in time past.

“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23

”We cannot save ourselves. Instead, we are saved when we believe in Jesus Christ.

Highlighted are mine for discussion.

You Sir, are contradicting yourself! So, are we copartner in our salvation from sin and condemnation or what? You tell me. Faith is an evidence of the new birth, not the cause thereof.

1st John 5:1​

“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.”

We do not deserve salvation; we simply receive it by faith.

Agreed~as far as we do not deserve the free gift of salvation.....so, where does faith come from? From our flesh/will, or is it freely given to us on the behalf of what Jessu secured for us by his faith and obedience? The scriptures is clear:

Philippians 1:28,29​

“And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God. For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;”

I INVITE US ALL to go back into the bible for ourselves and YOU SEE how the trues one
AS WELL AS JESUS HIMSELF did things .

Not only how Christ did certain things, but also what he taught.

Matthew 11:25-27​

“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.”

Do you believe and teach this truth?

"Seeking Justification" of an adopted religion.

Like you are doing!

Yes, the biblical declaration in John 3:16 is that believing in Jesus is the prerequisite for being given eternal life.

Jim, there will be people in the world to come that never heard of the name of Jesus Christ, yet if Christ died for them they shall inherit eternal life. Believing in Jesus Christ is indeed an evidence of eternal life, but by no means is it a requirement for eternal life. There are no exceptions, one must be born of the Spirit before they inherit eternal life. Infants, feebleminded folks, heathens , etc.

 

[Jim]

Jim, there will be people in the world to come that never heard of the name of Jesus Christ, yet if Christ died for them they shall inherit eternal life. Believing in Jesus Christ is indeed an evidence of eternal life, but by no means is it a requirement for eternal life. There are no exceptions, one must be born of the Spirit before they inherit eternal life. Infants, feebleminded folks, heathens , etc.

Your argument there is so anti-Gospel it is hard to even imagine that anyone reading the Bible could believe it. It is based entirely on the Augustine's heretical insertion of his false Manichaean philosophy into his Christian thinking.

You need to set aside your faith in Augustine and instead read and study the scriptures as they are written, not as Augustine interpreted them.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Your argument there is so anti-Gospel it is hard to even imagine that anyone reading the Bible could believe it. It is based entirely on the Augustine's heretical insertion of his false Manichaean philosophy into his Christian thinking.

You need to set aside your faith in Augustine and instead read and study the scriptures as they are written, not as Augustine interpreted them.

You are correct big time my friend .
For it pleased GOD that by preaching to save those who BELEIVE .
Only a very dark and sinistir spirit would point any to the idea that
UNBELEIF was okay .
you can hear its v oice at the tree in the garden when it too told eve SURELY ye shall not die .
As it tells many , SURELY they shall not perish IF they BELEIVE NOT .
But that aint what JESUS said .
YE shall DIE IN YOUR SINS , for if you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE then you SHALL DIE in your sins .
The v oice of the sepernt cometh as though it desires only good for man
but has always desired only their death .
JESUS came so that all WHO DO BELIEVE IN HIM would not perish BUT HAVE everlasting life .
WE , my friend , ARE STICKING TO THE TRUTH OF HIS GOSPEL . Onward in those trenches jim
and let us do as paul and silas did
when asked by a jailor , But sirs what MUST I DO to be SAVED .
BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST was their quick and fast answer .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Your argument there is so anti-Gospel it is hard to even imagine that anyone reading the Bible could believe it. It is based entirely on the Augustine's heretical insertion of his false Manichaean philosophy into his Christian thinking.

You need to set aside your faith in Augustine and instead read and study the scriptures as they are written, not as Augustine interpreted them.

and any message that is anti gospel , well now ITS ANTI CHRIST .
He who denies that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , He is anti christ .
SO you are SPOT ON RIGHT about mr bakers message being VERY ANTI GOSPEL .
And while i am sure he thinks its love
Let me assure us all that it is hate and not the love of GOD .
YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way correct him and NOT ALLOW sin upon him
YET mr bakers anti gospel ALLOWS UNBELEIF to remain upon them . Oh its not love or loving at all
It leads only to death and not to LIFE and LIFE ETNERAL .
SO we stick to the preaching of the glorious message of the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST
by which if a man do beleive he shall be saved .

 

[Marvelloustime]

You are correct big time my friend .
For it pleased GOD that by preaching to save those who BELEIVE .
Only a very dark and sinistir spirit would point any to the idea that
UNBELEIF was okay .
you can hear its v oice at the tree in the garden when it too told eve SURELY ye shall not die .
As it tells many , SURELY they shall not perish IF they BELEIVE NOT .
But that aint what JESUS said .
YE shall DIE IN YOUR SINS , for if you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE then you SHALL DIE in your sins .
The v oice of the sepernt cometh as though it desires only good for man
but has always desired only their death .
JESUS came so that all WHO DO BELIEVE IN HIM would not perish BUT HAVE everlasting life .
WE , my friend , ARE STICKING TO THE TRUTH OF HIS GOSPEL . Onward in those trenches jim
and let us do as paul and silas did
when asked by a jailor , But sirs what MUST I DO to be SAVED .
BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST was their quick and fast answer .

@Tothalordbeallglory

 

[Red Baker]

@brightfame52 @Darby @Tothalordbeallglory @Jim @civic @Studyman

You need to set aside your faith in Augustine and instead read and study the scriptures as they are written, not as Augustine interpreted them.

Jim, I have never read a sermon by Augustine of being born again, so, I truly do not know exactly what he believed concerning the new birth. Augustine of Hippo, did change his beliefs over the years, which is not a bad thing, for the Christian's life is a life of constant conversion in growing in truth and knowledge of the word of God. We all go by babes, to young men, to father's in the faith. 1st John 2: 12-14 at least we should.

and any message that is anti gospel , well now ITS ANTI CHRIST .
He who denies that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , He is anti christ .

It is not easy to decrypt your writings, to see exactly what you are trying to say. Is English your first language, maybe not.

Of course anti gospel is antichrist. But, who among the names listed above has the true understanding of the gospel of the grace of God? Jesus Christ secured eternal life for God's elect by his faith and obedience alone, do you believe this truth? Care to give a short understanding of what is the true grace of God?

1st Peter 5:12​

“By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.”

You never attempted to answer by question above:

Matthew 11:25-27​

“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.”

Do you believe and teach this truth?

Would you like to answer this.

YET mr bakers anti gospel ALLOWS UNBELEIF to remain upon them . Oh its not love or loving at all
It leads only to death and not to LIFE and LIFE ETNERAL .

Neither do I or you have the power to remove unbelief from the lost, only God can quicken men to life in Jesus Christ, no man can!

John 1:13​

“Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”

If I could, then I would. Do not say that I have an anti gospel without proving it, your words means nothing without you using the word of God and proving me wrong, which you do not even attempt to do, and I really do not think you are capable of doing so. All of your post are the same, if you read one, then you have read all of them.

Only a very dark and sinistir spirit would point any to the idea that
UNBELEIF was okay .

No one has even hinted at that, those who hear and reject the gospel will be damned.

Mark 16:16​

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”

But some have never heard, will they all be damned? You answer that for me.

 

[brightfame52]

Just knowing about Jesus will not save you.

Its much more than that.

Its evidence of eternal life Salvation Jn 17:3

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Its important to know Who saved you, so they can be given thanks to, and reciprocate their love they have loved you with and saved you.

 

[civic]

@brightfame52 @Darby @Tothalordbeallglory @Jim @civic @Studyman

Jim, I have never read a sermon by Augustine of being born again, so, I truly do not know exactly what he believed concerning the new birth. Augustine of Hippo, did change his beliefs over the years, which is not a bad thing, for the Christian's life is a life of constant conversion in growing in truth and knowledge of the word of God. We all go by babes, to young men, to father's in the faith. 1st John 2: 12-14 at least we should.

It is not easy to decrypt your writings, to see exactly what you are trying to say. Is English your first language, maybe not.

Of course anti gospel is antichrist. But, who among the names listed above has the true understanding of the gospel of the grace of God? Jesus Christ secured eternal life for God's elect by his faith and obedience alone, do you believe this truth? Care to give a short understanding of what is the true grace of God?

1st Peter 5:12​

“By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.”

You never attempted to answer by question above:

Would you like to answer this.

Neither do I or you have the power to remove unbelief from the lost, only God can quicken men to life in Jesus Christ, no man can!

John 1:13​

“Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”

If I could, then I would. Do not say that I have an anti gospel without proving it, your words means nothing without you using the word of God and proving me wrong, which you do not even attempt to do, and I really do not think you are capable of doing so. All of your post are the same, if you read one, then you have read all of them.

No one has even hinted at that, those who hear and reject the gospel will be damned.

Mark 16:16​

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”

But some have never heard, will they all be damned? You answer that for me.

Have you read any of the Reformers ?

 

[Jim]

@brightfame52 @Darby @Tothalordbeallglory @Jim @civic @Studyman

Jim, I have never read a sermon by Augustine of being born again, so, I truly do not know exactly what he believed concerning the new birth. Augustine of Hippo, did change his beliefs over the years, which is not a bad thing, for the Christian's life is a life of constant conversion in growing in truth and knowledge of the word of God.

@Red Baker
I am not accusing you of reading Augustine. Most Calvinists have never read anything by John Calvin. But what they believe is aligned closely with what Calvin taught and promoted. Clearly everything that Calvin taught was not wrong. But what he taught concerning soteriology was definitely false. It goes against so much of the message of the bible concerning God's plan of salvation. In fact, so much of it goes against God's own presentation of who and what He is.

For example, Calvinism would claim by comparison with the Calvinist presentation of God, that even though Hitler destroyed millions of Jews, if he purposely, for whatever reason, chose not to destroy even one Jew, he was magnanimously gracious and loving.

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”

But some have never heard, will they all be damned? You answer that for me.

@Red Baker
That is what Mark 16:16 says. Now the real issue here is what it means to be condemned, and that is a whole different course of study. We can at least say that it is not good by comparison with what it means to be saved. But then, if we are truthful, we don't really know what it means to be saved other than God's promise that it will be better than anything that we can even imagine. I think that is the reason that all descriptions of eternal life in heaven are presented in metaphor.

 

[brightfame52]

I would use the phrase "born again", since save/saved/salvation are used in different senses in the scriptures, this in my opinion, keeps from confusing the readers; also, it would serve to help them much better understanding what you are saying.

In some respects born again and saved are the same Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

He saved us by the renewing of the Holy Ghost and washing of regeneration. The word regeneration palingenesia:

new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better. The word often used to denote the restoration of a thing to its pristine state, its renovation, as a renewal or restoration of life after death

I agree one is born of the Spirit before "before" he/she receives the knowledge and the assurance of this spiritual birth, that occurs sometime after conception and before the death of our body~John the Baptist and the thief on the cross are two perfect examples of this birth by the Spirit~faith is nothing more than an evidence of the new birth, it is "not" the means or channel of the new birth, no more than is water baptism, which Jim thinks is necessary.

Agreed

Faith comes to us by hearing and hearing by the word of God, yet only a man born of the Spirit first can hear, see, and understand.

Agreed

Some may never hear, yet could be born of God, or if they hear, are not capable of processing the information, (infants and feebleminded folks, and heathrens) yet still could be born of God, and if so, then they will inherit eternal life in the world to come, based on Jesus' faith and righteousness alone.

I dont quite agree with all of this. I believe the born again will hear spiritually and understand spiritually, for God is able to cause that, even unto babes and mentally challenged, nevertheless its agreed that their salvation isnt contingent upon their understanding, but soley on Jesus obedience in their behalf Rom 5:19, Thanks for your insightful post

 

[Jim]

@brightfame52 @Darby @Tothalordbeallglory @Jim @civic @Studyman

Augustine of Hippo, did change his beliefs over the years, which is not a bad thing, for the Christian's life is a life of constant conversion in growing in truth and knowledge of the word of God. We all go by babes, to young men, to father's in the faith. 1st John 2: 12-14 at least we should.

I have misgivings about what I think you are saying there. I have no objection to the study of "the fathers in the faith" as a study of history. I do have serious concerns when we lean too heavily on that history. We are not to go by that history. Even in what John wrote in 1 John 2:12-14, he is not saying that we should go by such history. Rather, John is saying that he is writing so "that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ " (1 John 1:3). In other words, it is his writing, as an apostle of Jesus Christ, that we should go by; not "the fathers of the faith".

 

[civic]

I have misgivings about what I think you are saying there. I have no objection to the study of "the fathers in the faith" as a study of history. I do have serious concerns when we lean too heavily on that history. We are not to go by that history. Even in what John wrote in 1 John 2:12-14, he is not saying that we should go by such history. Rather, John is saying that he is writing so "that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ " (1 John 1:3). In other words, it is his writing, as an apostle of Jesus Christ, that we should go by; not "the fathers of the faith".

ditto

 

[Red Baker]

@civic

Have you read any of the Reformers ?

Yes, I also have read from Augustine, yet not what he believed concerning regeneration. I must step out for a while but I desire to come back and answer @Jim and @brightfame52

 

[civic]

@civic

Yes, I also have read from Augustine, yet not what he believed concerning regeneration. I must step out for a while but I desire to come back and answer @Jim and @brightfame52

The reformers all credit augustine with their core beliefs.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

@brightfame52 @Darby @Tothalordbeallglory @Jim @civic @Studyman

Jim, I have never read a sermon by Augustine of being born again, so, I truly do not know exactly what he believed concerning the new birth. Augustine of Hippo, did change his beliefs over the years, which is not a bad thing, for the Christian's life is a life of constant conversion in growing in truth and knowledge of the word of God. We all go by babes, to young men, to father's in the faith. 1st John 2: 12-14 at least we should.

It is not easy to decrypt your writings, to see exactly what you are trying to say. Is English your first language, maybe not.

Of course anti gospel is antichrist. But, who among the names listed above has the true understanding of the gospel of the grace of God? Jesus Christ secured eternal life for God's elect by his faith and obedience alone, do you believe this truth? Care to give a short understanding of what is the true grace of God?

1st Peter 5:12​

“By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.”

You never attempted to answer by question above:

Would you like to answer this.

Neither do I or you have the power to remove unbelief from the lost, only God can quicken men to life in Jesus Christ, no man can!

John 1:13​

“Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”

If I could, then I would. Do not say that I have an anti gospel without proving it, your words means nothing without you using the word of God and proving me wrong, which you do not even attempt to do, and I really do not think you are capable of doing so. All of your post are the same, if you read one, then you have read all of them.

No one has even hinted at that, those who hear and reject the gospel will be damned.

Mark 16:16​

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”

But some have never heard, will they all be damned? You answer that for me.

According to whom . JESUS made it clear he would NOT return till the GOSPEL had been preached
to the whole world .
I dont concern myself with inclusive lies of anti christ , nor make excuse .
Rather than preaching that which is of anti christ inclusivity
You would marvel at HOW MANY have heard the gospel and YET FLAT out rejected it
and clung to their hindu atheism , muslim and whatever else ism .
Its those who have heard and rejected and those who knew the truth and yet preached inclusivity
THAT I FEAR FOR BIG TIME .
you people, rather than preaching the ONLY NAME that can save with the reminder YE MUST BELEIVE
preach rather an ideology that give false hope .
AND then if any man dares to come and make sure The dire necessity of BELEIVING IN HIM
,
well people like you call that works . Do ya see the problem yet .
Ya bought a lie , a false comfort , that lets you off the hook and many others too
about having to REMIND FOLKS of the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE .
You know what you believe . You might not want to come out and say it
FOR FEAR YOU WOULD BE EXPOSED REAL FAST .
BUT i thinks we both know what you already beleive . And that it b e a lie . though you see it as the love of God .
May i advise you to , ONCE AGAIN , re turn to the pages of a holy book named and called the bible .
YOU SEE what they preached , YOU SEE the gravity in their words
and the upmost urgency of how they preached JESUS to all
THEY WASNT IN THE BUSINESS Of hugs and lets all find common ground for world peace and unity
THEY were not in the business of lets b reak down walls and building b ridges
NO SIR , THEY WAS Ab OUT GETTING the REAL g ospel out to all . WITH the dire reminder
of what cometh upon all who do reject IT . i suggest YOU DO the same as did they . not as did calvin
not as etc . YOU GO nose first into BIBLE and get real learned in them words . But do hurry
cause times running out .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

The reformers all credit augustine with their core beliefs.

never suckle from the inclusive ecumeincal teets of a harlot .
frankly i dont care if every reformer credited augustine , I AINT HEEDING THAT MESS .
though beleive me not all did .
May i suggest bible time for us all . For in them pages IS THE TRUTH
DIG FOR IT as a man who dug deep for a pearl and then found it and went and sold all he had
To buy that field .
Be hungry
Be on fire again for the TRUTH . And open bible and let us as small children
SIMPLY BELIEVE what is written .
OH THERE IS GREAT BEAUTY IN THIS . OH what clearing of the minds would occur
OH what exposing of falsehoods would have b een found .
IF ONLY
oh i say again
IF ONLY . but i do hope and pray for a return to the LOVE OF TRUTH upon the hearts .
In the mean time , LET us open bible , let us read bible again
and let us be as small children , b eing hungry for the truth . AND we shall learn for ourselves
b y the Grace of GOD ,what a number so high of false ones in christendom no longer teach . THE TRUTH .

 

[Red Baker]

According to whom . JESUS made it clear he would NOT return till the GOSPEL had been preached
to the whole world .
I dont concern myself with inclusive lies of anti christ , nor make excuse .
Rather than preaching that which is of anti christ inclusivity
You would marvel at HOW MANY have heard the gospel and YET FLAT out rejected it
and clung to their hindu atheism , muslim and whatever else ism .
Its those who have heard and rejected and those who knew the truth and yet preached inclusivity
THAT I FEAR FOR BIG TIME .
you people, rather than preaching the ONLY NAME that can save with the reminder YE MUST BELEIVE
preach rather an ideology that give false hope .
AND then if any man dares to come and make sure The dire necessity of BELEIVING IN HIM
,
well people like you call that works . Do ya see the problem yet .
Ya bought a lie , a false comfort , that lets you off the hook and many others too
about having to REMIND FOLKS of the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE .
You know what you believe . You might not want to come out and say it
FOR FEAR YOU WOULD BE EXPOSED REAL FAST .
BUT i thinks we both know what you already beleive . And that it b e a lie . though you see it as the love of God .
May i advise you to , ONCE AGAIN , re turn to the pages of a holy book named and called the bible .
YOU SEE what they preached , YOU SEE the gravity in their words
and the upmost urgency of how they preached JESUS to all
THEY WASNT IN THE BUSINESS Of hugs and lets all find common ground for world peace and unity
THEY were not in the business of lets b reak down walls and building b ridges
NO SIR , THEY WAS Ab OUT GETTING the REAL g ospel out to all . WITH the dire reminder
of what cometh upon all who do reject IT . i suggest YOU DO the same as did they . not as did calvin
not as etc . YOU GO nose first into BIBLE and get real learned in them words . But do hurry
cause times running out .

This is a mess, and for one to labor to see what you are attempting to say would use more energy than your post deserves. I think you talk just to be talking, trying to convince yourself that you are standing for the truth, when the truth is, you make no sense in your ranting spirit. You very seldom use scriptures in your vain attempt to expose whatever you are against, I'm not totally sure.

Your writing skills is pitiful, yet I could overlook that for truth if you would at least use scriptures and expound them either pro or con in what you are standing for or against.

 

[Studyman]

Your argument there is so anti-Gospel it is hard to even imagine that anyone reading the Bible could believe it. It is based entirely on the Augustine's heretical insertion of his false Manichaean philosophy into his Christian thinking.

You need to set aside your faith in Augustine and instead read and study the scriptures as they are written, not as Augustine interpreted them.

I expect we all have been influenced by the "many who have come in Christ's Name", as Jesus Prophesied, in the world God placed us in. I find that undeniable Biblical Truth fascinating. God placed Adam and Eve into a world in which other voices, who professed to know God, who even used carefully selected Words of God to convince Eve that God had lied to her. And here we are today, placed by the same God, into the same world, in which exists "many" voices that profess to know God, even selecting specific Scriptures said to be inspired By God, to convince us God lied to us. Surely there is nothing new under the sun.

I believe the answer you gave for this problem is spot on, and the answer shown to us over and over and over and over in Scriptures. Turn aside from all these "other voices" and read and study the scriptures, in belief, AKA FAITH, as that seems to be the key. I don't imagine a thief who reads the Bible every day, but keeps stealing from people, will benefit much from the reading. Jesus said it was the "Doers" of His Sayings that will endure in this world, not the hearers only.

In my experience, it was easy to see the unbiblical and ungodly philosophies adopted and promoted by others, such as the Philosophies promoted by the poster you replied to. But it was not so easy to accept and turn against the deceptions that had become lodged within my heart. Beliefs, traditions and philosophies I held precious, that I had adopted from the religions of this world surrounding me since my youth. I have come to understand that this is the propose of this journey we partake in, as we are being "unleavened". To allow the Light to expose these hidden darkness's in our heart, that the Light might destroy them.

That is why, in my understanding, seeking God's Righteousness, Seeking to know God's Truth, is the only worthy endeavor. As it is written: "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them "that diligently seek him."

But our flesh doesn't want God's Truth, because the flesh, man's love, man's desire "savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men".

The Flesh only seeks Justification. That is why we see a dozen different religious sects fighting and competing with one another for the sole purpose of "Justifying" their specific religion over another. Calvinists VS Armenians, Baptist VS Catholic, Armenians VS JW, JW VS SDA, Pharisees VS Sadducees. All professing to know God, most calling Jesus Lord, Lord, and all selecting specific scriptures to justify their specific religion, while omitting or judging as not relevant, any scripture that can't be used to justify their religious lifestyle.

And isn't the existence of the Gospel of Christ to teach us to be Holy, to be perfect, even as our Father in Heaven is perfect, to create a man in us that walks, even as Jesus walked? A man "created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them"? A man that is willing to "be renewed in the spirit of his mind, And that he put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Isn't this what Paul pressed towards, the mark for the prize of the high calling of God which is in Christ Jesus. and that for us therefore, as many as be perfect, to be thus minded"?

You are absolutely right Jim, men need to stop seeking to justify the philosophy of Jacobus Arminius or John Calvin or Wesley or White or Russell or Smith or the Pope or any of these other voices that exist in the world God placed us in. And Study God's Inspired Word in Faith instead. Didn't God already send us His teachers, the Holy Scriptures that are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."? If we refuses to be corrected, reproved or taught by God's Word doctrine, or submit ourselves to the Righteousness of God instead of adopting the this world's religions that have gone about instead, of establishing their own righteousness.

But these other voices preach NO! I've been told on this very forum that I cannot know Jesus unless I adopt a specific religious philosophy they have adopted, " then my eyes shall be opened, and I shall be as gods knowing good and evil."

I already seen this move, already been held captive by the same Yoke that has been snaring humans since the preacher in the garden convinced Eve God lied to her. But I have been freed from this bondage by the Sacrifice of the Lord's Christ.

Therefore I advocate that men Seek the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness, not justification of their adopted religion.

 

[Red Baker]

@brightfame52

In some respects born again and saved are the same Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

I agree with this ~ Yet the words save/saved/salvation are without question used in different senses in the scriptures and with this in mind, I think it is wise to used certain words to point out in what sense you are speaking of when we used those words. I may come back and go more in depth with this, it all depends on how much time I have to spare.